my pre-draft prediction for the broncos 2017 season.

[baphamet]

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ok then lets see

LOL except you did just judge ingram based on his sack totals alone and tried to argue that pressures are basically meaningless when you compared them to a hail marry pass lol you said pressures only have an effect on the outcome of a play 1 out of 1000 times

and here's just one of my responses to you showing what a liar you are



and another clearly showing you lying ..bolded



heres your post that started it all...begging us to look, only at pressures and ignore sacks and stuff


it was a PFF fantasy stat



you also made fun of me when i said we saw flashes of dominance from ingram

yes we did, and its still funny as hell...not as funny as when you insisted the spin move is rare and vintage or hardly ever seen today ...still cracks me up, why every game I watch I see a spin move and chuckle


rivers has never played at a mvp level...he gets good stats in some games and lots of junk yards in others...but when the game is on the line, mvp level qbs step up...rivers don't, he was 31st ranked 4th qrter qb last year


you ever think that part of the olines problems is rivers sloth like ability, the fact he caves under pressure, the fact that without his scat back safety valve he suffers?

so you deny making that hail mary reference when talking about pressures? you deny saying it has an effect 1 out of 1000 times?
and how in the hell is a pressure per snap stat a fantasy stat? LOL

it's a stat that shows how often a pass rusher applies pressure per snap, has nothing to do with fantasy.

it was a fantasy website and had a great article showing you the importance of not just looking at sack numbers like you always do yet deny. i mean right there in that quote you are accusing me of saying a pressure is more important than sack, never once have i ever said that.

so who is lying again? do you honestly think it's hilarious i proved you wrong about ingram after all those years of smacking on him? pff has him ranked 6th, hes 7th among LB'er in sacks the last two years......i said when healthy we have seen flashes of dominance and he has been really dominant.

be a man and admit you were wrong, being in denial about it just makes it more comical lol

as far as what i said about freeney teaching ingram how to spin, prepare to get owned......

“I talk to them about preparation,” he said. “About the things you need to do with your body, your diet, your mentality. You know that’s what I think a veteran should do: Help out the younger guys, so their journey is a lot easier than my journey or the ones that came before me. That’s what you do.”

And it’s not like Freeney’s secrets are staying in the Falcons locker room, either. He says he’ll teach his spin move to anybody who is interested, regardless of what team they play for. Von Miller, for instance, credits Freeney for his own spin move, which has gotten pretty nasty over the last few seasons.

http://www.atlantafalcons.com/news/b...5-3bd4daee203f

that article is a pretty good read, freeney did it for von miller, melvin ingram, and now beasley. you think you know so damn much but you don't know jack except how to look up sacks numbers and win loss records, ill teach you something bout this game one day boy!

[58_VONDOOM_92]

The only schedule in the NFL that matters:

New England Patriots 2017 regular season schedule

Thursday
Sep. 7 Chiefs Kansas City Chiefs Gillette Stadium, Foxborough, MA 8:30pm ET NBC

Sunday
Sep. 17 Saints at New Orleans Saints Mercedes-Benz Superdome, New Orleans, LA 1:00pm ET
CBS

Sunday
Sep. 24 Texans Houston Texans Gillette Stadium, Foxborough, MA 1:00pm ET
CBS

Sunday Oct. 1 Panthers Carolina Panthers Gillette Stadium, Foxborough, MA 1:00pm ET
FOX

Thursday Oct. 5 Buccaneers at Tampa Bay Buccaneers Raymond James Stadium, Tampa, FL 8:25pm ET
CBS/NFLN

Sunday Oct. 15 Jets at New York Jets MetLife Stadium, East Rutherford, NJ 1:00pm ET
CBS

Sunday Oct. 22 Falcons Atlanta Falcons Gillette Stadium, Foxborough, MA 8:30pm ET
NBC

Sunday Oct. 29 Chargers Los Angeles Chargers Gillette Stadium, Foxborough, MA 1:00pm ET
CBS

Sunday Nov. 5 BYE

Sunday Nov. 12 Broncos at Denver Broncos Sports Authority Field at Mile High, Denver, CO 8:30pm ET
NBC

Sunday Nov. 19 Raiders at Oakland Raiders Estadio Azteca, Mexico City, Mexico 4:25pm ET
CBS

Sunday Nov. 26 Dolphins Miami Dolphins Gillette Stadium, Foxborough, MA 1:00pm ET
CBS

Sunday Dec. 3 Bills at Buffalo Bills New Era Field, Orchard Park, NY 1:00pm ET
CBS

Monday Dec. 11 Dolphins at Miami Dolphins Hard Rock Stadium, Miami Gardens, FL 8:30pm ET
ESPN

Sunday Dec. 17 Steelers at Pittsburgh Steelers Heinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 4:25pm ET
CBS

Sunday Dec. 24 Bills Buffalo Bills Gillette Stadium, Foxborough, MA 1:00pm ET
CBS

Sunday Dec. 31 Jets New York Jets Gillette Stadium, Foxborough, MA 1:00pm ET
CBS

Super Bowl: Patriots vs. To be announced

You do realize you are posting that on a Broncos message board. We don't care about your cheating team schedule.

[hardwork]

The only schedule in the NFL that matters:

New England Patriots 2017 regular season schedule

Thursday
Sep. 7 Chiefs Kansas City Chiefs Gillette Stadium, Foxborough, MA 8:30pm ET NBC

Sunday
Sep. 17 Saints at New Orleans Saints Mercedes-Benz Superdome, New Orleans, LA 1:00pm ET
CBS

Sunday
Sep. 24 Texans Houston Texans Gillette Stadium, Foxborough, MA 1:00pm ET
CBS

Sunday Oct. 1 Panthers Carolina Panthers Gillette Stadium, Foxborough, MA 1:00pm ET
FOX

Thursday Oct. 5 Buccaneers at Tampa Bay Buccaneers Raymond James Stadium, Tampa, FL 8:25pm ET
CBS/NFLN

Sunday Oct. 15 Jets at New York Jets MetLife Stadium, East Rutherford, NJ 1:00pm ET
CBS

Sunday Oct. 22 Falcons Atlanta Falcons Gillette Stadium, Foxborough, MA 8:30pm ET
NBC

Sunday Oct. 29 Chargers Los Angeles Chargers Gillette Stadium, Foxborough, MA 1:00pm ET
CBS

Sunday Nov. 5 BYE

Sunday Nov. 12 Broncos at Denver Broncos Sports Authority Field at Mile High, Denver, CO 8:30pm ET
NBC

Sunday Nov. 19 Raiders at Oakland Raiders Estadio Azteca, Mexico City, Mexico 4:25pm ET
CBS

Sunday Nov. 26 Dolphins Miami Dolphins Gillette Stadium, Foxborough, MA 1:00pm ET
CBS

Sunday Dec. 3 Bills at Buffalo Bills New Era Field, Orchard Park, NY 1:00pm ET
CBS

Monday Dec. 11 Dolphins at Miami Dolphins Hard Rock Stadium, Miami Gardens, FL 8:30pm ET
ESPN

Sunday Dec. 17 Steelers at Pittsburgh Steelers Heinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 4:25pm ET
CBS

Sunday Dec. 24 Bills Buffalo Bills Gillette Stadium, Foxborough, MA 1:00pm ET
CBS

Sunday Dec. 31 Jets New York Jets Gillette Stadium, Foxborough, MA 1:00pm ET
CBS

Super Bowl: Patriots vs. To be announced

[Beagle]

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ok then lets see

LOL except you did just judge ingram based on his sack totals alone and tried to argue that pressures are basically meaningless when you compared them to a hail marry pass lol you said pressures only have an effect on the outcome of a play 1 out of 1000 times

and here's just one of my responses to you showing what a liar you are



and another clearly showing you lying ..bolded



heres your post that started it all...begging us to look, only at pressures and ignore sacks and stuff


it was a PFF fantasy stat



you also made fun of me when i said we saw flashes of dominance from ingram

yes we did, and its still funny as hell...not as funny as when you insisted the spin move is rare and vintage or hardly ever seen today ...still cracks me up, why every game I watch I see a spin move and chuckle


rivers has never played at a mvp level...he gets good stats in some games and lots of junk yards in others...but when the game is on the line, mvp level qbs step up...rivers don't, he was 31st ranked 4th qrter qb last year


you ever think that part of the olines problems is rivers sloth like ability, the fact he caves under pressure, the fact that without his scat back safety valve he suffers?

Barphs still trying to twist that old argument? Whats next that Nobody does the spin move anymore ...except Ingram that is..lol

[Beagle]

pre-draft predictions for the 2017 season:

The rest of the league should just draw straws to see who plays the Patriots in the SB and leave it at that.

So you assume you wont face the Broncos in the playoffs I am guessing? We all know what happens in that instance

[Beagle]

if the rumors are correct, you guys will get the chance to prove me wrong week 1. no excuses, both teams fresh and at full strength. i don't care if it's in pile high, i don't care what players get drafted.

as long as you have that same garbage at QB i feel pretty good about our chances.

Fell good all you want before the game.The Broncos will be dictating your mood after lol

[arapaho]

you have no answer for the arguments i am making so you just call it crying, how lazy of you.





LOL except you did just judge ingram based on his sack totals alone and tried to argue that pressures are basically meaningless when you compared them to a hail marry pass lol you said pressures only have an effect on the outcome of a play 1 out of 1000 times

you also made fun of me when i said we saw flashes of dominance from ingram and even to this day you are still trying to make those "flashes" comments yet i was right all along, that's whats so damn funny about all of this.


















that stat is also telling when you claim carr is so much better than rivers. carr is playing at a high level but carr has a top 5 OL, give that OL to rivers and he will pick most etams apart most weeks with ease.




again, arguably the worst OL in football over the last few years and rivers can and has played at an MVP level, it's pathetic i have to even mention that fact. really, rivers hasn't had a decent OL since 2013, the last time they made the playoffs.



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good one dude, all i have to say is never make an injury excuse ever again or this will get brought up and thrown in your face, i promise you. not that you have the guts to say anything in smack anymore, so i guess you are safe!

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ok then lets see

LOL except you did just judge ingram based on his sack totals alone and tried to argue that pressures are basically meaningless when you compared them to a hail marry pass lol you said pressures only have an effect on the outcome of a play 1 out of 1000 times

and here's just one of my responses to you showing what a liar you are

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...56#post4897156
it can also a hell of a lot of times result in a 1st down or a td ...just like melvins pressure tonight

heres the part you fail to grasp...a pressure...CAN CAUSE A LOSS OF DOWN OR AN INT, nobody here ever said it couldn't

but a sack can cause a loss of down too, lost yardage and a fumble....it can almost never without penalty result in a offensive td or first down
your insisting a pressure is better then a sack...it isn't.....UNLESS THE QB THROWS A PICK, AND A SACK DOESNT RESULT IN A FUMBLE

what was the signature turning point in the colts comeback...was it pressure....OR THE SACK THAT RESULTED IN A COLTS FUMBLE RECOVERY

I GAURANTEE there is more 1st downs or completed passes and or tds from qbs under pressure then there is ints

how many tds or 1st downs are there from sacks

and another clearly showing you lying ..bolded

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...09#post4897509
nobody ever said pressure is meaningless rod


what we have said waaaaaay too many times...is your putting waaaay to much credit to simple pressure and insisting its better then a sack to justify melvns rookie season.

furthermore...how can pressure be better then a sack? as you keep insisting

the best possible outcome is a errant throw picked off and taken back for six....how is that better then a sack, fumble recovery run back for the score...how?

given the two stats best circumstance...pressure int returned for 6 is is not better then a sack fumble returned for six
they are equal

factor in the rest...a sack the down is dead

a pressure, can still result in a completion, can be a 1st down, can be a TD


now shut the hell up and quit sniveling about pressure being better then a sack

heres your post that started it all...begging us to look, only at pressures and ignore sacks and stuff

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...56#post4728356
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...ure-frequency/

notice ingram is on the list of the most productive pass rushers in the league last year when you ignore the amount of snaps a player has, don't only look at sacks, and just look at the % of QB pressures per snap that he actually has.

let me know if you would like any more football education son

it was a PFF fantasy stat

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...31#post4889031
ohh so the ....almost sacks must be a sd stat....he almost had seven sacks lmao!!

rest of us put more impact on actual hits...tck f loss...tackles sacks.....

tell me...if barney "almost" gets there and makes a qb step up into pocket and throws a td pass...do you bolt fans record it as a almost td?

you also made fun of me when i said we saw flashes of dominance from ingram

yes we did, and its still funny as hell...not as funny as when you insisted the spin move is rare and vintage or hardly ever seen today ...still cracks me up, why every game I watch I see a spin move and chuckle


rivers has never played at a mvp level...he gets good stats in some games and lots of junk yards in others...but when the game is on the line, mvp level qbs step up...rivers don't, he was 31st ranked 4th qrter qb last year


you ever think that part of the olines problems is rivers sloth like ability, the fact he caves under pressure, the fact that without his scat back safety valve he suffers?

[Sam_Z]

pre-draft predictions for the 2017 season:

The rest of the league should just draw straws to see who plays the Patriots in the SB and leave it at that.

Why, what new cheater schemes do they have up their sleeve this time around?

[hardwork]

ya that's true...but perhaps when you are no longer a 12 year old attention whore, you can join these adult conversations...k

for now run along

pre-draft predictions for the 2017 season:

The rest of the league should just draw straws to see who plays the Patriots in the SB and leave it at that.

[Freyaka]

yes you are confused because you clearly don't know what the term means. not only that but it's hard to be well rounded when key players go down for the season every week.

Every team has injuries. Well rounded teams are setup to overcome them. Teams that are not well rounded do not. Every year we hear you beat the drum of the injury excuse, it's a weak and somewhat pathetic excuse. Injuries apparently only matter when it's the chargers facing them.

[baphamet]

if the rumors are correct, you guys will get the chance to prove me wrong week 1. no excuses, both teams fresh and at full strength. i don't care if it's in pile high, i don't care what players get drafted.

as long as you have that same garbage at QB i feel pretty good about our chances.

[baphamet]

lol...I see a lot of crying...as a man I find it hard to respond to your excessive sniveling about nobody respecting your team

but lets revisit...

you have no answer for the arguments i am making so you just call it crying, how lazy of you.

but I do follow the chargers, as well as the raiders and chiefs...I follow the offseason, I follow the draft and I follow the season, as well as watching every afc west game I can via league pass...every week

I don't formulate my opinions on just the win record, that's about as dumb as you insisting bronco fans only...ONLY judge pass rushers by sacks alone, when you tried to insist Melvin was top ten by pressures only. :thumb: and yes until the bolts can show themselves to be a playoff caliber team consistently...nobody including me will

LOL except you did just judge ingram based on his sack totals alone and tried to argue that pressures are basically meaningless when you compared them to a hail marry pass lol you said pressures only have an effect on the outcome of a play 1 out of 1000 times

you also made fun of me when i said we saw flashes of dominance from ingram and even to this day you are still trying to make those "flashes" comments yet i was right all along, that's whats so damn funny about all of this.

yes, they will have to prove they can stay healthy and be the team i know they can be, that same team i claimed they would be last year as well until key players started going down each week as well as the monumental choking that will likely never be repeated again in the history of the NFL by any team.

and I have responded to this more then one ...you never answer...why is that?
every team has injuries...good teams built right, with depth respond...suck teams go 4-12
you see the pats get killed with injuries...still successful...you see the broncos deal with multitudes of key players...still have success...bolts deal with injuries = 5-11 and a year long excuse

i have responded to this multiple times. no team has had injuries in the last 15-20 years at least like the chargers have had the last couple years and feel free to try and prove me wrong there if you like.

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...30#post5567930

you say you follow the chargers, you constantly make excuses when it's the broncos with injuries.....yet no team has been decimated like the chargers and nothing but crickets?

i realize it's smack but you need to be consistent and if you say you follow the chargers, then you would know the things i am saying are not outlandish at all, in fact i'm not the only one saying it.

same could be said for any team...if the broncos improved their oline that was worse than the bolts...their run game and offense would be greatly improved...your problem is you simply only apply that to your team...no one elses had problems that can be improved on...just the bolts

according to who your OL was worse? you? PFF has the chargers as the 31st ranked OL last season and the broncos ranked 24th. in fact, i believe the chargers OL is the only one to be ranked at 25 or bellow each of the last 3 seasons.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro...s-this-season/

that stat is also telling when you claim carr is so much better than rivers. carr is playing at a high level but carr has a top 5 OL, give that OL to rivers and he will pick most etams apart most weeks with ease.

no...the problem with rivers is hes good...NOT GREAT like manning and brady, he's not MVP caliber...then his biggest issue is
when the games on the line...rivers turns the ball over way to many times killing the drive and losing the game
https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/s...k-rating/2016/

rivers ranked 31st in 4th qrt rating which is a joke

again, arguably the worst OL in football over the last few years and rivers can and has played at an MVP level, it's pathetic i have to even mention that fact. really, rivers hasn't had a decent OL since 2013, the last time they made the playoffs.

same could be said for the broncos right...our run blocking was horrid...oh but only the bolts can use that right

better run blocking than the chargers and the chargers were still better running it until gordon went down and they were then down to their 5th RB....yes i said that right 5th.

yes the broncos didn't have a good OL either and improving it will help but had manning played behind that same OL last season, they likely get a much better grade because he gets the ball out a lot faster than the garbage you have now.

rivers does too but their OL is so bad it doesn't matter. on top of that their receivers were depleted as well so he couldn't really trust the receivers that much and there were a lot of tipped interceptions and interceptions thrown due to miscommunication.

yeah that happens to every team but it was especially bad last season and i think rivers being forced to always throw it quick due to the OL contributed to that a lot.

i just don't think you realize (more likely you ignore it) the amount of key guys that were missing. only rivers' TE's were sort of healthy last season, even then both gates and henry missed some time as well.

they were down to their 5th RB and their 4th and 5th WR....add that to having arguably the worst OL in football and you want to just ignore all that and say rivers isn't good enough?

good one dude, all i have to say is never make an injury excuse ever again or this will get brought up and thrown in your face, i promise you. not that you have the guts to say anything in smack anymore, so i guess you are safe!

[baphamet]

You weren't wrong saying your team was more well rounded than us? And yet we had 9 wins to your 5? I'm confused, your logic is as flawed as ever on this one baph.

yes you are confused because you clearly don't know what the term means. not only that but it's hard to be well rounded when key players go down for the season every week.

well rounded doesn't mean the best team or having the most wins. one dimensional teams have won SB's before (like your team did) and the most well rounded teams have been knocked out of the playoffs by them as well.

but as far as talent, the broncos are very one sided with the majority of their talent being on the defensive side of the ball while their offense is a total mess.

that is not a well rounded team, that a one dimensional team. the chargers have good players on both sides of the ball, their defense is up and coming and aside from OL the chargers have good players at every position on offense..... QB, RB, WR, TE

they have multiple good players at CB, DE/DL, LB and they have the 7th pick in the draft. that is a well rounded team but if you are ignorant and just want to look at last years win loss record and consider none of the actual details, that is your issue.

that said, i understand why you do that, because you know the broncos are trending down and elway needs a really good draft to compete with the rest of the teams in the division, that defense can't carry you forever and your defensive mastermind is long gone..

[arapaho]

pre-draft predictions for the 2017 season:

The rest of the league should just demand that asterisks be placed next to the Patriots record in the SB and leave it at that.

ya that's true...but perhaps when you are no longer a 12 year old attention whore, you can join these adult conversations...k

for now run along

[hardwork]

pre-draft predictions for the 2017 season:

The rest of the league should just draw straws to see who plays the Patriots in the SB and leave it at that.