my pre-draft prediction for the broncos 2017 season.

[arapaho]

you didn't respond to one thing i posted because you have no answer for it. again, if you think me calling you gutless for not having the guts to post your opinions here and just respond to my posts, then that is your issue. that isn't a personal attack by any stretch of the imagination, that is just an observation and an accurate one at that.

i call em as i see em and if it didn't bother you, why mention it? because it's funny that i called you out on your scared say nothing in smack unless it's in response to what baph says so it doesn't come back to haunt me smack tactics?



oh and last off season i said their off season moves were the best and that wasn't true? the only other team that you could argue had a better off season last season was Dallas.

the chargers acquired a lot of good players last season, both in FA and the draft and none of it was done writing big checks ala the elway method.

look at what Denver did? was i wrong....about anything? i was spot on accurate about the broncos off season and that they would be lucky to make the playoffs. seems i was giving them too much credit actually

lol...I see a lot of crying...as a man I find it hard to respond to your excessive sniveling about nobody respecting your team

but lets revisit...

anyways, i know nobody is scared of the chargers right now. that's because most people are like you and don't follow the chargers and just look at win loss records from last year and formulate an opinion on that alone. plus, until they can prove they can be that playoff caliber team, nobody should fear them.

but I do follow the chargers, as well as the raiders and chiefs...I follow the offseason, I follow the draft and I follow the season, as well as watching every afc west game I can via league pass...every week

I don't formulate my opinions on just the win record, that's about as dumb as you insisting bronco fans only...ONLY judge pass rushers by sacks alone, when you tried to insist Melvin was top ten by pressures only. :thumb: and yes until the bolts can show themselves to be a playoff caliber team consistently...nobody including me will

sure, if the chargers continue to be decimated with injuries and lose multiple key starers and loose them every week as well as continue to have arguably the worst OL in the NFL, yeah they will suck again.

and I have responded to this more then one ...you never answer...why is that?
every team has injuries...good teams built right, with depth respond...suck teams go 4-12
you see the pats get killed with injuries...still successful...you see the broncos deal with multitudes of key players...still have success...bolts deal with injuries = 5-11 and a year long excuse

ive said this already. but if they have better luck with injuries and improve along the OL, they will be a playoff contender due to the talent on that team across the board both offensively and defensively. you seem to think they don't have talent based solely on their win loss record and that's where the ignorance starts to show it's ugly face.

same could be said for any team...if the broncos improved their oline that was worse than the bolts...their run game and offense would be greatly improved...your problem is you simply only apply that to your team...no one elses had problems that can be improved on...just the bolts

you say rivers is a statue.....he always has been. tom brady is the same statue and arguably the best ever. so was peyton manning, a statue. the only problem with having a QB like that is he needs to get the ball pout quick, rivers does that. you also need at least decent protection, rivers does not have that and hasn't had that for a few years now.

no...the problem with rivers is hes good...NOT GREAT like manning and brady, he's not MVP caliber...then his biggest issue is
when the games on the line...rivers turns the ball over way to many times killing the drive and losing the game
https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/s...k-rating/2016/

rivers ranked 31st in 4th qrt rating which is a joke

not to mention the run blocking was bad too even though gordon was still effective when he was healthy. if all the chargers did was improve run and pass blocking and stayed a little more healthy, they are playoff contenders, simple as that.

same could be said for the broncos right...our run blocking was horrid...oh but only the bolts can use that right

[Freyaka]

show me, show me where i said they are the most well rounded team in the division. you are lying through your teeth like usual.

i said they are more well rounded than the broncos, i also said every single team in the division is more well rounded than the broncos.

was not wrong.

show me where i said they have the best offense in the division because i may have said that but i don't remember and i most definitely don't trust what you say because you lie a lot.

even if i did, it's a fact that they had a top 3 offense in the NFL in the first quarter of the season last year before losing guys for the season every week started taking its toll. they have the players to do it.

that's also considering how terrible their OL was. even a decent OL with a healthy keenean allen, melvin gordon, henry, gates, and a developing tyrell willaims......it can be a very potent offense.

smith is not better than rivers lol nobody believes that nonsense except you and the other haters here.

carr has been playing at a high level and has one of the best OL's in the league, give that OL to rivers and watch him pick your "no fly zone" apart.

your team is mediocre and lucky they didn't get swept by us. your team was one of the healthier teams in the NFL and still mediocre, imagine if you lose multiple key players on defense and offense like the chargers did?

can you say top 3 pick in the 2018 draft?

You weren't wrong saying your team was more well rounded than us? And yet we had 9 wins to your 5? I'm confused, your logic is as flawed as ever on this one baph.

[baphamet]

yes...when you take a post critical of your analysis...


and respond with personal smack...LOOK I DONT CARE IF YOU NEED TO GET PERSONAL...ITS FUNNY, IT GIVES ME NO PAIN....my point is your always crying around about the personal attacks is why you block everybody...and don't see the hypocrisy of your whine


and nobody is scared of the bolts cause they suck...the entire team is injury prone, they have a good qb...that typically crumbles in the 4th qrter with a chance to win
every year its and excuse on why...your the same every year...an excuse why you failed then

your offseason moves are the best, ours don't fix issues...your draft picks fill holes and improve...ours don't
same song and dance every year

you didn't respond to one thing i posted because you have no answer for it. again, if you think me calling you gutless for not having the guts to post your opinions here and just respond to my posts, then that is your issue. that isn't a personal attack by any stretch of the imagination, that is just an observation and an accurate one at that.

i call em as i see em and if it didn't bother you, why mention it? because it's funny that i called you out on your scared say nothing in smack unless it's in response to what baph says so it doesn't come back to haunt me smack tactics?

oh and last off season i said their off season moves were the best and that wasn't true? the only other team that you could argue had a better off season last season was Dallas.

the chargers acquired a lot of good players last season, both in FA and the draft and none of it was done writing big checks ala the elway method.

look at what Denver did? was i wrong....about anything? i was spot on accurate about the broncos off season and that they would be lucky to make the playoffs. seems i was giving them too much credit actually

[arapaho]

you call that a personal attack? because i called you gutless for never posting your opinions and only reacting to mine? yet you go on to call me a fool directly and that's not a personal attack?

anyways, i know nobody is scared of the chargers right now. that's because most people are like you and don't follow the chargers and just look at win loss records from last year and formulate an opinion on that alone. plus, until they can prove they can be that playoff caliber team, nobody should fear them.

sure, if the chargers continue to be decimated with injuries and lose multiple key starers and loose them every week as well as continue to have arguably the worst OL in the NFL, yeah they will suck again.

ive said this already. but if they have better luck with injuries and improve along the OL, they will be a playoff contender due to the talent on that team across the board both offensively and defensively. you seem to think they don't have talent based solely on their win loss record and that's where the ignorance starts to show it's ugly face.

you say rivers is a statue.....he always has been. tom brady is the same statue and arguably the best ever. so was peyton manning, a statue. the only problem with having a QB like that is he needs to get the ball pout quick, rivers does that. you also need at least decent protection, rivers does not have that and hasn't had that for a few years now.

not to mention the run blocking was bad too even though gordon was still effective when he was healthy. if all the chargers did was improve run and pass blocking and stayed a little more healthy, they are playoff contenders, simple as that.

yes...when you take a post critical of your analysis...

knock yourself out..research

it doesn't take away from the fact you do this same dog and pony show every season...and FAIL

then cherry pick one or two issues that you slopped out on...then toot your horn all year

ignoring how suck your team is, and how wrong you typically are

and respond with personal smack...LOOK I DONT CARE IF YOU NEED TO GET PERSONAL...ITS FUNNY, IT GIVES ME NO PAIN....my point is your always crying around about the personal attacks is why you block everybody...and don't see the hypocrisy of your whine


and nobody is scared of the bolts cause they suck...the entire team is injury prone, they have a good qb...that typically crumbles in the 4th qrter with a chance to win
every year its and excuse on why...your the same every year...an excuse why you failed then

your offseason moves are the best, ours don't fix issues...your draft picks fill holes and improve...ours don't
same song and dance every year

[baphamet]

1 yes you did and were wrong

2 yes you did and were wrong

3 Carr and Smith are better said it myself last year and was right you were wrong. How many turnovers to lose/end games does Rivers have to have in one season before you see that he is the problem

4 the Chargers were lucky to get us on a short week with out our HC or they wouldn't have gotten a win so no they couldn't and didn't sweep us you were wrong again and I never said any of that crap you claim I did

show me, show me where i said they are the most well rounded team in the division. you are lying through your teeth like usual.

i said they are more well rounded than the broncos, i also said every single team in the division is more well rounded than the broncos.

was not wrong.

show me where i said they have the best offense in the division because i may have said that but i don't remember and i most definitely don't trust what you say because you lie a lot.

even if i did, it's a fact that they had a top 3 offense in the NFL in the first quarter of the season last year before losing guys for the season every week started taking its toll. they have the players to do it.

that's also considering how terrible their OL was. even a decent OL with a healthy keenean allen, melvin gordon, henry, gates, and a developing tyrell willaims......it can be a very potent offense.

smith is not better than rivers lol nobody believes that nonsense except you and the other haters here.

carr has been playing at a high level and has one of the best OL's in the league, give that OL to rivers and watch him pick your "no fly zone" apart.

your team is mediocre and lucky they didn't get swept by us. your team was one of the healthier teams in the NFL and still mediocre, imagine if you lose multiple key players on defense and offense like the chargers did?

can you say top 3 pick in the 2018 draft?

[baphamet]

And how much ya wanna bet they don't sell out this glorified 30,000 seat High School Stadium?

http://www.sbnation.com/2017/1/12/14...ego-relocation

i don't usually bet but name your price, that's a bet i cannot lose. there are going to be very few single game tickets available and the season tickets are sold out. that's also considering the tickets will be very expensive as well but it won't matter.

[baphamet]

Barph:
don't believe i said they have the best offense in the division either but i may have said that. i think they could definitely considering when healthy they were top 3 in the NFL early last year.

Huh?
Are you drinking? Sparklers are the red headed step child, and embarrassment for the AFC WEST, and should be in the AFC SOUTH, with all the other mediocre teams going 5-11 or at best 6-10 to make the PO.
Just B/c some team must represent. And not b/c they have a winning record.
Then you really go off your rocker saying the sparklers are going to beat the P*ts.
Take some advice, Drinking/ smoking while trying to talk smack about your worthless team is not a good look for you or your pathetic peewee team. lol

why are you confused? what i said is a factual statement that cannot be argued. the chargers indeed had a top 3 offense in the NFL early last season, they were #2 for quite a while...like the first 4 or 5 weeks. but when you lose a player for the season every single week starting week 1, it starts to take it's toll and take it fast.

also, maybe you should try and read before responding. no i didn't say they would beat the pats, learn to read. go back and ask your mommy to read to you what i posted again real slow and come back and talk to me.

[baphamet]

and theres the open personal attack bappy cried so much about

aint nobody scared of your team fool...it is what it is...a underwhelming 4-12 5-11 team
with a statue qb that sucks in the forth qrt when he needs to shine, a interception mahine

you can make every excuse you want...your team sucked last year...they sucked the year before...and more the likely will suck again

you call that a personal attack? because i called you gutless for never posting your opinions and only reacting to mine? yet you go on to call me a fool directly and that's not a personal attack?

anyways, i know nobody is scared of the chargers right now. that's because most people are like you and don't follow the chargers and just look at win loss records from last year and formulate an opinion on that alone. plus, until they can prove they can be that playoff caliber team, nobody should fear them.

sure, if the chargers continue to be decimated with injuries and lose multiple key starers and loose them every week as well as continue to have arguably the worst OL in the NFL, yeah they will suck again.

ive said this already. but if they have better luck with injuries and improve along the OL, they will be a playoff contender due to the talent on that team across the board both offensively and defensively. you seem to think they don't have talent based solely on their win loss record and that's where the ignorance starts to show it's ugly face.

you say rivers is a statue.....he always has been. tom brady is the same statue and arguably the best ever. so was peyton manning, a statue. the only problem with having a QB like that is he needs to get the ball pout quick, rivers does that. you also need at least decent protection, rivers does not have that and hasn't had that for a few years now.

not to mention the run blocking was bad too even though gordon was still effective when he was healthy. if all the chargers did was improve run and pass blocking and stayed a little more healthy, they are playoff contenders, simple as that.

[baphamet]

Where did I say anything about a day 1 starting LT getting drafted. Elway is confident that it will be addressed, therefor so am I. I know it's an odd concept having faith in your front office since yours is far from reliable, but I trust Elway.

We've got a lot of picks to work with this year thanks to comp picks and the fact that this year, those are tradable. Yes I think we can get McCaffrey and find someone capable of starting for us.

McCaffrey will also be a big help because he will be a good safety valve for our QB's and help to make the defense think twice about how they defend him.

#1 McCaffrey won't be there at 20 so you will have to trade up to get him.

#2 there isn't a starting quality tackle in this draft that will make it past 20 or 25 either.

you claimed that the broncos would draft McCaffrey and fill their need at LT via the draft. that is the claims you are making, not elway. i think it's much more likely the broncos address that LT position with their #20 pick and then get a back in the 2nd or 3rd round due to the fact that RB is deep in this class.

i get why you guys want McCaffrey but i don't think you are being realistic if you think your team can land both him and fill your starting LT need, but that isn't anything new, is it?

you can daft a guy to possibly groom but you will still have a huge hole at LT.

[Axemaster]

And how much ya wanna bet they don't sell out this glorified 30,000 seat High School Stadium?

http://www.sbnation.com/2017/1/12/14...ego-relocation

[Axemaster]

there is a rumor going around that for some reason the chargers are the favorites to play the patriots on opening night. i really hope that happens because it would do wonders for the chargers momentum in LA to go on the road and possibly beat the pats on a big stage.

the chargers will be at full strength and rivers would absolutely be jacked to play well in a game like that. they played the seahawks in a game like that right after they destroyed the broncos in the SB the year before and they embarrassed the seahawks.

i think it would be an entertaining and competitive game at the very least, even if the pats do win it.

I would LIKE to see this happen for sure! Doubtful though.

[Axemaster]

the broncos will be in last place in the division and have a top 10 pick in the 2018 draft.

the broncos need a real QB, a rebuilt OL, a good RB, a good pass catching TE, your two best players on offense (sanders and Thomas) are both approaching 30 years old. there isn't a lot of bright spots offensively for the broncos.

defensively, i'm sure they will still be pretty good. top 10 i'm sure but yet another step back and really not capable of carrying an offense anymore without their defensive mastermind and that's assuming they stay pretty dang healthy like they were last season.

if the broncos lose some key players on defense to injury, it could get ugly for them......like top 3 pick in the 2018 draft ugly.


this place got boring fast now that the broncos are a mediocre team, so i figure i will liven the place up a little bit.

you can thank me later.

OMG! I have been gone to long Sat uhhh I mean Barphie! I thought about you and came on here cause I was watching the Husker Spring game, who by the way I think will finish 8-4.

The Broncos have already improved their O line, D line, RB will be better, QB will have another year under his belt so he will be better. I think a 10 win season will be possible. UNFORTUNATLY that still might be only good for third, cause Oakland and KC will be better too. Your Charred Girls will still be cellar dwellers, still be sub 500, and will play in the BIGGEST LAUGHING STOCK OF A STADIUM IN NFL HISTORY!!!!!!!!! LMFAO! Barphy, you want to put a WAGER on this one? Your terms, your stakes, whatever YOU want! Have the Balls? Go Huskers.

[hawaiiiancrush]

Barph:
don't believe i said they have the best offense in the division either but i may have said that. i think they could definitely considering when healthy they were top 3 in the NFL early last year.

Huh?
Are you drinking? Sparklers are the red headed step child, and embarrassment for the AFC WEST, and should be in the AFC SOUTH, with all the other mediocre teams going 5-11 or at best 6-10 to make the PO.
Just B/c some team must represent. And not b/c they have a winning record.
Then you really go off your rocker saying the sparklers are going to beat the P*ts.
Take some advice, Drinking/ smoking while trying to talk smack about your worthless team is not a good look for you or your pathetic peewee team. lol

[Beagle]

1. never said the chargers are the most well rounded team in the division, that's a lie of course.

2. don't believe i said they have the best offense in the division either but i may have said that. i think they could definitely considering when healthy they were top 3 in the NFL early last year.

3. i still think they have the best QB but carr has been playing at a high level and has one of the best OL's in the league, that is something you donko fans either are obvious to or straight up ignore.

4. the chargers could have swept your mediocre team, it's not like you all didn't say the chargers would get swept again before the seaon started and thought your team was going to the SB again

1 yes you did and were wrong

2 yes you did and were wrong

3 Carr and Smith are better said it myself last year and was right you were wrong. How many turnovers to lose/end games does Rivers have to have in one season before you see that he is the problem

4 the Chargers were lucky to get us on a short week with out our HC or they wouldn't have gotten a win so no they couldn't and didn't sweep us you were wrong again and I never said any of that crap you claim I did

[arapaho]

you think you can do better with your predictions aapaho? maybe if you were not gutless and actually posted your opinions we could debate that.

everything i have said the past few years still holds true today, that's why i keep saying it. the only thing i have been straight up wrong about when it comes to the personnel on the chargers is their OL.

you think the chargers are a team full of bad players and that's why they suck. if they can figure out how to stay healthy this season, boy are you clowns going to be in for a rude awakening.

especially if the chargers hit jackpot in the draft again like they did last season.

and theres the open personal attack bappy cried so much about

aint nobody scared of your team fool...it is what it is...a underwhelming 4-12 5-11 team
with a statue qb that sucks in the forth qrt when he needs to shine, a interception mahine

you can make every excuse you want...your team sucked last year...they sucked the year before...and more the likely will suck again