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  • Sam_Z
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    Originally posted by Mainrnxile View Post
    In Denver's case, I'd argue your statement should be: "9-7 WITH a first year QB isn't bad" - and I have no argument with that theory. But let's face it, Denver's D carried the team.

    Siemian/Lynch weren't good last year. I think their play will improve with more experience throughout the season, thus the reason for my original post.
    Siemian had multiple 300 yard games while playing with a broken collar bone. Not to mention a non existent offensive line in front of him.

    He's going to be better than you realize coming out the gate.

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  • Mainrnxile
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    Originally posted by 58_VONDOOM_92 View Post
    9-7 for a first year qb isn't bad.
    In Denver's case, I'd argue your statement should be: "9-7 WITH a first year QB isn't bad" - and I have no argument with that theory. But let's face it, Denver's D carried the team.

    Siemian/Lynch weren't good last year. I think their play will improve with more experience throughout the season, thus the reason for my original post.

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  • 58_VONDOOM_92
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    Originally posted by Mainrnxile View Post
    Because neither Lynch or Simien are very good and both are very young
    9-7 for a first year qb isn't bad.

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  • Mainrnxile
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    Originally posted by Sam_Z View Post
    Now why will it be a "major impediment early on"?
    Because neither Lynch or Simien are very good and both are very young

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  • Sam_Z
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    Originally posted by Mainrnxile View Post
    Even playing in Denver, I expect LAC to win the season opener. Denver QB play will improve through the year, but will be a major impediment early on.
    Now why will it be a "major impediment early on"?

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  • Mainrnxile
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    Even playing in Denver, I expect LAC to win the season opener. Denver QB play will improve through the year, but will be a major impediment early on.

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  • baphamet
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    The Chargers won just five games last season but ran into some bad luck early and couldn't recover in the league's strongest division. Based on Pythagorean wins, Football Outsiders concluded they played more like an 8-8 team, which makes sense when you consider that—per the same source—nobody in the AFC was hit as hard as the Chargers were by injuries.

    The law of averages alone indicates they might have had a shot at nine or 10 wins without lifting a finger in the 2017 offseason. But instead, they've gone all-in on offense in support of veteran quarterback Philip Rivers.

    They paid big bucks last month for veteran left tackle Russell Okung, and then they spent their first three draft picks on Mike Williams (the most complete receiver in the class), Forrest Lamp (quite possibly the best offensive lineman this year) and Dan Feeney (another guard with superb pass-protection skills).

    The defense was already in pretty good shape with Joey Bosa and Melvin Ingram up front and Casey Hayward and Jason Verrett on the back end, but now look at how complete that offense is: Rivers, Melvin Gordon, Keenan Allen, Antonio Gates, Hunter Henry, Mike Williams, Tyrell Williams, Okung, Lamp, Joe Barksdale and Orlando Franklin.

    If the majority of those guys can stay healthy, the Chargers might make the playoffs in their first year in Los Angeles.
    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...fter-the-draft

    just an opinion but unbiased and pretty much what i am saying in a less homer way.

    the underlined is why i said similar things last year to what i am saying this year because he is right. if the chargers changed nothing and just kept all the same players and got them healthy and stayed mostly healthy that would be a playoff contender.

    but they have bolstered the offense in every way possible except at RB where they have gordon who has developed into an every down back if need be after losing woodhead.

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  • baphamet
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    Originally posted by arapaho View Post
    sniff sniff...why im almost in tears over baps sad injury excuse...i mean if we didnt hear it played over and over for years it might actually get a tear out

    But then...good teams overcome...bad teams go 4-12

    So...its not sad, just a overplayed pathetic excuse
    just like usual, you have no answer for any of the points i just made. that's not the first time someone tried to compare the injuries of the 2013 broncos to the chargers last season, not even in the same ballpark in comparison.

    actually, i dare anyone to find me a team that has sent more guys to IR in a two year span than the chargers have in the last two years, go back 20 or 30 years if you like.

    good luck! and week 1 when the chargers will be healthy, you're going to need a lot of luck.

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  • arapaho
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    sniff sniff...why im almost in tears over baps sad injury excuse...i mean if we didnt hear it played over and over for years it might actually get a tear out

    But then...good teams overcome...bad teams go 4-12

    So...its not sad, just a overplayed pathetic excuse

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  • baphamet
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    Originally posted by 58_VONDOOM_92 View Post
    That star power got you real far last year. Just saying.... and don't mention injuries. 2013 the Broncos lost like 7 starters on D and there all pro LT and still made it to the super bowl. Great teams overcome injuries.
    they didn't have all that "star power" last year though. they lost a key player for the season every week for 9 out of the first 11 weeks of the season.

    they lost both danny woodhead and keenan allen in the first two weeks of the season. yes they were good offensively early, that's why they were jumping all over teams only to choke those leads away.

    you don't have multiple 2 and 3 score choke jobs in the 4th quarter by not being able to score points. by the end of the season that team was a shadow of it's former self, a completely different team.

    not to mention having arguably the worst OL in football........ ive said all these things countless times.

    also, the broncos didn't have half the guys on IR in 2013 that the chargers had last season, less than half. the chargers had normal week to week injuries as well but they also had enough guys on IR to fill an offense and defense.

    not only that but that 2013 team was an offensive powerhouse, of course they were able to withstand injuries on the defensive side of the ball.

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  • 58_VONDOOM_92
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    Originally posted by baphamet View Post
    if i'm so wrong, tell me who is better? i said you could argue the giants.....maybe you could argue the bucs moving forward as well. maybe the raiders now that they have lynch?

    i simply don't see a team that has a veteran probowl QB, 3 play making receivers (one unproven but a top 10 pick), 2 play making TE's, and a play making probowl level RB.

    all you can do is talk about how they are made of glass and the OL but other than that the talent is absolutely there among the best talent in the league in terms of offensive weapons.

    the main thing is that OL, the raiders have the OL and the chargers do not.....yet.
    That star power got you real far last year. Just saying.... and don't mention injuries. 2013 the Broncos lost like 7 starters on D and there all pro LT and still made it to the super bowl. Great teams overcome injuries.

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  • baphamet
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    Originally posted by arapaho View Post
    So once again this 4-12 5-11 team has the greatest offensive talent in the league

    Lmao!!!
    if i'm so wrong, tell me who is better? i said you could argue the giants.....maybe you could argue the bucs moving forward as well. maybe the raiders now that they have lynch?

    i simply don't see a team that has a veteran probowl QB, 3 play making receivers (one unproven but a top 10 pick), 2 play making TE's, and a play making probowl level RB.

    all you can do is talk about how they are made of glass and the OL but other than that the talent is absolutely there among the best talent in the league in terms of offensive weapons.

    the main thing is that OL, the raiders have the OL and the chargers do not.....yet.

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  • arapaho
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    So once again this 4-12 5-11 team has the greatest offensive talent in the league

    Lmao!!!

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  • baphamet
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    Originally posted by Beagle View Post
    It must be the off season BaRph is optimistic again

    No you have not been saying this "all offseason" You been saying it in one form or another since 2010.. Eventually you might be right but coming off 2 double digit loss seasons I think I will just LOL

    So you got new Head coach NOBODY else would hire. You have the same OC and DC and the same injury prone roster of (in your mind). superstars


    Nope we dont have the team that held Brady and the Pats to the worst out put offensively they had all season we have all that minus a sub par defensive NT plus his 2 better replacements.. The No Fly Zone is still in full effect.
    you really shouldn't be talking about the chargers at all if you are this clueless. first of all, the chargers have a new DC gus bradley with a bunch of new coaches.

    the offensive scheme is the same yes and it didn't need to change. i'm saying the same things today as i said last year because it still holds true today.

    if it's only in my mind, name another team that has more offensive weaponry currently than the chargers. i can think of only one that can be argued and that's the giants.

    now, go look at the team from last year at the end of the season and compare......

    i know you won't do it because you will not like what you find. just pray that the chargers choke away multiple games and are injured more than any other team with a terrible OL again (they have 3 new potential starters along the OL), it's your only hope.

    otherwise they are very much in the mix for the division, unlike the broncos who have more work to do IMO

    oh and the broncos defense lost it's defensive mastermind, the guy that took them from being a good defense to elite. just like i said last year, your defense is about to take yet another step back but will probably still be good.

    good enough to carry that mess of an offense? maybe to 6 or 7 wins at best...

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  • Beagle
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    Originally posted by baphamet View Post
    there is no other team like brady and the pats, is there? not one. you also don't have that team anymore, your current team is mediocre and not a playoff caliber team IMO

    at least not in this division. this year its going to be about the raiders and chargers, possibly the chiefs in the mix depending on if they just scrap your boy alex smith and go with the rookie first rounder lol

    you also missed the point, of course they can't have all those guys on the field at once, i was just listing all the weapons they have and there are a lot.

    tell me, what other team has better offensive weapons that that? the giants maybe? oh and the chargers have a relentless pass rush now as well, expect rivers is great at getting the ball out fast if he actually has guys he can trust to throw the ball to and they just added three new offensive lineman as well as a WR that rivers can just chuck it up to.

    the chargers will have a top 5 offense and a top 10-15 defense, they are playoff bound unless they have another monumental choking season along with sending a key guy to IR every single week last like season.

    been saying this all off season, get ready to get smoked week 1
    It must be the off season BaRph is optimistic again

    No you have not been saying this "all offseason" You been saying it in one form or another since 2010.. Eventually you might be right but coming off 2 double digit loss seasons I think I will just LOL

    So you got new Head coach NOBODY else would hire. You have the same OC and DC and the same injury prone roster of (in your mind). superstars


    Nope we dont have the team that held Brady and the Pats to the worst out put offensively they had all season we have all that minus a sub par defensive NT plus his 2 better replacements.. The No Fly Zone is still in full effect.


    This is a tough 3 team division and we know whos team is always hurt..the not so tough one
    Last edited by Beagle; 04-28-2017, 09:30 PM.

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