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  • #16
    Originally posted by Timmy the Tank View Post
    novembre and decembr dont matter to you guys becuase youl fail in this stretch and mis the playeoffs
    Fall, winter and spring didn't seem to matter to you since it appears you learned nothing during those seasons in school.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Sam_Z View Post
      I didn't say he was Von Miller but he was a better pass rusher than anybody you have now. Now Don't attempt to put words in my mouth.

      By the way how is it that you ignore the entire post and you try to find something any little thing that you think might work for you by going out and saying something extremely stupid like "derrr Chandler Jones is not Von Miller".
      Yaa I think we all know that captain obvious
      just because a player is “better than anyone you have now” is not justification for keeping him around if he’s asking too much money. my point about jones not being von miller was simply to point out he’s not the caliber player that you would pay an exorbitant amount of money to. von miller is. chandler jones signed a mega deal and has cap hits of $15.5 million to $19 million from 2018 to 2020. he’s not worth it.

      besides we got by without chandler jones. he isn’t the problem with the pass rush. not having jabaal sheard, chris long and rob ninkovitch is.
      Super Bowl Wins: Brady - 6 Elway - 2 Manning - 2 (played well in none and took HGH)

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      • #18
        Originally posted by TommyBrady12 View Post
        just because a player is “better than anyone you have now” is not justification for keeping him around if he’s asking too much money. my point about jones not being von miller was simply to point out he’s not the caliber player that you would pay an exorbitant amount of money to. von miller is. chandler jones signed a mega deal and has cap hits of $15.5 million to $19 million from 2018 to 2020. he’s not worth it.

        besides we got by without chandler jones. he isn’t the problem with the pass rush. not having jabaal sheard, chris long and rob ninkovitch is.
        Uh I'm sure he could have made a difference. Even the slightest bit but perhaps we should talk about your current roster and move our attention to your offensive line.

        What the hell is going on with the boys upfront? You know Brady was sacked 15 times throughout the 2016 season however this season your o-line has already given up 13 sacks in the first 4 weeks.

        It's not just the pansy D that stinks!
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        Last edited by Sam_Z; 10-03-2017, 11:49 AM.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by TommyBrady12 View Post
          Here is my take. Bill and Patricia do not like to bring the heat when facing running QBs like Smith, Watson and Newton. They often play contain against these QBs, which is why NE did a lot better against the Saints. Playing contain puts a lot of burden on your secondary. The secondary has to do its job for this strategy to work. If DBs are getting confused as to who should cover whom, it will result in disaster. For example, if it weren’t for the blown coverages against Carolina, Newton throws for 200 yards. The good news going forward is NE only faces two more running QBs in Winston and Tyrod Taylor.
          Here is my take. The Patriots got out to a big lead early making defense easy vs the Saints. If Newton didnt suck he would have had 600 yards and 7 TDs. He missed 7 guys in the game streaking down the field uncovered deep all alone

          The Patriots defense doesn't just stink they are Historically stinky
          317th out of 320 units over the past 10 seasons
          Originally posted by baphamet
          are you talking career or right now? because i don't see how you can say manning is top 5 even healthy.dude will never be a top 5 QB again, he is done.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Mainrnxile View Post
            Don't know the root cause - personnel, schemes or coaching. But I recognize the end result - hot garbage from the Pats D. Very frustrating to watch.
            A realistic assessment
            Originally posted by baphamet
            are you talking career or right now? because i don't see how you can say manning is top 5 even healthy.dude will never be a top 5 QB again, he is done.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by TommyBrady12 View Post
              I don’t think Bill meant it as a slight against Wade. Denver also has the personnel to knock Newton around. NE doesn’t have Von Miller. I think Bill sometimes is too afraid of the running QB, but he does have a point. Look at what Alex Smith did against Washington last night. If smith were a stationary QB, washington wins.
              Smith was stationary vs Your team and he put up more yards and TDs than he did vs the Skins



              sCam had 44 yards rushing and the rookie had 41


              Smith didnt run because he didnt have too not because you played contain. The other 2 ran because in truth its the first thing they do when the primary is covered. Your defense just sucks
              Originally posted by baphamet
              are you talking career or right now? because i don't see how you can say manning is top 5 even healthy.dude will never be a top 5 QB again, he is done.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Sam_Z View Post
                Uh I'm sure he could have made a difference. Even the slightest bit but perhaps we should talk about your current roster and move our attention to your offensive line.

                What the hell is going on with the boys upfront? You know Brady was sacked 15 times throughout the 2016 season however this season your o-line has already given up 13 sacks in the first 4 weeks.

                It's not just the pansy D that stinks!
                Of course Chandler Jones would make a difference. He’s a good player. But at what cost? 15 million per year? If he’s Von Miller, yeah you pay him that much. Since he’s not, he was jettisoned.

                The offensive line is not playing well because Brady getting rid of the ball quickly to Edelman probably made it look better and since Edelman isn’t there he’s getting hit more. Also, Brady is throwing the ball more downfield to Cooks and Hogan and that means he has to hold onto the ball longer for the play to develop. It’s more of a scheme thing than anything else.
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                Last edited by TommyBrady12; 10-03-2017, 01:34 PM.
                Super Bowl Wins: Brady - 6 Elway - 2 Manning - 2 (played well in none and took HGH)

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                • #23
                  The patriots D may suck and the pats may not win the super bowl, but that does not mean Denver is going to win either. In 2 games straight your offense failed to put up more than 20 points. And going back to last year you’ve shown to not be a very good road team. Unless you win the division and somehow overtake KC, you’re going to be playing on the road.
                  Super Bowl Wins: Brady - 6 Elway - 2 Manning - 2 (played well in none and took HGH)

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by TommyBrady12 View Post
                    The patriots D may suck and the pats may not win the super bowl, but that does not mean Denver is going to win either. In 2 games straight your offense failed to put up more than 20 points. And going back to last year you’ve shown to not be a very good road team. Unless you win the division and somehow overtake KC, you’re going to be playing on the road.
                    Smith is somewhat like way in the way that he crumbles when you hit him.

                    The Broncos will insert a lot of Walker and Harris into the D-Line against KC on passing downs. Plus Shane Ray will be back by then as well while we take the division away by beating them ourselves. You've heard the saying, if you want something done, you have to do it yourselves.

                    Just watch and learn my boy...

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Sam_Z View Post
                      Smith is somewhat like way in the way that he crumbles when you hit him.

                      The Broncos will insert a lot of Walker and Harris into the D-Line against KC on passing downs. Plus Shane Ray will be back by then as well while we take the division away by beating them ourselves. You've heard the saying, if you want something done, you have to do it yourselves.

                      Just watch and learn my boy...
                      You still need to be able to score points in order to beat the chiefs and your offense isn’t that prolific.
                      Super Bowl Wins: Brady - 6 Elway - 2 Manning - 2 (played well in none and took HGH)

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by TommyBrady12 View Post
                        You still need to be able to score points in order to beat the chiefs and your offense isn’t that prolific.
                        Well it is a bold statement but I think eventually Brock Osweiler will have to take the field sometime this season. Knock on wood I'm not wishing any I'll will on Trevor, not by any means but if Watson doesn't shape up I don't see TS remaining healthy.

                        Anyway back to my point and that is IMO Brock Osweiler is a more accurate down the field passer than Trevor Siemian is.

                        So if Brock does get on the field, we are going to see the Broncos utilize the running game to open the deep passing game for Brock Osweiler. At that point, anything can happen because our offense will be pretty tough to stop at that point.

                        Now I'm not saying that Brock Osweiler is the savior but I'm saying that he is a better down the field passer and with this running game, it's going to help him a lot and we're going to see a different Brock Osweiler than what we saw last year in Houston.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by TommyBrady12 View Post
                          You still need to be able to score points in order to beat the chiefs and your offense isn’t that prolific.
                          Denver was such an offensive juggernaut in 2015 too!!! 22 points per game..... Super Bowl 50 Champs

                          This year they are currently at 24 points per game......


                          Just saying.
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                          • #28
                            And just FYI..... I'm not looking to the past to say it WILL happen again since you'll probably try and spin that....

                            Just pointing out that it is doable...
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by TommyBrady12 View Post
                              You still need to be able to score points in order to beat the chiefs and your offense isn’t that prolific.
                              Our offense was bad vs the Raiders The Bills just have a great defense they also had two good games. Thats not bad its inconsistent with potential . You defense on the other hand is consistent! Consistently bad
                              Originally posted by baphamet
                              are you talking career or right now? because i don't see how you can say manning is top 5 even healthy.dude will never be a top 5 QB again, he is done.

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                              • #30
                                One thing is for sure, the Broncos D they are not!

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