i'll give credit where credit is due....

[bears6385]

I bet they wanted Roquan or McGlinchey, and they both went right in front of them. lol. Heard a lot of reports saying they were infatuated with Smith before the draft, and they took a tackle after trading back. I think the same thing happened to the Asshawks, when they traded back and hit the panic button on a running back. The live cam inside Seattle's war room was interesting.

The Chargers lucked out like we did.

Fans here in Chicago damn happy that Roquan Smith was still on the board at #8...........The second best defensive player in the draft. He is a perfect fit in Fangio's defense.

[CanDB]

Fans here in Chicago damn happy that Roquan Smith was still on the board at #8...........The second best defensive player in the draft. He is a perfect fit in Fangio's defense.

Watch for Roquan to be a not to distant star in this league!

[bronx_2003]

Thanks Baphs.

Sanders and DT are both on their ninth seasons at ages 31 and 30, so the writing is on the wall and these are potential replacements.

I see this a lot and while it is partly true the Broncos also needed more options in the passing game for this season, especially with Latimer and Fowler leaving.

So while there is a clear look to the future I think people are underestimating the effect for THIS year, we have desperately needed someone to take the D's attention away from DT and Sanders

[bronx_2003]

Our entire division foes seemed to reach on almost every pick (barring Derwin James), I guess time will always tell.

[Freyaka]

You guy did it good too.... thankfully we have the Raiders to make fun of for now.

The raiders are the slow kid picking his nose in the corner of the AFC West.

[DevilSpawn]

The raiders are the slow kid picking his nose in the corner of the AFC West.

You know you were in last place most recently. Just checking.

[Freyaka]

You know you were in last place most recently. Just checking.

Not to resort to trophy smack, but when was the last time your team sniffed one of these?

I suspect (though haven't taken the time to research yet) that we've been in last place over the last 20 years as many times as the Raiders have been in first place.

[Freyaka]

Haha, so it was a lucky guess, but I was right.

Broncos were last in the division in
2017, 2010 and 1999


Raiders were first in the division in
2002, 2001 and 2000


We were first in the division in
2015, 2014, 2013, 2012, 2011, 2005, 1998

You were last in the division in
2014, 2013, 2007, 2006, 2005, 2004,

So I think my original statement still holds water

[Freyaka]

Bottom line? We still have the ability to talk smack on the entire division despite last year because we've got about 20 years worth of dominance to fall back on (30 really)

[-Rod-]

For years, I've seen the other teams in the division having better drafts with higher draft picks. This time, having the higher draft picks, the Broncos were able to come out with a better draft on paper. That's how it's supposed to be. In pevious years, we did not have a top-5 pick to get a Khalil Mack or a Joey Bosa. Now we were able to get that kind of player.

Derwin James was a steal for the Chargers. There is no way he should have been there. Even with the QB frenzy, that situation only happened because players like Ward, McGlinchey, Payne and Miller went eariler than expected. Tremaine Edmunds fell to #16. That was crazy.

I think Kolton Miller was a big reach by the Raiders, maybe a desperation move after the Bradley Chubb + Von Miller combo, and other teams took McGlinchey and Davenport right in front of the Raiders. However, Maurice Hurst might be the biggest steal in the division, considering that he's a 1st-round talent drafted in the 5th round.

[DevilSpawn]

Not to resort to trophy smack, but when was the last time your team sniffed one of these?

Says "not to resort to trophy smack"...

Resorts to trophy smack before (pic) and after (statement).

Why the disclaimer, Frey? You should just say what you feel instead of saying that you're not really saying what you're about to say. It can't be because Baph will call you out on it. I know he's not lingering deep in your subconscious in every post. Is it because 3 = 3 at the end of the day no matter what years we're talking about, and you don't have a winning dog in the trophy fight against the Raiders. Or am I missing something? Can't be a third Lombardi. The Raiders can display their three just as well. Get a fourth and I'll give credit where it's due.

I suspect (though haven't taken the time to research yet) that we've been in last place over the last 20 years as many times as the Raiders have been in first place.

Haha, so it was a lucky guess, but I was right.

Broncos were last in the division in
2017, 2010 and 1999


Raiders were first in the division in
2002, 2001 and 2000


We were first in the division in
2015, 2014, 2013, 2012, 2011, 2005, 1998

You were last in the division in
2014, 2013, 2007, 2006, 2005, 2004,

So I think my original statement still holds water

Nope it doesn't.

First of all, according to my research, the Broncos have finished last in the division 15 times. The Raiders? 8. Looks like your boogers are bigger than ours on that end unless I'm off.

With all this dominance, there's still a -11 head to head disadvantage against the Raiders. In fact, Denver only has a winning record in the division against 1 team in their history, the Chargers. Longer lines of snot in Donkey Land. It almost sounds like you NEED the Chargers in the division.

Playoff wins. 25-23 Raiders.

Division Championships = 15 a piece

I'll give you these nuggets, you have 5 more wins than the Raiders all time. But not within the last 20 years. More like 3 or 4.

You've lost more Superbowls than we have, so I guess that's one more for the Broncos. clap clap.

So at the end of the day, the Broncos and Raiders have plenty of accomplishments to pat their backs over, but at the true end of the day, they're tied. So we're either both in the corner or we're handing tissues to the Chargers.

Maybe the Raiders should've kept JaMarcus Russell longer so you'd have TRUE dominance. Oh wait, that wouldn't work.

[DevilSpawn]

For years, I've seen the other teams in the division having better drafts with higher draft picks. This time, having the higher draft picks, the Broncos were able to come out with a better draft on paper. That's how it's supposed to be. In pevious years, we did not have a top-5 pick to get a Khalil Mack or a Joey Bosa. Now we were able to get that kind of player.

Derwin James was a steal for the Chargers. There is no way he should have been there. Even with the QB frenzy, that situation only happened because players like Ward, McGlinchey, Payne and Miller went eariler than expected. Tremaine Edmunds fell to #16. That was crazy.

I think Kolton Miller was a big reach by the Raiders, maybe a desperation move after the Bradley Chubb + Von Miller combo, and other teams took McGlinchey and Davenport right in front of the Raiders. However, Maurice Hurst might be the biggest steal in the division, considering that he's a 1st-round talent drafted in the 5th round.

Miller wasn't a reach. He wasn't picked solely because of Miller and Chubb. Vadal Alexander, the Raiders right tackle, was suspended for violating the NFL drug policy... which was a waste because the drugs didn't help him win the job outright. Tackles were needed for the entire division and beyond.

Donald Penn was in a questionable domestic dispute on top of being long in the tooth. So tackles were sorely needed and I believe Miller was the second best rated tackle and projected as a late first/early second. The bad thing about the pick to me wasn't the pick itself but the trade with the Cardinals.

[Freyaka]

Says "not to resort to trophy smack"...

Resorts to trophy smack before (pic) and after (statement).

Why the disclaimer, Frey? You should just say what you feel instead of saying that you're not really saying what you're about to say. It can't be because Baph will call you out on it. I know he's not lingering deep in your subconscious in every post. Is it because 3 = 3 at the end of the day no matter what years we're talking about, and you don't have a winning dog in the trophy fight against the Raiders. Or am I missing something? Can't be a third Lombardi. The Raiders can display their three just as well. Get a fourth and I'll give credit where it's due.





Nope it doesn't.

First of all, according to my research, the Broncos have finished last in the division 15 times. The Raiders? 8. Looks like your boogers are bigger than ours on that end unless I'm off.

With all this dominance, there's still a -11 head to head disadvantage against the Raiders. In fact, Denver only has a winning record in the division against 1 team in their history, the Chargers. Longer lines of snot in Donkey Land. It almost sounds like you NEED the Chargers in the division.

Playoff wins. 25-23 Raiders.

Division Championships = 15 a piece

I'll give you these nuggets, you have 5 more wins than the Raiders all time. But not within the last 20 years. More like 3 or 4.

You've lost more Superbowls than we have, so I guess that's one more for the Broncos. clap clap.

So at the end of the day, the Broncos and Raiders have plenty of accomplishments to pat their backs over, but at the true end of the day, they're tied. So we're either both in the corner or we're handing tissues to the Chargers.

Maybe the Raiders should've kept JaMarcus Russell longer so you'd have TRUE dominance. Oh wait, that wouldn't work.

It's hilarious that to "debunk me" you had to dig up ancient history. My information was the last two decades, not back when our two teams were still in infancy.

[bronx_2003]

Miller wasn't a reach. He wasn't picked solely because of Miller and Chubb. Vadal Alexander, the Raiders right tackle, was suspended for violating the NFL drug policy... which was a waste because the drugs didn't help him win the job outright. Tackles were needed for the entire division and beyond.

Donald Penn was in a questionable domestic dispute on top of being long in the tooth. So tackles were sorely needed and I believe Miller was the second best rated tackle and projected as a late first/early second. The bad thing about the pick to me wasn't the pick itself but the trade with the Cardinals.

I don't think other teams played a part in it either but reaching for need rarely works out. Miller might turn out to be an outstanding OT but at the moment he is a reach going off most 'experts' big boards..... Mayock had him at 31.

Persoanlly I think the Raiders would have been better coming away with -

Edmunds / James / Vander Esch

Oliver / O'Neill


Miller and Hall have a lot to prove.

[DevilSpawn]

I don't think other teams played a part in it either but reaching for need rarely works out. Miller might turn out to be an outstanding OT but at the moment he is a reach going off most 'experts' big boards..... Mayock had him at 31.

I believe this is Mayock's final board, which was posted hours before the draft. He had Miller going to the Pats at 23 and calls it a great pick. My issue with the pick is that the Raiders should've traded down again and get Miller in the 20s. They probably couldn't pull off another trade and saw other teams in the 20s looking to take him.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000928583/article/mike-mayocks-2018-nfl-mock-draft-bills-trade-up-for-josh-allen

Persoanlly I think the Raiders would have been better coming away with -

Edmunds / James / Vander Esch

Oliver / O'Neill


Miller and Hall have a lot to prove.

I wouldn't have been mad at this scenario.