Passed the broncos team bus on the interstate today....

[baphamet]

And they still have higher merchandise sales than the dead bolts.

Look at you getting all mad but I don't care how good you think your ridiculous team looks on paper I'm saying you continuously place a higher value on that homeless team of cast offs than that of the broncos and I'm saying you couldn't be more wrong because even the jets hold a higher value than the dead bolts.

Do you understand that we are talking about how YOU value the chargers higher than Denver? You’re the one that came in here with your garbage truck vid stating just that. Idk were you got that we were talking about who’s better but that will be Denver anyway but I also don’t know how you get so lost and far off on these subjects, perhaps you should learn to control your own attitude instead of letting others get the best of it.

Also, I know my post get under your skin so before you go off all half ass again with the personal insults just swallow your pride and admit you are wrong.

you're not even making sense, how can your posts bother me? team of cast offs?? you think if you say ridiculous outlandish crap that not even you believe, that will get under my skin? all you're doing is proving you have nothing but trolling to bring to the table.

[baphamet]

Do you take medication?

do you read at all? or just troll?

[Butler By'Note]

i would never say he is first ballot even if he did win a ring. sure, it will take several years depending on how he finishes but lets not forget, his career isn't over. all it would take is one strong run to put him over that hump. i'm sure there are some that will say he isn't top 3 at his position in the era he played in but that era is filled with future HOF'ers, some of the best of all time. i'm sure you're right that some will hold that against him.

but i have to say.......there is no way if all their careers ended today that russel wilson gets in, absolutely no way. also, eli manning before rivers? has eli manning been top 3 at his position at any point in his career same as rivers? he's usually rated real low, he's been pretty mediocre over his entire career.

Eli gets in because of his name, and the 2 Super Bowl wins over the Patriots. Whether rightly or wrongly it will be remembered as Eli beating Brady and coming up clutch in the fourth quarter when it mattered on the biggest stage.

Wilson has some weird love by the media. No one in the media blamed Russell Wilson for the interception in the Super Bowl. Everyone was quick to blame the play call, but no one stood up and pointed out that Wilson never bothered looking before he threw, he got to his spot and put the ball right to Butler. Is he a hall of famer today? I would hope not. But with even an average career the rest of the way I think he gets in there, because the media likes him. Which is why I think his path there is much easier than Rivers'.

[Lumiere]

Do you take medication?

For that deep down clean.

[Sam_Z]

I'M TELLING YOU THE NET WORTH OF A TEAM OR HOW GOOD THEIR MECH SELLS HAS NO BEARING ON HOW GOOD THE TEAM IS CURRENTLY, THAT TOP 10 LIST PROVES THAT CONSIDERING HALF OF THOSE TEAMS WERE AMONG THE VERY WORST IN THE LEAGUE LAST YEAR.

And they still have higher merchandise sales than the dead bolts.

Look at you getting all mad but I don't care how good you think your ridiculous team looks on paper I'm saying you continuously place a higher value on that homeless team of cast offs than that of the broncos and I'm saying you couldn't be more wrong because even the jets hold a higher value than the dead bolts.

Do you understand that we are talking about how YOU value the chargers higher than Denver? You’re the one that came in here with your garbage truck vid stating just that. Idk were you got that we were talking about who’s better but that will be Denver anyway but I also don’t know how you get so lost and far off on these subjects, perhaps you should learn to control your own attitude instead of letting others get the best of it.

Also, I know my post get under your skin so before you go off all half ass again with the personal insults just swallow your pride and admit you are wrong.

[Rancid]

i think i did just back it up, links provided and everything. sorry for the harsh beat down, no hard feelings, eh?

Do you take medication?

[baphamet]

All of those teams have more historical value than the chargers. Not only that but even the jets sell more merchandise than the chargers now get mad and go search the web for merchandise sales however I don't care what your research says because I've seen more Jets merchandise and sport apparel out in public than I have seen that of the Chargers.

Failed logic huh, Im pretty sure store owners invest their money in what is in higher demand over what Mr. Lloyd Christmas conjures up in his head!!!

I'M TELLING YOU THE NET WORTH OF A TEAM OR HOW GOOD THEIR MECH SELLS HAS NO BEARING ON HOW GOOD THE TEAM IS CURRENTLY, THAT TOP 10 LIST PROVES THAT CONSIDERING HALF OF THOSE TEAMS WERE AMONG THE VERY WORST IN THE LEAGUE LAST YEAR.

[Sam_Z]

are you not even bright enough to understand that every single teams net worth doesn't just hinge on ticket and merchandise sales? according to your hilarious failed logic, these are the top 30 best players in the league.....in order.

http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000000908202

according to your logic, these are the best teams in the NFL in order.

1. cowboys
2. pats
3. giants
4. redskins
5. 49'ers
6. rams
7. bears "
8. jets
9. eagles
10 and finally the broncos

that's your top 10 LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

All of those teams have more historical value than the chargers. Not only that but even the jets sell more merchandise than the chargers now get mad and go search the web for merchandise sales however I don't care what your research says because I've seen more Jets merchandise and sport apparel out in public than I have seen that of the Chargers.

Failed logic huh, Im pretty sure store owners invest their money in what is in higher demand over what Mr. Lloyd Christmas conjures up in his head!!!

[baphamet]

So you can't back up your talk because you don't respond to 'fake ass Broncos fans'?

Whatever Cliffy!



LoL-- Loser!

i think i did just back it up, links provided and everything. sorry for the harsh beat down, no hard feelings, eh?

[baphamet]

Taking my personal bias out of it and looking at it analytically, even if he finishes top 10 in every category, I think at a minimum he has to wait several years before going in. For a few reasons: 1. Peter King says that when he was voting for a Hall of Fame player one of his criteria is that the player needed to be amongst the top 2-3 at his position for at least part of his career. Realistically has Rivers ever been amongst the top 2-3 QBs during his career? I ask that honestly. I don't know if he was ever considered that. I believe he finished top 3 in MVP voting once...although that could be wrong.
2. His playoff record. When he gets compared to the other QBs of his era ultimately it will come down to playoff records and Super Bowl records. So he ends up having to wait while others get in because of their play in January/February.

Example: Is he a better QB than Eli Manning? One could make that argument, but Eli has the last name, and he also has those two Super Bowl wins against the Patriots.

If all QBs of the same era retired tomorrow, I think the list for the HOF looks like this:
1. Tom Brady (no doubt he's going in)
2. Drew Brees
3. Ben Roethlisberger (I hate him, but Pittsburgh players get in even with bad resumes and he has two rings)
4. Aaron Rodgers (The myths around him are bigger than what he's actually delivered)
5. Eli Manning
6. Russell Wilson (again I'm not big on him, but the media is)
7. Rivers

Obviously that can change, and a deep playoff run would certainly help that. But right now I think he's on the ballot for a while because of the failure in the playoffs. Particularly when he guys voting for the HOF were the same ones saying the Chargers were the most talented roster in the NFL for several years.

i would never say he is first ballot even if he did win a ring. sure, it will take several years depending on how he finishes but lets not forget, his career isn't over. all it would take is one strong run to put him over that hump. i'm sure there are some that will say he isn't top 3 at his position in the era he played in but that era is filled with future HOF'ers, some of the best of all time. i'm sure you're right that some will hold that against him.

but i have to say.......there is no way if all their careers ended today that russel wilson gets in, absolutely no way. also, eli manning before rivers? has eli manning been top 3 at his position at any point in his career same as rivers? he's usually rated real low, he's been pretty mediocre over his entire career.

[Rancid]

Exibit A: https://forums.denverbroncos.com/sho...ght=nfl+rigged

Exibit: B https://forums.denverbroncos.com/sho...58#post5525258

that is what i call a fake ass broncos fan. dude doesn't even care and thinks the NFL is rigged yet he comes here to talk smack?

i never said i was hardcore, the chargers fans left that go to the home games surrounded by the enemy in their own stadium......THAT IS HARD CORE.

So you can't back up your talk because you don't respond to 'fake ass Broncos fans'?

Whatever Cliffy!



LoL-- Loser!

[Butler By'Note]

if his career ended today it would be difficult for him to get in. but by the time he retires he will be top 10 in every major statistical category, even winning. but really he needs to get back to the playoffs and solidify his place among the elite where he belongs.

the thing is, you can ask most old skool chargers ans who they think is better dan fouts or phil rivers and most will say rivers including me. i think when it's all said and done rivers will end up in the HOF some day.

Taking my personal bias out of it and looking at it analytically, even if he finishes top 10 in every category, I think at a minimum he has to wait several years before going in. For a few reasons: 1. Peter King says that when he was voting for a Hall of Fame player one of his criteria is that the player needed to be amongst the top 2-3 at his position for at least part of his career. Realistically has Rivers ever been amongst the top 2-3 QBs during his career? I ask that honestly. I don't know if he was ever considered that. I believe he finished top 3 in MVP voting once...although that could be wrong.
2. His playoff record. When he gets compared to the other QBs of his era ultimately it will come down to playoff records and Super Bowl records. So he ends up having to wait while others get in because of their play in January/February.

Example: Is he a better QB than Eli Manning? One could make that argument, but Eli has the last name, and he also has those two Super Bowl wins against the Patriots.

If all QBs of the same era retired tomorrow, I think the list for the HOF looks like this:
1. Tom Brady (no doubt he's going in)
2. Drew Brees
3. Ben Roethlisberger (I hate him, but Pittsburgh players get in even with bad resumes and he has two rings)
4. Aaron Rodgers (The myths around him are bigger than what he's actually delivered)
5. Eli Manning
6. Russell Wilson (again I'm not big on him, but the media is)
7. Rivers

Obviously that can change, and a deep playoff run would certainly help that. But right now I think he's on the ballot for a while because of the failure in the playoffs. Particularly when he guys voting for the HOF were the same ones saying the Chargers were the most talented roster in the NFL for several years.

[baphamet]

What's a "fake ass Broncos fan," Barpho?

What cracks me up is, you act like you're some sort of hardcore fan because your team is a trash heap that no town seems to want. Like that's some sort of badge of honor.

You're not hardcore, dude. You just like poking manure with a stick...and there's nothing wrong with that, but let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

Exibit A: https://forums.denverbroncos.com/sho...ght=nfl+rigged

Exibit: B https://forums.denverbroncos.com/sho...58#post5525258

that is what i call a fake ass broncos fan. dude doesn't even care and thinks the NFL is rigged yet he comes here to talk smack?

i never said i was hardcore, the chargers fans left that go to the home games surrounded by the enemy in their own stadium......THAT IS HARD CORE.

[Lumiere]

first of all, i don't answer to fake ass broncos fans, only the real ones. but since i never back down, ill give a fake ass fan a beat down.

all ive seen around here is nonsense yet you think that comment is "garbage"? just google search rivers vs fouts which is better and see most agree with me.

http://therenodispatch.blogspot.com/2016/09/whos-better-philip-rivers-or-dan-fouts_26.html

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-rivers-tops-fouts-as-best-chargers-quarterback-2011aug01-story.html

from a statistical standpoint it isn't even close and from a winning standpoint it isn't close either. fouts flourished under the "air coryell" system. he never had a winning season without don coryell and his statistics were not great either.

rivers on the other hand has flourished in multiple systems that are vastly different and has won regardless. not only that but watching both play, it's clear who was better.

so phil has much better stats and a much better winning percentage. fouts is 3-4 in the playoffs with no ring or SB appearance, rivers is 4-5 in the playoffs with no ring or SB appearance.. i would love to hear the argument for fouts at this point and this is coming from someone who grew up idolizing dan fouts.

lets see if you can answer that and not just troll like usual.

What's a "fake ass Broncos fan," Barpho?

What cracks me up is, you act like you're some sort of hardcore fan because your team is a trash heap that no town seems to want. Like that's some sort of badge of honor.

You're not hardcore, dude. You just like poking manure with a stick...and there's nothing wrong with that, but let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

[baphamet]

Okay, Baph, let's ask them. You don't have to come up with 10, but post 5 links where what you call, 'old timers' say Rivers is better than Dan Fouts. Back up your talk for a change and let's see if you know what you're talking about or you just spew nonsense.

5-links-- it can be anything-- we will be liberal. Let's see if you know what you are talking about or as usual spew out your backside. No excuses-- put up or shut up.

first of all, i don't answer to fake ass broncos fans, only the real ones. but since i never back down, ill give a fake ass fan a beat down.

all ive seen around here is nonsense yet you think that comment is "garbage"? just google search rivers vs fouts which is better and see most agree with me.

http://therenodispatch.blogspot.com/2016/09/whos-better-philip-rivers-or-dan-fouts_26.html

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-rivers-tops-fouts-as-best-chargers-quarterback-2011aug01-story.html

from a statistical standpoint it isn't even close and from a winning standpoint it isn't close either. fouts flourished under the "air coryell" system. he never had a winning season without don coryell and his statistics were not great either.

rivers on the other hand has flourished in multiple systems that are vastly different and has won regardless. not only that but watching both play, it's clear who was better.

so phil has much better stats and a much better winning percentage. fouts is 3-4 in the playoffs with no ring or SB appearance, rivers is 4-5 in the playoffs with no ring or SB appearance.. i would love to hear the argument for fouts at this point and this is coming from someone who grew up idolizing dan fouts.

lets see if you can answer that and not just troll like usual.