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  • bears6385
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    Originally posted by Sam_Z View Post
    If Fangio was still in Chicago, I’d tend to agree with Bear6583 when he talks about first round compensation.

    However since I believe that window isnt as wide with Fangios departure to Denver, I think Gruden has a very good shot at obtaining a high mid first rounder. Nothing to high but nothing to low, but somewhere between 13- 24 which could translate to a serious play maker but not a super star.
    I don't see this Bears D slowing a bit. Vic is a great DC, but Pagano is also right there, if anything Pagano is a more aggressive play caller. He is getting a defense that is bringing back 10 of 11 starters, with no plans to alter that defense. To me it is like going from Buddy Ryan's '85 defense to Vince Tobin's '86 squad that set a then record for points allowed.


    I would say our window is even wider than last year with Trubisky in his second year in Matt Nagy's offense. An offense that was able to bring in more weapons in free agency and the draft for Nagy to play with. As said I don't think Vic's departure will have much of an effect at all on this defense. It is still loaded with pro bowl and all pro talent at every level, and Pagano is good at his job.


    Projections are tough to make at this time of year, but based on last year the Bears pick should be low in the first round. We also own the Raiders second round pick which could be a high one, which might not be that far removed from a low first.

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  • Sam_Z
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    Originally posted by DevilSpawn View Post
    What about next year's first rounder? I still don't buy this "got fleeced" opinion since he traded two first rounders for one and those players have yet to play.

    We all agree both players have to be special but for us. Or maybe one special, one very good. And we all agree Gruden underestimated where Chicago would pick...well Reggie McKenzie was the one who said they thought one team would pick too low (I forgot who).

    I don't follow Alabama football but looking at the stats, it was a 3 headed monster that didn't rely on one back to get the most carries. Looking at the draft profile for the two that were eligible, Jacobs was rated higher than Harris. Why? I don't know since I don't follow Alabama, but we'll see if they're right. We'll be bumping this thread a plenty.
    If Fangio was still in Chicago, I’d tend to agree with Bear6583 when he talks about first round compensation.

    However since I believe that window isnt as wide with Fangios departure to Denver, I think Gruden has a very good shot at obtaining a high mid first rounder. Nothing to high but nothing to low, but somewhere between 13- 24 which could translate to a serious play maker but not a super star.
    Last edited by Sam_Z; 05-16-2019, 02:11 PM.

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  • Chitown
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    Originally posted by TommyBrady12 View Post
    The Raiders save a lot in cap space. That is the real benefit.
    Yep. last year the Bears had a ton of cap space and used it to get Mack. Maybe the Raiders will get lucky enough to find a player that dominant to use their cap space on like the Bears did.

    Bears still have over 13 million in cap space right now. Since they don't really need any free agents they will probably use that to extend a few players.

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  • DevilSpawn
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    Originally posted by CanDB View Post
    This is interesting for me, because this is a "debate" between 2 of the best fans of other teams...IMHO.

    I think this trade will have to be judged a number of years from now, because Mack is a stud, but the compensation for him may be significant over time. Might turn out to be a good deal all around.
    yup...and thanks. :thumb:

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  • DevilSpawn
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    Originally posted by bears6385 View Post
    When you consider that Gruden made the Mack trade with the idea that the Bears would not improve in 2018 and he would then get at least a very high draft pick, he simply did not do his homework on this team. In 2017 with a bad team the Bears D was in the top 10, and then added both Smith in the draft and Mack. Gruden seemed to only assume that the Bears would continue to be a horrible team. He misread the situation and got fleeced. Mack is one of the best defenders in the league playing at the highest level, Jacobs could not even win a starting job in college. Jacobs and next years #1 would have to be special players to justify this trade.....not seeing it.
    What about next year's first rounder? I still don't buy this "got fleeced" opinion since he traded two first rounders for one and those players have yet to play.

    We all agree both players have to be special but for us. Or maybe one special, one very good. And we all agree Gruden underestimated where Chicago would pick...well Reggie McKenzie was the one who said they thought one team would pick too low (I forgot who).

    I don't follow Alabama football but looking at the stats, it was a 3 headed monster that didn't rely on one back to get the most carries. Looking at the draft profile for the two that were eligible, Jacobs was rated higher than Harris. Why? I don't know since I don't follow Alabama, but we'll see if they're right. We'll be bumping this thread a plenty.

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  • CanDB
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    Originally posted by DevilSpawn View Post
    Gruden didn't get robbed as he received two first rounders on top of the ones they already have. You seem to think top 10 picks are automatic and anything lower is a bust. It's all about what happens on the field and that's to be determined in the next several years.
    Originally posted by bears6385 View Post
    When you consider that Gruden made the Mack trade with the idea that the Bears would not improve in 2018 and he would then get at least a very high draft pick, he simply did not do his homework on this team. In 2017 with a bad team the Bears D was in the top 10, and then added both Smith in the draft and Mack. Gruden seemed to only assume that the Bears would continue to be a horrible team. He misread the situation and got fleeced. Mack is one of the best defenders in the league playing at the highest level, Jacobs could not even win a starting job in college. Jacobs and next years #1 would have to be special players to justify this trade.....not seeing it.
    This is interesting for me, because this is a "debate" between 2 of the best fans of other teams...IMHO.

    I think this trade will have to be judged a number of years from now, because Mack is a stud, but the compensation for him may be significant over time. Might turn out to be a good deal all around.
    Last edited by CanDB; 05-15-2019, 01:50 PM.

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  • bears6385
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    Originally posted by DevilSpawn View Post
    Gruden didn't get robbed as he received two first rounders on top of the ones they already have. You seem to think top 10 picks are automatic and anything lower is a bust. It's all about what happens on the field and that's to be determined in the next several years.
    When you consider that Gruden made the Mack trade with the idea that the Bears would not improve in 2018 and he would then get at least a very high draft pick, he simply did not do his homework on this team. In 2017 with a bad team the Bears D was in the top 10, and then added both Smith in the draft and Mack. Gruden seemed to only assume that the Bears would continue to be a horrible team. He misread the situation and got fleeced. Mack is one of the best defenders in the league playing at the highest level, Jacobs could not even win a starting job in college. Jacobs and next years #1 would have to be special players to justify this trade.....not seeing it.

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  • Sam_Z
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    Originally posted by DevilSpawn View Post
    Gruden didn't get robbed as he received two first rounders on top of the ones they already have. You seem to think top 10 picks are automatic and anything lower is a bust. It's all about what happens on the field and that's to be determined in the next several years.
    The picks/players Gruden recieved for Mack will have to perform on a very high level for the trade to be justified.

    Mack is a generational player and if just one of those draft picks turns into a superstar, I’d say it was worth it but anything less is just a pure failure for Gruden.

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  • DevilSpawn
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    Originally posted by bears6385 View Post
    Not buying it...….What appears to be two low first round picks for Mack and probably a high second round pick, Gruden got robbed.


    In my opinion there were no running backs in this draft that should be considered a first round talent. I don't know that Jacobs is any better a prospect than Sanders who went a round later.
    Gruden didn't get robbed as he received two first rounders on top of the ones they already have. You seem to think top 10 picks are automatic and anything lower is a bust. It's all about what happens on the field and that's to be determined in the next several years.

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  • bears6385
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    Originally posted by DevilSpawn View Post
    New regime.

    If he turns out to be a top back for the next 5 years, it was well worth it. And even then, this trade is only halfway done.
    Not buying it...….What appears to be two low first round picks for Mack and probably a high second round pick, Gruden got robbed.


    In my opinion there were no running backs in this draft that should be considered a first round talent. I don't know that Jacobs is any better a prospect than Sanders who went a round later.

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  • Sam_Z
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    Originally posted by DevilSpawn View Post
    New regime.

    If he turns out to be a top back for the next 5 years, it was well worth it. And even then, this trade is only halfway done.
    Not saying he won’t amount to something special but losing Mack, one would have to tell themselves almost anything to justify Jon Gruden decision to trade him.

    Losing Mack was huge especially when the raiders didn’t have to trade him.

    Anything short of a super bowl victory will reflect extremely poor on Gruden for doing such a thing!
    Last edited by Sam_Z; 05-12-2019, 09:38 PM.

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  • DevilSpawn
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    Originally posted by bears6385 View Post
    Is it......It all depends on how they use that cap space. We will see, but it is the Raiders after all.
    New regime.
    Originally posted by bears6385 View Post
    Now that the 2019 draft is over lets see what the Raiders got for Mack this year. At #24 a much lower draft pick than the Raiders thought they were going to get from the Bears, the pick is Josh

    Jacobs a running back. Could be a solid pick but compared to Mack he is just a guy.
    If he turns out to be a top back for the next 5 years, it was well worth it. And even then, this trade is only halfway done.

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  • bears6385
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    Originally posted by TommyBrady12 View Post
    The Raiders save a lot in cap space. That is the real benefit.
    Is it......It all depends on how they use that cap space. We will see, but it is the Raiders after all.

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  • bears6385
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    Originally posted by Jonny_Quest View Post
    So you're one and done in the playoffs. Don't sweat it. The future is bright!

    You can really add a key piece with your first round pick this year...owait, traded that for Mack

    Well, next year's first round pick can really round out the roster...owait, traded that for Mack

    No worries! Free agency can put you over the top...owait, gave a record-setting contract to Mack. No cap space.
    Now that the draft and free agency is over, I can say thank you the Bears future is bright.


    In Mack we got our first round pick a year early, worked out well for us. Where also able to give Nagy some weapons on offense.


    In the 2020 draft the Raiders high 2nd round pick probably is not going to be much different than the Bears low 1st rounder.


    Without a lot of holes to fill the Bears did very well in free agency, thanks for asking. BTW Bears still have cap space to add a player or two if needed.


    All in all Mack trade is still everything we needed it to be a year later.

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  • TommyBrady12
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    Originally posted by bears6385 View Post
    Now that the 2019 draft is over lets see what the Raiders got for Mack this year. At #24 a much lower draft pick than the Raiders thought they were going to get from the Bears, the pick is Josh Jacobs a running back. Could be a solid pick but compared to Mack he is just a guy.
    The Raiders save a lot in cap space. That is the real benefit.

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