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Originally posted by 58Miller View Post2013 Patriots starting interior line
LG Logan Mankins
C Ryan Wendell
RG Dan Connolly
Following season they win Superbowl with
LG Dan Connolly
C Bryan Stork
RG Ryan Wendell
So getting rid of First team all pro Logan Mankins was the fix ( not that Denver was better)
2015 Denver’s defense dominated the NFL including the MVP Cam Newton in the SB after they beat up Tommy in the title game , he was rattled in that game.
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Originally posted by TommyBrady12 View PostEvery time I hear people say Brady can be beaten with pressure up the middle I laugh, as if this were an easy formula. Truth is, Brady can be beaten up the middle with pressure if the Pats' interior offensive line is weak. In the last 2 AFCCGs against Denver, the Broncos d-line exploited our weak center and guards. That's really it. Denver does not hold a magical formula that 31 other teams don't have. It was all about fortunate timing for them.
in our last meeting, Brady simply manipulated the pocket to avoid the outside pressure like he's so good at doing without much disruption in the middle. it's not like the pats interior is impenetrable.
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Originally posted by TommyBrady12 View PostEvery time I hear people say Brady can be beaten with pressure up the middle I laugh, as if this were an easy formula. Truth is, Brady can be beaten up the middle with pressure if the Pats' interior offensive line is weak. In the last 2 AFCCGs against Denver, the Broncos d-line exploited our weak center and guards. That's really it. Denver does not hold a magical formula that 31 other teams don't have. It was all about fortunate timing for them.
LG Logan Mankins
C Ryan Wendell
RG Dan Connolly
Following season they win Superbowl with
LG Dan Connolly
C Bryan Stork
RG Ryan Wendell
So getting rid of First team all pro Logan Mankins was the fix ( not that Denver was better)
2015 Denver’s defense dominated the NFL including the MVP Cam Newton in the SB after they beat up Tommy in the title game , he was rattled in that game.
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Originally posted by TommyBrady12 View PostIncorrect. The Dolphins and Jets have beaten Brady more than Broncos. If Brady gets protection, he can pick apart any defense including Denver's.
Beating Brady regular season is one thing the postseason is a whole different situation.
Denver held Brady under 20 twice in those title games, the Giants who also had a great pass rush ( inside and out) also beat the GOAT twice in the big game.
Beating the best postseason Qb of all-time when it matters is something to brag about in my opinion.Last edited by 58Miller; 05-08-2019, 08:50 PM.
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Originally posted by baphamet View Postsadly, i agree and there needs to be pressure up the middle and from the edge, not just from the edge....
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Originally posted by TommyBrady12 View PostIncorrect. The Dolphins and Jets have beaten Brady more than Broncos. If Brady gets protection, he can pick apart any defense including Denver's.
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Originally posted by arapaho View Postthat is totally debatable
you think tillery 30 tackles, 8 sacks, 10.5 TFL and 3FF showed more than
Q Williams 71 tackles, 19.5 TFL 8 sacks
tillery was considered any where from a 1st to 3rd round pick, and was red flagged by some teams for serious character concerns
he isn't even ranked as high as dre'mont jones whom was ranked by walter football as the 4th best DT in the draft and a 1st round talent
whom had 40 tackles, 8.5 sacks, 13 TFL, 2 passes batted, 1 FF, 1 int TD....and we got him in the 3rd round
he wins at the point of attack just as much as Williams does, he has a pass rushing grade the same as Williams. but he isn't a complete player like Williams yet and he isn't great against the run yet, which is the biggest reason why he was a low first round prospect(he won't be an every down lineman at first). Williams is a top 3 blue chip player, the chargers did well for themselves at #28 to fill a huge need with a talented inside pass rusher..
also, Walter football is horrible about keeping up to date. if they or anyone else have him rated that low it's because that profile was made before or early in his senior season, his break out season where he dominated week in and week out.
the NFL draft network has him rated #29
pff has him rated #7
then there is this.....
https://ftw.usatoday.com/gallery/201...s-in-the-draft
We’ve created our most extensive big board yet, analyzing eight 2019 mock drafts from around the internet – the latest revisions from USA TODAY, NFL.com, Draftwire, Pro Football Focus, CBS Sports, ESPN’s Todd McShay and Mel Kiper Jr. and The Ringer – and found each player’s average draft position.
perryman was no way your best LB, J brown was and he played in 15 games
you also lost a former or let walk a former 1st pick in Cory luiget, the midget 1st round cb verrett, LB kyle Emmanuel who was one of your seasons starting linebacker
3 out of the 4 years he was a charger he never played in more than 4 games, including only playing in 5 games in the last two years. emmanuel was the only LB'er to survive last season (from the original 53) and he was our worst one, losing him is pretty much a non factor as long as the LB'er corps don't get decimated again, they didn't want him back and he retired from the NFL.
getting our LB'er back healthy has a much bigger impact than any of those guys we lost. I don't see a lot of holes on he chargers defense, it's a very talented defense and got better this off season.
offense? now that's another story.Last edited by baphamet; 05-08-2019, 08:09 PM.
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Originally posted by 58Miller View PostSave the your the only one who understands how to get to Brady.
Denver has beat Brady more than any team, and Pot, Roast (in 2013), Malik Jackson and Wolfe’s ability to collapse the pocket is why Denver is 2-0 in the Title game vs them.
Also, Baphs why do you think Tillery went in the late 20’s if he is the game changer you claim he is? ( note not smack just a question)
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Originally posted by baphamet View Postno, i'm not counting on rookies to get the defense to the next level. i'm counting on them to fill needs on the defense that were exposed last season. the chargers already have two pro bowl outside pass rushers in joey bosa and melvin ingram, they have multiple pro bowlers in the secondary.
they were already a good defense but their weakness was inside pass rush, LB'er (especially when the unit was decimated), and a strong safety playing out of position getting burned trying to play single high.
if jerry tillery is even half as advertised, that is going to generate pressure up the middle and not allow QB's to step up to avoid their two elite edge rushers like brady did in that playoff game. it is going to make the world of difference if tillery is successful.. not only that but pairing derwin james with a true FS (the best FS prospect in the draft) is going to solidify a lot of their issues over the middle if he is successful, along with getting their rangy LB'ers back healthy.
the gus bradley system absolutely requires a rangy single high safety and the chargers haven't had one since hiring him as the DC.......until now.
we don't need a mack to make our defense elite, we already have elite pass rushers on the edge. we need players in other spots to fill holes on an already top 10 defense.
by the way, don't be surprised if somehow ndamukong suh ends up on that DL as well.
Yes the Chargers are a very good defense right now. Your own words, IF Jerry Tillery can generate pressure inside, IF Tillery is successful. Same with Adderley, it's IF he is successful, IF his production translates. IF,IF,IF that's a lot of damn IF's. Truth be told you have no idea IF they will perform as you hope they will, and yes they will have to perform at the level you want them to for the Chargers D to get to the elite level. Tough ask for any rookie.
Your rangy LB's.....good but not great, problem is you need at least one of those LB's to be great. You need a star at every level of your defense to be elite. Top 5 defenses from last year, all had pro bowl or all pro talent at every level. You have Bosa, Ingram, Hayward, and James, all pro bowl talents, but not enough to make your D elite. A pro bowl LB and you might be in the conversation. You have an opening at OLB so find your Mack and become elite.
BTW Suh is over the hill, did not do much even with Aaron Donald (the best defensive player in the league) next to him.
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Originally posted by baphamet View Postwhat about the best inside pass rusher in this years draft? any chance that could help? the chargers had no inside pass rush to disrupt brady, no healthy lb'ers, and a strong safety playing out of position getting burned all game long.
all of those things have been addressed yet you only want to talk about one LB'er we added? never mind the fact that 3 of our best LB'ers are now healthy, including the best one we have denzel perryman. none of them played in the pats game.
but yes, the only thing different is we brought in one LB'er........
you think tillery 30 tackles, 8 sacks, 10.5 TFL and 3FF showed more than
Q Williams 71 tackles, 19.5 TFL 8 sacks
tillery was considered any where from a 1st to 3rd round pick, and was red flagged by some teams for serious character concerns
he isn't even ranked as high as dre'mont jones whom was ranked by walter football as the 4th best DT in the draft and a 1st round talent
whom had 40 tackles, 8.5 sacks, 13 TFL, 2 passes batted, 1 FF, 1 int TD....and we got him in the 3rd round
perryman was no way your best LB, J brown was and he played in 15 games
you also lost a former or let walk a former 1st pick in Cory luiget, the midget 1st round cb verrett, LB kyle Emmanuel who was one of your seasons starting linebackerLast edited by arapaho; 05-08-2019, 02:13 PM.
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Originally posted by 58Miller View PostSave the your the only one who understands how to get to Brady.
Denver has beat Brady more than any team, and Pot, Roast (in 2013), Malik Jackson and Wolfe’s ability to collapse the pocket is why Denver is 2-0 in the Title game vs them.
Also, Baphs why do you think Tillery went in the late 20’s if he is the game changer you claim he is? ( note not smack just a question)
as far as your honest question goes, all i can do is speculate but there were a couple other DT's that are more well rounded than he is, but also there were consistency and immaturity concerns than stem from earlier in his college career.
in his freshman year he pulled a albert haynesworth and stomped on a guy's hand and helmet. he has interests outside of football that caused concern to some teams because he went overseas to study Japanese culture.
so out of the gate the dude is likely just to be out there during pass rushing downs because he has to develop the rest of his skill set, which lowered his draft stock. but from a pass rushing perspective (which is what the chargers need) the only other interior DT in this years draft that was comparable was quinnen williams who went 3rd overall in the draft.
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Originally posted by 58Miller View PostWhen you say division rivals almost always split and then I show you that’s not true with facts like Denver going 9-2 vs the Bolts then yes that completely crushes your argument.
You were the one who pointed to 2013 & 2014 ( Denver 4-1 vs the Chargers those two seasons)
Your said the 2014 Broncos split....... the lie detector test determined that was a lie.
Now your going all the way back to 1997 lol!!!!
Did Denver split with Oakland in 1995?, 1996? What about 98? Nope Elways last window the Broncos dominated Oakland 7-1 over 4 years.
Beating a better team in your division once out of 8 games is not a split.....😉
The Broncos have split with the Chargers in 2016&17 with Mclovin aka Siemien and last year with Keenum. 3-3. That is nothing like Denver vs Oakland in the late 90’s, fail!!!!
these are just examples.......the broncos could be the very worst team in the NFL and the chargers could go 15-1 and that one loss could go against the broncos and that would surprise nobody...
that actually happened in 2000, the worst chargers team of all time only won one game and that one game? they beat the 12-4 chiefs.....
you thinking this means anything is kind of mind blowing.
The original argument before you began your spin session was me asking you if the Bolts and their top 5 defense would finally sweep the Broncos, now it’s turned into Baphs going to other divisions and way back into time trying to sound smart instead of just accepting defeat.
Maybe with your teams two sure fire pro bowl additions in the draft you guys will sweep us for a change, with Flacco i doubt you have us even wining a game right?
i'm generally speaking, no matter what teams we are talking about there are upsets every single year in every single division. I couldn't care less about the broncos, they are not a threat in the division at the moment and the most likely scenario is we do sweep them. it wouldn't be bold to say the much more superior chargers team would sweep them but at the same time upsets happen in divisional games every single year, which is common knowledge.
if only you were able to grsap that concept literally everyone else understands. just because you split with us the last two seasons does not mean you are as good as us the last two seasons......just like the dolphins splitting with the patriots 3 out of the last 4 years does not mean they were just as good over that span.
do yourself a favor and use your brain more and your mouth less.
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Originally posted by baphamet View Post
that and there was no inside pass rush to disrupt brady, i don't think people understand the impact that will have if jerry tillery has success.
Denver has beat Brady more than any team, and Pot, Roast (in 2013), Malik Jackson and Wolfe’s ability to collapse the pocket is why Denver is 2-0 in the Title game vs them.
Also, Baphs why do you think Tillery went in the late 20’s if he is the game changer you claim he is? ( note not smack just a question)
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Originally posted by Spice 1 View PostThing about the Chargers though, is the main reason they got whipped so badly in the playoffs was because the Patriots took it to the interior of their defense. That's what they tried to address in the offseason. Titans probably won't sniff the playoffs, so it's really a non factor.
I agree about Trubisky. All signs point to him being better this year, though. I think a lot of QBs around the league would love playing for the Bears right now.
that and there was no inside pass rush to disrupt brady, i don't think people understand the impact that will have if jerry tillery has success.
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