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  • #91
    Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
    I remember Bill Bellichek not being able to stop Joe Flacco either that year.
    Bellichek allowed Flacco to score 28.
    Fangio’s defense did allow 27 but only 6 pts in the second half ( Jacoby Jones had a 108 kick return for a TD).

    Either way Vic is trending up, and I remember that Niners D disappearing when he left, and the Bears went from a d ranked in the 30’s to the top of the league.

    Niners top 5 defense in the league in 2011-2014
    Belichick has a track record of winning titles. Fangio does not.
    Super Bowl Wins: Brady - 6 Elway - 2 Manning - 2 (played well in none and took HGH)

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    • #92
      Originally posted by TommyBrady12 View Post
      Belichick has a track record of winning titles. Fangio does not.
      That's true. But Bellichek wasn’t available so we hired Fangio. Who had the leagues best Defense last year.

      Bellichek used his blueprint to shutdown the Rams
      Last edited by 58Miller; 08-26-2019, 06:10 PM.
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      • #93
        Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
        That's true. But Bellichek wasn’t available so we hired Fangio. Who had the leagues best Defense last year.

        Bellichek used his blueprint to shutdown the Rams
        I have no doubt fhe Doncos D will be better, bit whether it rises to lasf year’s Chicago Bears D is a different story. I don’t think the Broncos
        have the same pieces but we’ll see.
        Super Bowl Wins: Brady - 6 Elway - 2 Manning - 2 (played well in none and took HGH)

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        • #94
          Originally posted by bears6385 View Post
          Not seeing it, 6 or 7 wins.

          Agree Vic is probably a better HC than your last one, but then again he has never been in total charge before. I think Vic is a great DC but like Wade before him may well fail as an HC.

          Does not take much to be an upgrade over Keenum. Can Flacco still beat teams with his arm? He has been an average regular season QB for his whole career throwing double digit picks every year but 2018 when he lost his starting job to a rookie. What Flacco has to prove is that he can get his team back to the playoffs something he has not done since the 2014 season even with great defense to prop him up.

          Running game could have a very god 1-2 punch in Lindsay and Freeman.

          So with pretty much the same defense in place your Broncos are going to jump 12 spots in the standings this year? Not really seeing that either. Good, solid D, but not top 10.

          Your O has a long way to go with an average QB at the helm, OL has to step it up from last year, as said running game should be good, young receivers have to carry more of the load this season.

          In general Denver looks to be a third place team. In 2015 you had a great defense that carried the Broncos to a championship. In 2019 not so much, a good defense..... yes, great..... no.

          See you in week two.
          aww crap we play the Bears week 2??

          guess we start the season 1-1
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          • #95
            Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
            Ravens average 23.6 pts a game in the 9 games with Flacco last year. Denver with Keenum 20.6
            With our d and 24 pts a game we gonna won some games.

            The Bears were good last year but they only played 4 playoff teams.
            Beat Rams ( thanks to Fangio, O only managed 15 pts).
            Lost to the Pats
            Beat the Seahawks ( Denver beat Seattle as well)
            In the playoffs lost to Philly.
            This year they will play a first play schedule, I see them coming down to earth. And Bic knows what Trubisky struggles with 😉
            When you attempt to predict a teams schedule before the season starts it may very well look completely different by the end of the season. Last year at this time the Bears had 8 games against teams that had a winning record. Of those 2017 teams 5 games were against playoff teams. It was 2 games against the Vikings, then the Pats, Bills, and Rams, also 3 games against non-playoff teams the Seahawks and 2 against the Lions. In those games the Bears went 7-1, that is the main reason we ended up only playing 3 regular season games against playoff teams plus kicking the Viking to the curb to keep them out of the playoffs.

            Yes the Bears play a first place schedule, but no one can fully predict which 2018 playoff teams will fail in 2019. In the NFC.....will the Rams suffer a Super Bowl hangover, Will the Saints take a step back. Brees looked old and average over the last 6 weeks of the season, and into the playoffs. Can Dak overcome the drama and lead the Cowboys to the playoffs two years in a row. In Philly can Wentz stay healthy? Do the Seahawks have enough juice to jump ahead of the Rams, Will Trubisky make a second year leap in Nagy's offense and become a more consistent quarterback. The odds say 2 or 3 of these teams won't make the 2019 playoffs, who that will be is any ones guess.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by TommyBrady12 View Post
              I have no doubt fhe Doncos D will be better, bit whether it rises to lasf year’s Chicago Bears D is a different story. I don’t think the Broncos
              have the same pieces but we’ll see.
              really?

              Gotsis >hicks
              Harris>goldman
              wolfe> Nichols

              von/chubb>>>mack/Floyd

              CHJ<>fuller
              kareem>dix
              Jackson><simmons
              Callahan<>prince

              if you look at the production of guys like fuller, dix and prince you will see a huge upswing in PD and INTs with Mack coming to town coached by an aggressive DC....they will still have mack, but coached by one year DC pagano...I don't know in what fools world anybody thinks pagano is equal too Fangio as a DC

              the same as if you look at the drop off in wolfe with DC wade to woods...2015,16 73 solo, 11 sacks to DC woods in 2017,18...49 solo, 3.5 sack

              a good DC makes a hell of a differance

              the only real advantage the bears have is at ILB
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              • #97
                Originally posted by arapaho View Post
                really?

                Gotsis >hicks
                Harris>goldman
                wolfe> Nichols

                von/chubb>>>mack/Floyd

                CHJ<>fuller
                kareem>dix
                Jackson><simmons
                Callahan<>prince

                if you look at the production of guys like fuller, dix and prince you will see a huge upswing in PD and INTs with Mack coming to town coached by an aggressive DC....they will still have mack, but coached by one year DC pagano...I don't know in what fools world anybody thinks pagano is equal too Fangio as a DC

                the same as if you look at the drop off in wolfe with DC wade to woods...2015,16 73 solo, 11 sacks to DC woods in 2017,18...49 solo, 3.5 sack

                a good DC makes a hell of a differance

                the only real advantage the bears have is at ILB
                I think the broncos will find a good value at ILB here in the next couple of weeks with all the camp cuts.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by bears6385 View Post
                  When you attempt to predict a teams schedule before the season starts it may very well look completely different by the end of the season. Last year at this time the Bears had 8 games against teams that had a winning record. Of those 2017 teams 5 games were against playoff teams. It was 2 games against the Vikings, then the Pats, Bills, and Rams, also 3 games against non-playoff teams the Seahawks and 2 against the Lions. In those games the Bears went 7-1, that is the main reason we ended up only playing 3 regular season games against playoff teams plus kicking the Viking to the curb to keep them out of the playoffs.

                  Yes the Bears play a first place schedule, but no one can fully predict which 2018 playoff teams will fail in 2019. In the NFC.....will the Rams suffer a Super Bowl hangover, Will the Saints take a step back. Brees looked old and average over the last 6 weeks of the season, and into the playoffs. Can Dak overcome the drama and lead the Cowboys to the playoffs two years in a row. In Philly can Wentz stay healthy? Do the Seahawks have enough juice to jump ahead of the Rams, Will Trubisky make a second year leap in Nagy's offense and become a more consistent quarterback. The odds say 2 or 3 of these teams won't make the 2019 playoffs, who that will be is any ones guess.
                  Overall, I like your reasonable thinking. For us, when any team has for the most part drastic changes from the previous year, coaches, players, etc. and certainly a teams schedule outside their division, NOBODY really can predict with total accuracy what will happen. Everyone thinks they know what positive and negative dynamics/events will happen before game one of the season even takes place, especially BAPH!

                  Sometimes big changes to a team make a difference of having a really good season or a complete bust like the Broncos had the last two years. Let's all wait and see what transpires over the course of the first five games of the season. We Bronco fans will definitely be on the edge of our seats the first five games @Oakland, Chicago, @Green Bay, Jacksonville, @Chargers. Pretty tough test for a revamped Bronco team. NOBODY knows with certainty how those five games will play out. NOBODY! Who shows up to play, who doesn't. Who will make bonehead mistakes who doesn't. A total guessing game, IMO.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by arapaho View Post
                    really?

                    Gotsis >hicks
                    Harris>goldman
                    wolfe> Nichols

                    von/chubb>>>mack/Floyd

                    CHJ<>fuller
                    kareem>dix
                    Jackson><simmons
                    Callahan<>prince

                    if you look at the production of guys like fuller, dix and prince you will see a huge upswing in PD and INTs with Mack coming to town coached by an aggressive DC....they will still have mack, but coached by one year DC pagano...I don't know in what fools world anybody thinks pagano is equal too Fangio as a DC

                    the same as if you look at the drop off in wolfe with DC wade to woods...2015,16 73 solo, 11 sacks to DC woods in 2017,18...49 solo, 3.5 sack

                    a good DC makes a hell of a differance

                    the only real advantage the bears have is at ILB
                    We'll see if Fangio makes that much of a difference. But based on last year, Denver's D was not that good while Chicago's was. I suspect Chicago D will take a bit of a hit without Fangio, but not sure how much, and Denver D will improve slightly. I don't think Denver will be a top 3 defense though.
                    Last edited by TommyBrady12; 08-28-2019, 08:04 AM.
                    Super Bowl Wins: Brady - 6 Elway - 2 Manning - 2 (played well in none and took HGH)

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                    • Originally posted by TommyBrady12 View Post
                      We'll see if Fangio makes that much of a difference. But based on last year, Denver's D was not that good while Chicago's was. I suspect Chicago D will take a bit of a hit without Fangio, but not sure how much, and Denver D will improve slightly. I don't think Denver will be a top 3 defense though.
                      the biggest weakness last year were

                      1. secondary
                      2. coaching

                      Callahan, Kareem, yiadom,, craven

                      is heads above pacman, t brock, roby and stewart

                      and there is nowhere on earth that anyone would consider joe woods and his two miserable seasons as DC a better defensive coach than Fangio

                      in 2015-16 the defensive secondary gave up

                      13 tds...and a qb rate of 69.7
                      19 tds and a qb rateing of 78.8

                      under Joe woods 2017-2018
                      26 tds and a qb rating of 91.9
                      29 tds and a qb rating of 90.7

                      clearly the coaching and seconday were a weakness
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                      • Originally posted by arapaho View Post
                        the biggest weakness last year were

                        1. secondary
                        2. coaching

                        Callahan, Kareem, yiadom,, craven

                        is heads above pacman, t brock, roby and stewart

                        and there is nowhere on earth that anyone would consider joe woods and his two miserable seasons as DC a better defensive coach than Fangio

                        in 2015-16 the defensive secondary gave up

                        13 tds...and a qb rate of 69.7
                        19 tds and a qb rateing of 78.8

                        under Joe woods 2017-2018
                        26 tds and a qb rating of 91.9
                        29 tds and a qb rating of 90.7

                        clearly the coaching and seconday were a weakness
                        your biggest weakness last year and this year is the OB position. if the broncos even had a decent starter they would be a borderline playoff team.
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                        • Originally posted by baphamet View Post
                          your biggest weakness last year and this year is the OB position. if the broncos even had a decent starter they would be a borderline playoff team.
                          care to stick to the subject...we are talking defense

                          and yes the offense was an issue with case, who was terrified of opening up the passing game and the predictable vanilla play calling and offensive scheme

                          no matter what you state as you cry about..."your just looking at melvins stats not anything else"
                          you condemn flacco without looking at the surrounding issues. like a lack of talent around him, a coach hell bent on winning by defense

                          flacco is a better more experienced qb than keenum, now with a better oline, better wrs, better rbs and fresh offense scheme the offense as a whole will be better
                          Last edited by arapaho; 08-28-2019, 11:29 AM.
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                          • Originally posted by baphamet View Post
                            your biggest weakness last year and this year is the OB position. if the broncos even had a decent starter they would be a borderline playoff team.
                            Phony crystal ball time,again!
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                            • Originally posted by jazzbodog View Post
                              Phony crystal ball time,again!
                              you don't need a crystal ball to know what kind of QB flacco is. is he going to magically become a QB that he hasn't been over the last 6 or 7 years?
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                              • Originally posted by arapaho View Post
                                care to stick to the subject...we are talking defense

                                and yes the offense was an issue with case, who was terrified of opening up the passing game and the predictable vanilla play calling and offensive scheme

                                no matter what you state as you cry about..."your just looking at melvins stats not anything else"
                                you condemn flacco without looking at the surrounding issues. like a lack of talent around him, a coach hell bent on winning by defense

                                flacco is a better more experienced qb than keenum, now with a better oline, better wrs, better rbs and fresh offense scheme the offense as a whole will be better
                                in terms of winning, flacco has had better support over the years than most QB's have. hes had really good defenses, hes had good running game, hes had good pass protection.

                                the ravens absolutely have a better OL than the broncos, it was better last year and it's very likely to be better this year as well. where the hell do you get your homer ideas from?

                                you also have no idea if the scheme will be better, it could be better, or......it could be worse for the running game as you have a rookie OC who could end up terrible.

                                enough of the puke orange koolaid, the season is about to start and thus reality will soon start to set in.
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