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  • arapaho
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    Originally posted by baphamet View Post
    you brought it up, not me. you tried to talk smack to me about when i said he was one of the best under pressure in 2017 and 2018. i posted the proof and now you want to act like pass protection doesn't matter because if you're one of the best against pressure at some point, then why mention bad OL play when rivers is struggling 1-2 years later?

    you're literally saying pass protection should not matter if you're good against pressure, that's idiotic.

    but do keep bringing things up from years ago to divert attention away from your foolish and ignorant football opinions, like a woman scorned. the damage has been done already arapaho, you are better off just moving on and letting this one die off.
    awwwwww did I butt hurt you back then...is that the problem today?

    im sorry bap I wont be mean to your ludicrous smack no more!!

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  • arapaho
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    Originally posted by baphamet View Post
    oh so you beat a team the caliber of the packers then? that's what you get when the OL actually does it's job and the entire team plays to their potential. they have the potential to beat anyone if they are on their game, unlike the donkos who just know how to beat the chargers, congrats!



    except one of them has hof stats and is 122-96 as a starter

    the other has inferior stats and is 90-123-1 as a starter.

    VT has thrown almost as many TD's as he has int's (275/267)

    rivers? (388/188)

    VT also played like 20 years in the NFL vs rivers' 13 and he still has 33 less wins than rivers, 118 less TD's, 12k less yards, but has 81 more int's

    yet, you mean to tell me rivers is just "slightly" better than VT?

    just like ive said several times here, you clearly DO NOT know QB's. all the QB's you have supported in denver that have been straight trash except manning, it makes sense that you would think this way. you have no idea what you're talking about and if rivers is just slightly better than VT, then that must mean dan marino is just slightly better than rivers?

    one things for sure, rivers is a hell of a lot closer to marino than he is VT. the only thing he has in common with VT is they both lack a ring (same as marino) and have/had weird throwing mechanics, that's it.



    the broncos have not suffered 3 losing seasons in a row since the merger, that is an absolute fact and that happened under elway's watch. the broncos are 23-35 since manning retired after winning the SB. that sure as hell didn't happen when elway retired in the same exact manner, did it?



    the chargers beat aaron rodgers, mostly because of their defense. not even remotely scared of your pisspoor offense. the broncos defense has always played us tough, ever since von has been there. plus our offense has definitely taken a step back this season, that has nothing to do with your team.

    when we play you again, we will be coming off the bye and will possibly have derwin james back. the chargers also didn't have ingram on the other side of bosa in that game, either.

    as far as you crying racism, i'm more than 20% Sioux and i know ive told you that before. if you can't handle me giving you a little crap, if it bothers you so much, report my post to the mods. i would never tell you to put the peace pipe down, id tell, you to pick it up. i own more than one of them and hit them on the daily!

    you beat the packers...and arron Rodgers criticized his team for partaking in too much LA night life before a important game



    lmao it has nothing to do with my team ...the team that you swore you would sweep?...didn't we have a bet about that

    I know I offered it multiple times...cant recall if you had the guts to back up your insistence that theres no way the bolts lose to the broncos

    the fact is you have a very good chance of being swept by this team

    so you think its because you didn't have Melvin??

    well we didn't have Chubb and we lost our starting RCB Bausby in that game also and still held your offense to 2 fgs


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  • baphamet
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    Originally posted by arapaho View Post
    lmao and your still not getting it...nobody cared whether freeney taught him, or the ghost of deacon jones did, or if he came out of the womb spinning for all he was worth


    it was your absurd insistence that it was rare and vintage and hardly seen anymore


    just like now....you can put up any obscure state you want about him being so great under pressure...I don't care

    until you start crying about the oline not giving poor peelip enough time to be effective

    then im gonna bring up the fact you keep insisting hes so great beating pressure and the blitz
    you brought it up, not me. you tried to talk smack to me about when i said he was one of the best under pressure in 2017 and 2018. i posted the proof and now you want to act like pass protection doesn't matter because if you're one of the best against pressure at some point, then why mention bad OL play when rivers is struggling 1-2 years later?

    you're literally saying pass protection should not matter if you're good against pressure, that's idiotic.

    but do keep bringing things up from years ago to divert attention away from your foolish and ignorant football opinions, like a woman scorned. the damage has been done already arapaho, you are better off just moving on and letting this one die off.

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  • baphamet
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    Originally posted by arapaho View Post
    Just like the broncos must be the better team now too right, despite the record, since we had no trouble beating the chargers, we haven’t had the luxury of playing scrub teams like the fins
    ( other then the chargers)
    oh so you beat a team the caliber of the packers then? that's what you get when the OL actually does it's job and the entire team plays to their potential. they have the potential to beat anyone if they are on their game, unlike the donkos who just know how to beat the chargers, congrats!

    And I watched vinny play, I watched rivers play ... that’s why I said rivers is just a little bit better vinny
    All regular season stats and nothing else
    except one of them has hof stats and is 122-96 as a starter

    the other has inferior stats and is 90-123-1 as a starter.

    VT has thrown almost as many TD's as he has int's (275/267)

    rivers? (388/188)

    VT also played like 20 years in the NFL vs rivers' 13 and he still has 33 less wins than rivers, 118 less TD's, 12k less yards, but has 81 more int's

    yet, you mean to tell me rivers is just "slightly" better than VT?

    just like ive said several times here, you clearly DO NOT know QB's. all the QB's you have supported in denver that have been straight trash except manning, it makes sense that you would think this way. you have no idea what you're talking about and if rivers is just slightly better than VT, then that must mean dan marino is just slightly better than rivers?

    one things for sure, rivers is a hell of a lot closer to marino than he is VT. the only thing he has in common with VT is they both lack a ring (same as marino) and have/had weird throwing mechanics, that's it.

    The worst bronco team? Not even close
    This team is closer to being a top team than a bottom team despite the record , and that’s without a QB all year or for the past three years.... you couldn’t beat us let alone score a offensive TD on us at your house... AND THATS WITH FLACCO !!
    the broncos have not suffered 3 losing seasons in a row since the merger, that is an absolute fact and that happened under elway's watch. the broncos are 23-35 since manning retired after winning the SB. that sure as hell didn't happen when elway retired in the same exact manner, did it?

    Allen might be inexperienced, but you couldn’t beat Flacco what makes you think you can beat the Broncos with a Qb that can actually move

    A vision quest... is that it your resorting to racial smack ? Surprised you didn’t say put down the peace pipe Squanto

    Clearly you lost

    Oh did I mention Eli will go in the HoF before rivers is considered ... hows that feel
    the chargers beat aaron rodgers, mostly because of their defense. not even remotely scared of your pisspoor offense. the broncos defense has always played us tough, ever since von has been there. plus our offense has definitely taken a step back this season, that has nothing to do with your team.

    when we play you again, we will be coming off the bye and will possibly have derwin james back. the chargers also didn't have ingram on the other side of bosa in that game, either.

    as far as you crying racism, i'm more than 20% Sioux and i know ive told you that before. if you can't handle me giving you a little crap, if it bothers you so much, report my post to the mods. i would never tell you to put the peace pipe down, id tell, you to pick it up. i own more than one of them and hit them on the daily!

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  • arapaho
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    Originally posted by baphamet View Post
    i literally posted a video of ingram saying he did

    why would he even need to make that statment if everyone knows it ans has been doing it? von miller has said the same thing in fact.

    i also said that the spin move isn't used as much as it used to due to speed rushing, a fact that still holds true today. why are we even talking about this though? are you bringing it up because i just put you and your lack of football knowledge on full display?




    your original response was it came from pff, go read your own post again and try to weasel your way out of it some more.

    but this is just more proof that you think pass protection shouldn't matter if you're good vs pressure, that's literally what you're saying here. it's about as ignorant as you can get. pass protection matters to every single QB who has ever played the game. pressure does not all come at 2.5-3 seconds after the snap, sometimes it can come much faster, before the play is allowed to develop.

    I also said rivers has taken a step back and isn't as good this year, but you ignore that because that doesn't fit your narrative that i'm just making excuses.

    the bottom line is you tried to talk smack to me when i said he was one of the best under pressure a couple years ago, you brought that up, not me. when i proved it was a statement based off an actual fact, now you wanna take the debate into a new direction, naturally.

    you and your football "knowledge" has be wrecked, so has your credibility. do better my man.


    lmao and your still not getting it...nobody cared whether freeney taught him, or the ghost of deacon jones did, or if he came out of the womb spinning for all he was worth


    it was your absurd insistence that it was rare and vintage and hardly seen anymore


    just like now....you can put up any obscure state you want about him being so great under pressure...I don't care

    until you start crying about the oline not giving poor peelip enough time to be effective

    then im gonna bring up the fact you keep insisting hes so great beating pressure and the blitz

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  • baphamet
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    Originally posted by arapaho View Post
    and again...just like when you opened your mouth and said...freeny tought Melvin the spin move which is rare and vintage, you hardly see it anymore

    we laughed and laughed at the rare and vintage, and the hardly see it aany more prt


    you kept insisting freeny did teach it to him and kept posting articles about freeney teaching the " spin move"

    freeney teaching wasn't the problem. nobody cared about that!!
    it was the joke that the pass rush spin move was rare and vintage
    i literally posted a video of ingram saying he did

    why would he even need to make that statment if everyone knows it ans has been doing it? von miller has said the same thing in fact.

    i also said that the spin move isn't used as much as it used to due to speed rushing, a fact that still holds true today. why are we even talking about this though? are you bringing it up because i just put you and your lack of football knowledge on full display?


    and now you keep posting proof that Rivers was some GOD like Anti pressure machine....that isn't the point

    who cares if PFF said it...im not disputing it, never was

    what im saying is if rivers is so good as you claim at beating the blitz, beating pressure

    then quit crying about the OLINE!!!!
    your original response was it came from pff, go read your own post again and try to weasel your way out of it some more.

    but this is just more proof that you think pass protection shouldn't matter if you're good vs pressure, that's literally what you're saying here. it's about as ignorant as you can get. pass protection matters to every single QB who has ever played the game. pressure does not all come at 2.5-3 seconds after the snap, sometimes it can come much faster, before the play is allowed to develop.

    I also said rivers has taken a step back and isn't as good this year, but you ignore that because that doesn't fit your narrative that i'm just making excuses.

    the bottom line is you tried to talk smack to me when i said he was one of the best under pressure a couple years ago, you brought that up, not me. when i proved it was a statement based off an actual fact, now you wanna take the debate into a new direction, naturally.

    you and your football "knowledge" has be wrecked, so has your credibility. do better my man.
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  • arapaho
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    Originally posted by baphamet View Post
    since you first started saying that last year he's beat mahomes, ben, and rodgers, he's had a lot of 4th quarter comebacks and game winning drives and when his team's backs are against the wall that's when they play at their best.

    go look at phil's record in December, when his team is trying to make the playoffs. he's been good in those pressure situations at times. at the end of games he has made some bad throws trying to force things that were not there at times as well.

    by the way, any "chargers fan" that claimed he was in the MVP race after that GB game is an ignorant fool. rivers has taken a step back this season and is starting to regress but if you have watched the chargers this season, you cannot deny the difference in rivers when the OL has blocked decent vs how they have blocked most of the year, like in the raiders game.

    that OL made one of the worst pass rushing defenses look amazing, which i have been arguing is their main issue on offense right now. they have been starting a tackle that seriously has no business starting in the NFL, i don't think ive seen one worse, on the chargers at least.
    has your oline given up 6 sacks...how about 8?...how about a oline giving up 3 or more sacks in 6 of 10 games

    you whine about your oline as if the broncos don't have oline issues all season, our high priced RT has played less than 2 qrters this entire season....he is heads and tails above better,than the back up but whn he doesn't play its a hit

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  • arapaho
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    Originally posted by baphamet View Post
    LOL sure man, when you don't understand football and never watch the games you win every argument, don't you?

    you tried to talk smack to me because i said rivers was one of the best under pressure a couple years ago, i posted factual data backing it up.


    https://www.pff.com/news/pro-the-nfl...under-pressure

    oh wait, i forgot. that's a pff article so they must be lying?

    or how about you tried to claim that okung played in the raiders game because he was in the game log but you didn't watch the game or you would know he went out on the very first drive.

    you also claimed the chargers pass blocking is no worse than the broncos (even though you don't watch the games) yet i provided proof that's definitely not the case.



    https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-week-10...lyst-takeaways

    more lies from pff i take it?

    you really make the argument that pff isn't credible because you apparently don't know the difference between player grades and factual data, but the garbage smack you run about games you don't watch is? GTHOH with that dumb ass nonsense!

    oh and to top it off, you honestly think that if a player is good against pressure like rivers has been at times in his career, that the OL should not matter. as if all pressure happens at the same time and if you're good against pressure it shouldn't matter. the fact that you think that's a contradiction really shows your football ignorance.

    you are not winning any arguments here arapaho except for in your own delusional mind, you're accomplishing nothing except making yourself look like a damn fool and wasting my time.

    STOP WASTING MY TIME AND ACTUALLY WATCH THE GAME OF FOOTBALL BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR FOOTBALL IGNORANT MOUTH.


    and again...just like when you opened your mouth and said...freeny tought Melvin the spin move which is rare and vintage, you hardly see it anymore

    we laughed and laughed at the rare and vintage, and the hardly see it aany more prt


    you kept insisting freeny did teach it to him and kept posting articles about freeney teaching the " spin move"

    freeney teaching wasn't the problem. nobody cared about that!!
    it was the joke that the pass rush spin move was rare and vintage


    and now you keep posting proof that Rivers was some GOD like Anti pressure machine....that isn't the point

    who cares if PFF said it...im not disputing it, never was

    what im saying is if rivers is so good as you claim at beating the blitz, beating pressure

    then quit crying about the OLINE!!!!

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  • arapaho
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    Originally posted by baphamet View Post
    my "excuse" will be that the chiefs are a better team right now. no you don't watch the games or the players you claim to know so much about, that much has already been proven.




    so you didn't go look up the stats then? how come? is it because it doesn't suit your narrative that rivers is just slightly better than VT?

    you're so predictable arapaho, always quick to post the stats to formulate your argument until it doesn't support your argument.

    what's your excuse for elway putting together the worst broncos team since the merger? oh yeah only the wins matter, the losses are someone else's fault lol

    you're a straight up joke anymore, maybe you should go on a vision quest to find your smack again because you definitely lost it somewhere.....hope you find it man!
    Just like the broncos must be the better team now too right, despite the record, since we had no trouble beating the chargers, we haven’t had the luxury of playing scrub teams like the fins
    ( other then the chargers)

    And I watched vinny play, I watched rivers play ... that’s why I said rivers is just a little bit better vinny
    All regular season stats and nothing else

    The worst bronco team? Not even close
    This team is closer to being a top team than a bottom team despite the record , and that’s without a QB all year or for the past three years.... you couldn’t beat us let alone score a offensive TD on us at your house... AND THATS WITH FLACCO !!

    Allen might be inexperienced, but you couldn’t beat Flacco what makes you think you can beat the Broncos with a Qb that can actually move

    A vision quest... is that it your resorting to racial smack ? Surprised you didn’t say put down the peace pipe Squanto

    Clearly you lost

    Oh did I mention Eli will go in the HoF before rivers is considered ... hows that feel

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  • baphamet
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    Originally posted by arapaho View Post
    I watch the games every week liar every week, im just wondering if you lose to the vunerable chiefs tonight what will your excuse be
    my "excuse" will be that the chiefs are a better team right now. no you don't watch the games or the players you claim to know so much about, that much has already been proven.


    cant be the oline because rivers is A #1 against pressure
    cant be rivers because the oline sucks balls
    cant be telesco because he built a championship quality team...despite the 25-34 record over the last 3.5 seasons
    cant be the scheme because they fired the OC
    cant be injuries because every team has them

    whats funny is eli manning will be elected to the HOF before rivers ever will
    so you didn't go look up the stats then? how come? is it because it doesn't suit your narrative that rivers is just slightly better than VT?

    you're so predictable arapaho, always quick to post the stats to formulate your argument until it doesn't support your argument.

    what's your excuse for elway putting together the worst broncos team since the merger? oh yeah only the wins matter, the losses are someone else's fault lol

    you're a straight up joke anymore, maybe you should go on a vision quest to find your smack again because you definitely lost it somewhere.....hope you find it man!

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  • arapaho
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    Originally posted by baphamet View Post
    Coming from a dude that doesn’t even watch the games but just looks at stat sheets.

    Why don’t you compare their stat sheets like everything else?

    VT doesn’t even have a winning record he’s 90-123 as a starter, the opposite end of the spectrum from rivers.

    Are you trying to make yourself look like a fool around here?
    I watch the games every week liar every week, im just wondering if you lose to the vunerable chiefs tonight what will your excuse be


    cant be the oline because rivers is A #1 against pressure
    cant be rivers because the oline sucks balls
    cant be telesco because he built a championship quality team...despite the 25-34 record over the last 3.5 seasons
    cant be the scheme because they fired the OC
    cant be injuries because every team has them

    whats funny is eli manning will be elected to the HOF before rivers ever will

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  • baphamet
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    Originally posted by arapaho View Post
    And zero signature wins
    Like elway “ the drive”

    No MVP

    No AFC championships

    No Lombardi’

    He’s just a slightly better vinny testeverde
    Coming from a dude that doesn’t even watch the games but just looks at stat sheets.

    Why don’t you compare their stat sheets like everything else?

    VT doesn’t even have a winning record he’s 90-123 as a starter, the opposite end of the spectrum from rivers.

    Are you trying to make yourself look like a fool around here?

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  • arapaho
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    Originally posted by baphamet View Post
    go ahead and read that post again, that underlined isn't even close to being true.

    rivers won 12 games last year dude.

    rivers is 122-96 over 13 years of starting.

    that is better than a lot of HOF QB's
    And zero signature wins
    Like elway “ the drive”

    No MVP

    No AFC championships

    No Lombardi’

    He’s just a slightly better vinny testeverde

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  • baphamet
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    Originally posted by atwaterandstir View Post
    Big picture?
    You just said Rivers has the wins, the TDs and the yards to make the HOF, then in the same breath you blame everyone else for the failures.

    And of course you have been critical AT TIMES.....just like last week there was no other choice but to criticize his poor showing. In the past decade Rivers has what -one playoff win and one 10 win season? His passing stats are indicative of a long healthy career. There have been a few outliers but a perrenial 7-9 win qb is who he is. Lack of quality wins and his late game legacy are every bit as much his as these supposed HOF stats. Its long past time to keep hoping next year's oline will be the one.
    go ahead and read that post again, that underlined isn't even close to being true.

    rivers won 12 games last year dude.

    rivers is 122-96 over 13 years of starting.

    that is better than a lot of HOF QB's

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  • atwaterandstir
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    Originally posted by baphamet View Post
    ive criticized his play at times in the past when its been warranted, all you have to do is do a simple search of the threads ive made about it. also, no its' not just the OL and rivers isn't always innocent either, if the OL is even mediocre that's good enough and has been good enough at times.

    up until this year the pass protection hasn't been terrible, it was the run blocking that was horrible. but again, if you want to simply blame rivers for everything without actually looking at the big picture, then there really isn't much hope for you to ever understand.

    ill give you just a few examples of what i'm talking about that has nothing to do with OL.

    rivers gets blamed for choking in the playoffs in 2006, 2007, and 2009.

    in 2006 that game was won and over when marlon mcree intercepted tom brady but foolishly tried to run the ball back and fumbled it back to the pats. in 2007 he can barely walk due to two knee injuries and had no business playing in that game. yet he looses to the undefeated pats on the road but somehow he's just not good under pressure and choked?

    2009, the chargers lose 14-17. their kicker at the time missed 2 kicks all season, he missed 3 kicks in that game alone. yet rivers is the one who choked.

    again, i'm not saying rivers hasn't choked or that he doesn't deserve blame for losing in some of these "pressure situations" but lets have an honest debate about this rather than just saying he cant perform in pressure situations without looking at the big picture.
    Big picture?
    You just said Rivers has the wins, the TDs and the yards to make the HOF, then in the same breath you blame everyone else for the failures.

    And of course you have been critical AT TIMES.....just like last week there was no other choice but to criticize his poor showing. In the past decade Rivers has what -one playoff win and one 10 win season? His passing stats are indicative of a long healthy career. There have been a few outliers but a perrenial 7-9 win qb is who he is. Lack of quality wins and his late game legacy are every bit as much his as these supposed HOF stats. Its long past time to keep hoping next year's oline will be the one.

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