Herbert and Wilson and whatever is playing in Vegas all suck

[Han Solo]

Love you losers! Happy summer.

[baphamet]

Love you losers! Happy summer.

you know what sucks more? Jackson mahomes when he's getting punked in prison.

[Han Solo]

you know what sucks more? Jackson mahomes when he's getting punked in prison.

Jackson is a complete dbag and still has been to more super bowls than herbert

[Spice 1]

Jackson is a complete dbag and still has been to more super bowls than herbert

That's because Brandon Staley sucks harder than Andy Reid at Smoothie King. He's a defensive coach and the Charges refuse to tackle running backs regardless of who Telesco puts on the roster. You'll find out how good your team really is when Reid's selling Nutrisystem for a living.

[Han Solo]

That's because Brandon Staley sucks harder than Andy Reid at Smoothie King. He's a defensive coach and the Charges refuse to tackle running backs regardless of who Telesco puts on the roster. You'll find out how good your team really is when Reid's selling Nutrisystem for a living.

Blaming the coach? Always funny when the forklift driver from sea world thinks they know the team better than the coach.

[Spice 1]

Blaming the coach? Always funny when the forklift driver from sea world thinks they know the team better than the coach.

Maybe you should root for a team that doesn't have a walrus for a head coach.

[WeHaveHerbert]

Love you losers! Happy summer.

Herbert is one poor Gerald Everett route from leading the Chargers to a 3-0 record at Arrowhead. Honestly, had he not been shackled by Anthony Lynn and then Joe Lombardi, the Chargers under Herbert would be 6-0 against the Chiefs even with so many of their good players missing a number of those games. The physical reality is that Herbert is bigger and faster, and is a stronger, more accurate QB who throws a better ball than Mahomes does. Simply put, his ceiling is higher than that of Mahomes as Herbert has a bigger and better engine.

Moore is a proven play caller and the team added two wide receivers with deep speed and brought one back. Unlike Lombardi, Moore understands the importance of marrying the run to the pass and the role that chunk plays have in offensive production.

Absolutely all of these developments play right into Herbert's primary strengths, so assuming the players pick up the new system and Johnston is as good as expected, there is good reason to believe that the offense just might be a lot better than it was under Lombardi.

I still hate that Staley's defense invites opponents to keep possession of the ball with the running game, which is the exact opposite of what a team's defense should be doing when it has a QB like Herbert, but that problem will not be fixed until Staley gets fired.

[Han Solo]

Herbert is one poor Gerald Everett route from leading the Chargers to a 3-0 record at Arrowhead. Honestly, had he not been shackled by Anthony Lynn and then Joe Lombardi, the Chargers under Herbert would be 6-0 against the Chiefs even with so many of their good players missing a number of those games. The physical reality is that Herbert is bigger and faster, and is a stronger, more accurate QB who throws a better ball than Mahomes does. Simply put, his ceiling is higher than that of Mahomes as Herbert has a bigger and better engine.

Moore is a proven play caller and the team added two wide receivers with deep speed and brought one back. Unlike Lombardi, Moore understands the importance of marrying the run to the pass and the role that chunk plays have in offensive production.

Absolutely all of these developments play right into Herbert's primary strengths, so assuming the players pick up the new system and Johnston is as good as expected, there is good reason to believe that the offense just might be a lot better than it was under Lombardi.

I still hate that Staley's defense invites opponents to keep possession of the ball with the running game, which is the exact opposite of what a team's defense should be doing when it has a QB like Herbert, but that problem will not be fixed until Staley gets fired.

I know I know.. on paper the chargers are the best at everything, you have made that clear year after year after year.



Do the chargers' executives have their own offices? Or do they use the empty desks after the Rams people go home for the day?

I just find it funny when someone pretends to out smart a coach that spends about 70 hours a week thinking about a team that he watches practice and train for 40 hours a week. There is no one on the planet better prepared to lead the team than the coach, yet most of the country believes they know better.

[baphamet]

That's because Brandon Staley sucks harder than Andy Reid at Smoothie King. He's a defensive coach and the Charges refuse to tackle running backs regardless of who Telesco puts on the roster. You'll find out how good your team really is when Reid's selling Nutrisystem for a living.

I really wish I could dispute this but until proven otherwise, you're right. I will say that the offense is going to shock some folks this season, a top 5 offense with a god knows what defense.

[baphamet]

Do the chargers' executives have their own offices? Or do they use the empty desks after the Rams people go home for the day?

do you think teams practice and do their business at the stadium?

[baphamet]

Blaming the coach? Always funny when the forklift driver from sea world thinks they know the team better than the coach.

whos fault is it? IMO you have to blame Staley at this point. sure, there were injuries but this defense should easily be top 10 and stopping the run is one of the major factors it isn't..

[WeHaveHerbert]

I know I know.. on paper the chargers are the best at everything, you have made that clear year after year after year.



Do the chargers' executives have their own offices? Or do they use the empty desks after the Rams people go home for the day?

I just find it funny when someone pretends to out smart a coach that spends about 70 hours a week thinking about a team that he watches practice and train for 40 hours a week. There is no one on the planet better prepared to lead the team than the coach, yet most of the country believes they know better.

No, not just on paper. Herbert is physically superior to Mahomes in terms of size, speed and he throws better, more accurate passes than Mahomes throws in reality. All you need is eyes and a stopwatch to see that that is true in reality.

Also, what you characterize as "outsmarting a coach" is in reality a purely mathematical analysis based upon certain assumptions. I am sure that Staley understands football techniques better than I do. However, he does not get to create his own rules when it comes to mathematics.

The mathematical analysis is really quite simple. If you assume defenses of equal strength, but that your offense is better than your opponent's in terms of expected points per drive, then you want a game that has more offensive possessions because that should allow the expected point difference to become more pronounced. The worst of all worlds in that situation is an offensive scheme that tends to limit possessions coupled with a defensive scheme that also tends to limit possessions, which is exactly what the Chargers have had under Staley to this point.

Such a combination also tends to produce more close games, so it no surprise that the Chargers played in 12 one possession games in the 2022 regular season.

[WeHaveHerbert]

whos fault is it? IMO you have to blame Staley at this point. sure, there were injuries but this defense should easily be top 10 and stopping the run is one of the major factors it isn't..

Regarding the defense, Staley gets some blame for using a scheme that employs light boxes by design and campaigning for small, light, soft players like Fox who are liabilities in the ground game.

Telesco gets some blame for reaching for players as he did with JT Woods, whose inability to tackle makes him essentially useless as a defensive NFL player and a waste of a third round pick. No publicly available resource that I saw had Woods as a 3rd round guy. Maybe that should have told Telesco something, especially after his double reach in the same round of the 2021 draft for semi-bust Palmer and full bust McKitty. Telesco is also the guy that failed to re-sign Perryman (hammer against the run), White, Tranquill, Jenkins (pretty good FS/SS, pretty good against the run) and Nwosu (good EDGE player, good against the run).

[baphamet]

Regarding the defense, Staley gets some blame for using a scheme that employs light boxes by design and campaigning for small, light, soft players like Fox who are liabilities in the ground game.

fox is their best interior pass rusher and is very good at what he does in the scheme. they have bigger run stuffers and I don't think their issues stopping the run is mainly an interior DL issue like others think it is but that's just my opinion.

a lot of their issues stopping the run is on the perimeter of the defense. teams were gashing us on the edge because guys couldn't tackle and LB'er were taking bad angles.

Austin johnson was also injured most of the year when it comes to the IDL and run stuffing. I don't think the issue there was personnel as much as coaching, other than at LB'er and ASjr playing on the outside instead of the slot. hopefully, Jackson has a good comeback and pushes him inside.

Telesco gets some blame for reaching for players as he did with JT Woods, whose inability to tackle makes him essentially useless as a defensive NFL player and a waste of a third round pick. No publicly available resource that I saw had Woods as a 3rd round guy. Maybe that should have told Telesco something, especially after his double reach in the same round of the 2021 draft for semi-bust Palmer and full bust McKitty. Telesco is also the guy that failed to re-sign Perryman (hammer against the run), White, Tranquill, Jenkins (pretty good FS/SS, pretty good against the run) and Nwosu (good EDGE player, good against the run).

TT does get blame for bad decisions but it's not like he's blindly picking guys he thinks might fit without input from Staley. everyone knew woods had tackling issues, I haven't given up on him yet, just like I haven't given up on Spiller after just one season.

all of those other LB'ers you mentioned very likely would have been brought back if Staley wanted them except maybe Perryman, who misses a lot of games. it's pretty well known that Staley does not value off-the-ball linebackers in his system.

but yeah, telesco does deserve some blame there as well, you're right. letting Nwosu go was really, really bad for sure. to me, if the defense isn't top 10 and the Chargers don't make a solid playoff run.... Staley better be gone and you can take Telesco with him, I won't care at that point.

I honestly don't have a lot of faith it will happen but I do think the offense with explode, so we will see!

[Han Solo]

Also, what you characterize as "outsmarting a coach" is in reality a purely mathematical analysis based upon certain assumptions. I am sure that Staley understands football techniques better than I do. However, he does not get to create his own rules when it comes to mathematics.

The mathematical analysis is really quite simple. If you assume defenses of equal strength, but that your offense is better than your opponent's in terms of expected points per drive, then you want a game that has more offensive possessions because that should allow the expected point difference to become more pronounced. The worst of all worlds in that situation is an offensive scheme that tends to limit possessions coupled with a defensive scheme that also tends to limit possessions, which is exactly what the Chargers have had under Staley to this point.

Such a combination also tends to produce more close games, so it no surprise that the Chargers played in 12 one possession games in the 2022 regular season.

So how do you see this so clearly but the entire chargers organization can't?