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  • Should Charlie Weis Be Fired @ ND?

    It's looking more and more like the hiring of Charlie Weis was another of Notre Dame's big mistakes.

    As an avid fan and supporter of Notre Dame, I was disappointed when we didn't land Urban Meyer, as he turned down the job for the warm weather and high powered SEC Gators. But I was ecstatic when we landed Charlie Weis, I felt he was just as good as Urban Meyer if not better.

    4 years later and a lot of hindsight, it's clear that Charlie Weis is nowhere close to be as good as Urban Meyer...in fact, Weis is no better than Ty Willingham, or Bob Davie, they all share a .583 winning percentage. In fact, the more this debacle drags on, the more it looks like Charlie Weis is living off Bill Belichick's success in New England, because it's painfully obvious that Weis may have been New England's OC during it's Super Bowl years, but Belichick is undeniably the mastermind behind it all. Romeo Crennel is stinking it up in Cleveland, and Weis is all but fired at Notre Dame. Weis has done nothing but ride Belichick's success to a $30 million, 10 year contract @ ND, and simply robbed the Irish right before there very eyes.

    For the love of God, I hope the Irish AD does the right thing this year, and fires Charlie Weis. Weis sucks, and he's done nothing, with the exception of elevating the play of Brady Quinn, which I'll give him credit for that, because under Willingham, Quinn's #'s were mediocre at best, but under Weis, Quinn's #'s exploded. Since Quinn and company left for the NFL, Weis is just another Ty Willingham.



    LOS ANGELES -- Even in retirement, Joe Montana still can feel the rush and evade it.

    When he saw me coming in the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum tunnel outside the Notre Dame locker room Saturday night, notepad in hand, Montana politely gave me the Heisman.

    "Don't ask me about it," Montana said, holding up his palm before I even asked a question.

    There was no need to define "it."

    "It" is the job security of Charlie Weis, the Notre Dame football coach who surely ran out of real estate, rope and rational defenses in a humiliating 38-3 loss to relentless USC. What Syracuse began last week in South Bend, the Trojans finished here.

    Whatever was left of Weis' worthless offensive genius façade crumbled on a night when the Fighting Irish were without a first down until the final play of the third quarter. They had four first downs and 91 total yards in an utterly feeble performance that should be Weis' last as head coach.

    No amount of pretzel logic should save Weis now, no amount of finger-pointing at the previous regime, no amount of blue-skying about how recruiting rankings could beget future greatness. Unless the Fighting Irish brass refuses to spend what ESPN has reported is an outrageous sum to buy Weis out of his massive, millstone contract, he's done in South Bend.

    There can be no other justification for keeping him. Not now, as his winning percentage dips to sub-Ty Willingham levels and his offense sinks to new lows.

    It's very simple. If Willingham had to go after three seasons, Weis has to go with a worse record after four. Or the explanation for keeping him had better be brilliant.

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    Charlie Weis watched his offense post only four first downs and 91 total yards against USC.

    If you want to measure how far from grace Weis has fallen in four seasons, measure it by Montana. As a guest of honor at Weis' first spring game, the quarterback spoke enthusiastically about the new head coach. Now he's avoiding saying a word about him.

    "There's who you need to ask, right there," Montana said, pointing across the tunnel at luckless Notre Dame athletic director Jack Swarbrick.

    He's new to the job and landed himself in a mess made well before his arrival. His first major decision as AD will be whether to retain or fire a guy his predecessor awarded a 10-year, $30 million-plus contract before Weis' first season was over.

    Approached on the field just moments after the final gun, Swarbrick stayed cool in the pocket. Among his comments:

    No decisions will be made until he has a chance to review the season. The two men meet every Monday, but because both he and Weis are scheduled to be out of town this week, they aren't likely to meet before next Monday, Dec. 8. The pitiful losses to Syracuse and USC the past two weeks will not necessarily make Swarbrick's decision for him: "You integrate all the information you get, and data comes in all the time," he said.

    Asked about the cavernous gap between Notre Dame and its biggest rival, Swarbrick said, "We're at USC's level in a lot of sports. We've been at USC's level in this sport before."

    What a long time ago that was. No amount of postgame spin could change that fact.

    "Guys, we're not that far away," quarterback Jimmy Clausen said.

    "I really don't think we're that far away," defensive end Pat Kuntz echoed.

    Notre Dame is not that far away, all right -- from beating 3-9 Syracuse. But it is light-years away from beating USC or any other top-10 team. To insist otherwise is to lie to yourself and anyone within earshot.

    Make no mistake, the Trojans have the best defense in America. But Weis' arrival in 2005 was supposed to catapult Notre Dame's offense to the national forefront, too. Instead, four years later, the Irish staged one of their most inept offensive performances in school history.

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    The Trojans stuffed the Irish, holding ND without a first down until the last play of the third quarter.

    USC has done some painful things to Notre Dame in this stadium throughout the decades. There was the 1964 upset that ruined an unbeaten season in Ara Parseghian's first year. The six-touchdown splurge by Anthony Davis here in 1972, and the four-touchdown barrage two years later in a 55-24 crusher. The controversial nonfumble by Paul McDonald that spoiled an epic, Montana-led comeback in 1978. The 31-point defeat that signaled the end of the Willingham era in 2004.

    This might have been the worst.

    The school record for fewest first downs in a game is two, set in 1917. Notre Dame squeezed out its third first down with less than four minutes remaining, then tacked on a fourth on a late USC hit at the 2:31 mark.

    Washington State, considered one of the worst Pacific-10 teams of all time, made four first downs against USC without aid of a penalty this season. Winless Washington, coached by that favorite Fighting Irish scapegoat, Willingham, racked up 15 first downs against USC and more than doubled Notre Dame's yardage.

    Fitting that this nadir should come against the opponent that gave Weis the leverage needed to land that ludicrous contract in 2005. A close loss -- not a victory -- against the No. 1 Trojans was what made the swooning Irish administration reach for its wallet and spend like drunken sailors.

    The difference between Weis on that October day in South Bend and this November night in Los Angeles is stark. Back then, Weis played the green-jersey trick and threw caution to the wind -- going for a fourth-and-1 at his own 19-yard line in the first quarter. This time, Weis sat back in a conservative shell and simply took his beating.

    Trick plays? Zero. Fourth-down gambles? One -- with 34 seconds to play.

    Even on a fourth-and-3 from the USC 23 early in the fourth quarter, Weis sent in the field goal unit to make the score 31-3. That at least accomplished one thing -- it stopped a 69-0 Trojans run during the past two meetings. But it didn't accomplish anything else.

    After that last-second, three-point loss to Matt Leinart and Reggie Bush, Weis declared that anyone expecting him to be happy with a moral victory would be wrong.

    After losing by 35 here, Weis sounded like a guy begging to be granted a moral victory.

    "I think one of the biggest aspects of today was whether we're going to play with passion and emotion," Weis said. "From the beginning of the game to the end of the game, we played with passion and emotion.

    "Today, unlike last year (a 38-0 loss), when our guys got a little intimidated, I thought that wasn't the case at all here today."

    So there you go. The plucky, passionate, unintimidated Irish managed to keep it within five touchdowns of USC. They almost covered Notre Dame's biggest underdog spread (31 points) on the Las Vegas books dating to 1975.

    Just what the Subway Alumni are looking for, right?

    The Notre Dame fans in the Coliseum didn't seem so easily satisfied. The 15-yard James Aldridge run that produced that initial first down also produced a standing ovation from the Irish fans. One guy literally jumped up and down with arms outstretched in mock jubilation. Others already had filed out of the place -- the third straight three-and-out of the third quarter had sent the shirtless Notre Dame fan in the green overalls and glittery leprechaun hat to the exit with plenty of company in his wake.

    The question now is whether Notre Dame will send Weis to the exit.

    "I'm the head football coach at Notre Dame," Weis declared afterward. "When the time comes sometime in my career, by my choice or their choice, I won't be."

    The choice is obvious. We'll see whether Notre Dame makes it.

    The question that remains, that all of the Notre Dame faithful would like an answer to is simply this....

    What coach has a proven track record, enough candor and tenacity, and enough skill to turn the Notre Dame Fighting Irish back into a National Powerhouse, and a NC Title Contender again?

    Who should they bring in? Who is capable of the job? Capable of landing academically eligible blue chip recruits? Capable of attracting the best of the best? who can restore legitimate defense to ND? Who can get us to our first bowl victory in 16 years?
    12
    Yes!!!!!!!!!!
    66.67%
    8
    No, Give Coach Front Butts 1 More Season.
    33.33%
    4

  • #2
    I'll answer this after school.

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    • #3
      This is a bit of a no brainer. A Super Bowl Champion Offensive Coordinator should be able to carry a college team with the prestige and success of Notre Dame to many successes, and he has done nothing but fail that school, its team and fans.

      Bye bye Bilicheat concubine!
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      • #4
        What he said ^.

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        • #5
          ND should bring back Willingham to coach the D and recruit.


          LOL, some ND math:

          Ty Willingham's greatest recruiting class
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          Charlie Weis' offensive scheme
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          a beat down at the hands of JaMarcus Russell in the Sugar Bowl.


          I think they should re-hire Holtz. And Mark May should be their home opener.

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          • #6
            Keep him so they continue to blow.

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            • #7
              "Coach front butt"... i laughed so hard at this! i love it
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              • #8
                Originally posted by GatorChomp View Post
                "Coach front butt"... i laughed so hard at this! i love it
                Charlie Weis and Romeo Crennel both have the front butt thing going on pretty good.

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                • #9
                  I voted no ... I would see how they do next year first ....

                  I'm sure he knows how to coach football But I doubt highly he knows how to polish a turd..
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                  • #10
                    Ugh. I can't believe they didn't buy him out. Now they're stuck with him for another year.

                    He's an excellent offensive coordinator. He's also a terrible terrible coach.

                    Collin Cowherd did a great segment of Notre Dame football, calling them the Bermuda Triangle of college football, where great recruits go and disappear off the face of the college scene.

                    To think that Jimmy Clausen was the #1 rated recruit coming out in his class was is laughable.

                    I actually think he's done a terrible job coaching there ever since he was hired.

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                    • #11
                      Notre Dame is always overrated. They never get the 'blue chip' recruits that they claim they get, and then wonder why these kids never pan out. Its the most over rated program in all of football.

                      So honestly.. I don't care. It doesn't bother me one way or the other. It would have been MAJORLy expensive to buy him out (talking nearly 13-15 million from what I heard recently)... and its too expensive to keep him.

                      but.... no skin off my back

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                      • #12
                        Alrighty now that I have time to relax I can spout off on my opinion.

                        Of course majority of Notre Dame fans are pissed off... Hell I'm pissed off too and the way they have been playing we have a reason to be but the thing is I don't want to prematurely fire another coach again like we did with Willingham.

                        Let's be honest here no one expected Notre Dame to do great things this year, hell to be honest they did better then expected at the beginning of the season but as the weeks went by we've faced tougher and tougher opponents and our play has been terrible but here's the thing... They are doing as good as I expected them to be doing at the beginning of the season. Of course Notre Dame fans want improvements now but I honestly think with the emergence of all these extremely young superstars we will shine next year.

                        I know Charlie's play calling has made people go WTH but it's been proven it could work with players executing it well enough and imo we are extremely young right now and we are still on a learning curve.

                        As of now I say let him stay for one more year, fight for his job, and hopefully get back to the way it was when he first started here.

                        Now that I think about it Charlie has really lost his Bill Parcell's like fire he use to have here. I remember the first practice he ever had with Notre Dame, they ran a run play and it was extremely sloppy so Charlie went ape**** on the players but now you would never see him doing that. Now the impression I get with him just from coaching the games is him just standing on his crippled leg with a dumb look on his face, its like come on man get fired up, pump up the players, and actually coach the team instead of just calling the offensive plays! You can tell in his post game interviews he's acting like nothing is wrong with the team and other bullcrap like that being all calm and crap.

                        Imo if he doesn't bring that fire and determination he use to have then not only will the team suffer from the lack of coaching but Charlie will get the boot also.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by xX-Bronco-Xx View Post
                          Alrighty now that I have time to relax I can spout off on my opinion.

                          Of course majority of Notre Dame fans are pissed off... Hell I'm pissed off too and the way they have been playing we have a reason to be but the thing is I don't want to prematurely fire another coach again like we did with Willingham.

                          Let's be honest here no one expected Notre Dame to do great things this year, hell to be honest they did better then expected at the beginning of the season but as the weeks went by we've faced tougher and tougher opponents and our play has been terrible but here's the thing... They are doing as good as I expected them to be doing at the beginning of the season. Of course Notre Dame fans want improvements now but I honestly think with the emergence of all these extremely young superstars we will shine next year.

                          I know Charlie's play calling has made people go WTH but it's been proven it could work with players executing it well enough and imo we are extremely young right now and we are still on a learning curve.

                          As of now I say let him stay for one more year, fight for his job, and hopefully get back to the way it was when he first started here.

                          Now that I think about it Charlie has really lost his Bill Parcell's like fire he use to have here. I remember the first practice he ever had with Notre Dame, they ran a run play and it was extremely sloppy so Charlie went ape**** on the players but now you would never see him doing that. Now the impression I get with him just from coaching the games is him just standing on his crippled leg with a dumb look on his face, its like come on man get fired up, pump up the players, and actually coach the team instead of just calling the offensive plays! You can tell in his post game interviews he's acting like nothing is wrong with the team and other bullcrap like that being all calm and crap.

                          Imo if he doesn't bring that fire and determination he use to have then not only will the team suffer from the lack of coaching but Charlie will get the boot also.

                          San Diego St.-----Won 21-13
                          Michigan-----Won 35-17
                          @Michigan St.-----Lost 7-23
                          Purdue-----Won 38-21
                          Stanford-----Won 28-21
                          @North Carolina-----Lost 24-29
                          @Washington-----Won 33-7
                          Pittsburgh-----Lost 33-36
                          Boston College-----Lost 0-17
                          Navy Won-----27-21
                          Syracuse-----Lost 23-24
                          @Southern Cal. Lost 3-38

                          I'll excuse losses to So. Cal and Michigan State. They are good teams, that are traditionally tough.

                          however, looking at this schedule, the shutout loss to B.C. is unacceptable. The lose to Syracuse by 1 pt is unacceptable. the lost to North Carolina was unacceptable. the Loss to Pittsburgh was unacceptable.

                          I didn't expect undefeated this year, but I did expect at least 8-4. Instead we got 6-6.

                          I know it's tough to expect to beat SoCal, but dammit, we should be playing So Cal close. That should be a ****ing competitive game, not an annual beatdown get blown out by 30+ pts every year. That is what irks me the most.

                          Every god awful team in the nation (Stanford, Oregon State, Arizona State, UCLA) can go and pull a damn rabbit out of the hat, and pull an upset of USC, except for Notre Dame...we always get our asses kicked so far up in between our shoulder blades, we can't tell the difference between our heads and our asses, and this frustrates me to no end. On top of that, we always manage to lose to the most god awful teams in the nation (Navy and Syracuse...who in the hell are they??). I'm so sick of the *** **** mediocrity at Notre Dame I could puke. I'm tired of hoping for next year, I'm tired of hoping that next coach is "the one" to turn it all around. I'm so sick of being the center of being made fun of by Michigan and Ohio State fans. Tired of hearing it from USC fans.

                          I've alway stuck with my teams through thick and thin, good and bad, but I'm getting real close to just forgetting about Notre Dame football until they can prove they want to win. Here we are going on 20 ****ing years since we had a Championship, and it's been 15 since we won a damn bowl game.

                          If this were Kansas, I'd be tickled pink about 6-6, or 7-5, because with the exception of last year, we've been mediocre, we've come to expect it, so when we exceed mediocre, we're tickled pink and happy as a bug in a rug. But ND isn't Kansas. ND is a 12 something National Championship winning program. Notre Dame is the epitome of college football history. We are one of the most storied programs in college football. And I'm not at all happy with our current status.

                          If (and that's a mighty big if) we make it to a bowl game this year...I think Charlie's job being secure for next year should be dependent on whether or not ND wins their bowl game.

                          In the event the BCS decides we're not worthy of a Bowl Game (which at 6-6 we are NOT worthy whatsoever), I think ND has to go another direction. I don't really see anything improving next year.

                          I wish I had a shot at being the head coach @ ND and I know damn sure I could do a better job than Charlie Weiss. I wouldn't allow losses to Syracuse and Pitt and North Carolina. I'd have these kids fired up every week, and ready to play.

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                          • #14
                            I don't think the firing of Ty Willingham was pre-mature. He sucked, and sucked even more at his next coaching job (which he is already fired from).

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                            • #15
                              I wonder if Steve Sarkisian the OC @ USC would be a good candidate to replace Weis as head coach?

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