Cam Newton?

[Amari24]

One thing I've noticed about Newton all season and even in today's game Vs. Ole Miss. He never stays in the pocket... He always rolls to his right when he's playing the pass. And then to top it all off, he throws on the run too much. You know who does that? That one overrated QB that plays for OSU. Also the offense that Auburn runs is so predictable. It's always the step out of the pocket shotgun, and fake hand off. Newton will either run it, they'll fake it to the RB, throw a screen pass, or hand it to the RB for the outside run...

That's exactly all I've seen from Auburn all year..

No knock on Newton, but it seems he doesn't have much to his game as far as passing goes.. Kellen Moore is clearly better.

[CoryWinget81]

One thing I've noticed about Newton all season and even in today's game Vs. Ole Miss. He never stays in the pocket... He always rolls to his right when he's playing the pass. And then to top it all off, he throws on the run too much. You know who does that? That one overrated QB that plays for OSU. Also the offense that Auburn runs is so predictable. It's always the step out of the pocket shotgun, and fake hand off. Newton will either run it, they'll fake it to the RB, throw a screen pass, or hand it to the RB for the outside run...

That's exactly all I've seen from Auburn all year..

No knock on Newton, but it seems he doesn't have much to his game as far as passing goes.. Kellen Moore is clearly better.

LOL Haters gonna hate I guess.


Their offense is so predictable, and they still hang 50+ on SEC defenses. :wave:

[Amari24]

LOL Haters gonna hate I guess.


Their offense is so predictable, and they still hang 50+ on SEC defenses. :wave:

Wow I didn't know every team in the SEC has a top 2 defense...

[thatkidhunt]

I don't follow College football as much, but everytime I see Auburn on TV, the announcers talk about him like he's Tebow on steroids.

Is he really that good?

He is an absolute beast. Dude is scary good.

[CoryWinget81]

I just now began to understand the hatred against Tebow.

Cam Newton does nothing but beast up the stat sheet and win games, and people hate him for it.

Now I know.

[RealBronco]

Like I said, when we're trying to differentiate between the best players, and decide who the best is, or rank them, we end up having to dig deeper and make some distinctions.

Doesn't make anybody "laughable" or "not worth responding to."

For the Heisman, the guys who play in weak conferences have to really, really blow out the stats (like Andre Ware did), and sometimes they blow it out and still get jocked (like Steve McNair and Marshal Faulk).

And when sometime blows it out in the SEC (or the _____, fill in whatever conferences you think are on that level), they tend to beat out someone playing for Boise State.

Boise would compete well in the SEC. But they wouldn't have 10 blowouts. I don't think they would go undefeated. And I don't think they would win the SEC championship.

It's hard to measure the drag it puts on your team having to get up every single week for a team that is loaded with athletes, size and speed, and which has a national championship caliber coach.

Thank goodness this year, Tennessee is down, as are Florida and Georgia. But Arkansas is kind of up, and MSU is a tough out as well.

Cam Newton won't win the Heisman unless he shows well against Alabama. If he does that, he deserves the nod over Moore.

i didn't mean for my post to come off as harsh or anything... and the only one i found "laughable" was the idea that Moore would have trouble starting at Auburn or anywhere else, because clearly, he's a starting QB no matter how or where you slice it.

also, i think people tend to look passed the idea that if Boise State were to join any of the BCS conferences, it would take time to build themselves up, just like it took time to build what they've got going now. but over time, the simple fact that they'd be receiving more money from being a part of the BCS would allow for much better recruiting and also better facilities an athletics department as a whole.

so they may struggle their first year in the PAC-10 or SEC or wherever, but over time they would acquire the tools (like the bigger athletes and the blue chip players) to do just that, get up every week and be ready for those opponents. i think a lot of people think BSU fans think we would come right in and dominate. i'd say our first year in a few of those conferences sure, or at least we'd stay competitive. i don't think we'd go into the Big East or ACC or even the PAC-10 and end our inaugural season in last place there.

point spread also would not be an issue, nor would going undefeated. Alabama is going to be a perfect example if they stay once beaten this season. heck, even 2 losses and they still have a shot at a BCS Bowl, even if it isn't the NC. you see, once a team is in said conference they no longer have to worry about the rigamarole.

BSU also wouldn't have to have 10 blowouts a season if they were a BCS team because of that famed double standard....take Auburn's 20 point win today... that's less than we beat La Tech by, and yet we were seen to have an "ordinary" game against them and nothing special that would impress voters. well i didn't see anything in Auburn's win over Ole Miss that would either. same goes for the Oregon/USC game

for those that would say: "well SEC teams are clearly better than WAC teams" well sure, but Auburn didn't play a WAC team today, they played a SEC team... and if they are the BSU of the SEC then they should be blowing everyone out. especially if they are #1. so it's odd that when BSU "struggles" against teams in their conference, which is supposed to be full of similarly matched and talented teams, people look down on them.

take Utah for instance. next season they will no longer have to worry about going undefeated. strive for it, sure but if they lose a game and still win the PAC-10 they're golden.

i think this whole strength of schedule can carry over to whether we should use that to evaluate talent or not. you are right though, in that Moore has the unfair advantage, because of that system that he has to blow people out left and right in order to pad the stats... which is unfair to his talent level.

again i don't think Newton is not a good QB, but i don't think he's any better than Pryor or Thomas or Masoli. Heck, Masoli looked pretty good today too. what Amari said about Newton could also be said about Oregon's QB... all it seemed like he did tonight was hand it off and roll out to try to draw attention. i'm watching that game and i'm thinking: "well if BSU has to play them again it's not going to be any different than stopping Taylor" our guys will be too fast for Thomas and James.

i dunno... i just watch all these scrambling QB's that have gotten all this attention this season and it's only because they have a lot of rushing yards...they've been better running backs than quarterbacks and because of that i still think Moore is the best PURE quarterback playing right now.

[Amari24]

I just now began to understand the hatred against Tebow.

Cam Newton does nothing but beast up the stat sheet and win games, and people hate him for it.

Now I know.

Kellen Moore has won games and put up BIG numbers on the stat sheet, and the only thing people can point to is the conference he's playing in.

Looks like Lou Holtz was right..

[RealBronco]

I just now began to understand the hatred against Tebow.

Cam Newton does nothing but beast up the stat sheet and win games, and people hate him for it.

Now I know.

that remains to be seen, as Tebow won two Championships and Newton hasn't...if you're comparing those two.

although i'm sure that if he was still on one of those championship Gator teams, some might count that...

[Axemaster]

I don't follow College football as much, but everytime I see Auburn on TV, the announcers talk about him like he's Tebow on steroids.

Is he really that good?

Well if you want to consider he can throw better, is faster and stronger, and will be the Heisman winner this year and the 1st pick of the draft when he comes out, then, yes he is that good.

[CoryWinget81]

Kellen Moore has won games and put up BIG numbers on the stat sheet, and the only thing people can point to is the conference he's playing in.

Looks like Lou Holtz was right..

Look man, I try to give BSU respect...

That's awesome that they get up for 3 teams a year, but other than that?

San Jose State? Louisiana Tech?

And you're mad because people "point at the conference he plays in"?

I'd like to see Boise State have to play #6 Nebraska one week, then go on the road and play #9 OU, and then # 11 (or whatever) Mizzou at home, or...

(not adding ranking here because I don't know what they are) Play Florida at home, then go to LSU, and then on to Alabama, then come home and play South Carolina.

Not trying to NOT give credit to Boise State, by ANY means, but its hard for college teams with top blue chip recruits to make it through those kinds of schedules unscathed.

I do agree with RB, that given time, in a bigger conference, they would become competitive. But RIGHT NOW, as much as it pisses BSU fans off (and I'm not wrong, the computer and the polls agree with me) Boise State is still a step below those other guys. Want people to take your school seriously? Quit playing Fresno State, Idaho, and Utah State.

I don't think Kellen Moore is a bad QB. I think he benefits from a team that stays healthy. Sure, they have GREAT players, and they ARE superbly conditioned, and I can't take that away from them BUT would they still be healthy and burning at 100% if they played in a tougher conference? I can't answer that, and neither can you.

He's undersized, great, but undersized, in a conference where alot of OTHER undersized athletes play football. There's a REASON why they play in the WAC.

Kellen Moore COULD win the heisman, but considering other players from conferences twice as tough as the one they play in put up staggeringly good numbers it's a battle he's not gonna win.

I think he's great throwing the ball. I think he's a SMART kid. I think he's a natural leader, and he's got great heart and that ever elusive MOXIE.

I just don't think he's the best QB in the country.

[Gatorgirl]

Well if you want to consider he can throw better, is faster and stronger, and will be the Heisman winner this year and the 1st pick of the draft when he comes out, then, yes he is that good.

and the fact that he is playing as a 'freshman' in the sec when he actually took two years off to play at a community college doesnt make a difference? tebow had already won his heisman as the first true sophmore at an age before cam even decided he should go back to a four year school. lets see those stats. how, in his fourth year of college football is he racking up the stats better than tebow did in his second?

[Safety]

I don't follow College football as much, but everytime I see Auburn on TV, the announcers talk about him like he's Tebow on steroids.

Is he really that good?

you forgot to mention he has Elway's elusiveness, elway's field-vision, and the ability to make a play out of nothing when it all seems to be coming unglued.

[Gatorgirl]

just saw this and thought id share...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5765214

[Cahill]

just saw this and thought id share...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5765214

I was going to come here and post this same exact article. I'm not too surprised that this is being reported. It seems more people are willing to out these college athletes for taking money or seeking money. Each week, we hear about a different college student accepting payments from agents or from others. It's been going on for years but with the media and technology today, it is much harder to keep these things secret.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

I was going to come here and post this same exact article. I'm not too surprised that this is being reported. It seems more people are willing to out these college athletes for taking money or seeking money. Each week, we hear about a different college student accepting payments from agents or from others. It's been going on for years but with the media and technology today, it is much harder to keep these things secret.

I would be surprised if anything came of this before Newton leaves Auburn.