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  • 12and4
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    As far as the WAC, i hear they wanted a couple FBS schools. I think it was a couple texas schools and a denver school, but I don't remember which ones particularly. I think MWC should just take a couple more from the WAC and call it a day. It would leave WAC to burn but it would help the MWC... but I wouldn't want to do that to my former rival schools. I hate karl benson so he deserves that (the commish of the WAC). He had planned on going to a fresno game and a nevada game one weekend last year, but he changed his plans and attended a hawaii game. This season, he blamed fresno state for not turning in our schedules on time so they can make the conference schedules. They blamed their mistake on us which was hilarious, and we have articles in the fresno bee and our official website from like last november stating the schedule.

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  • samparnell
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    Originally posted by 12and4 View Post
    So sammy, swinging that question back at ya, what do you think they would want to do with the MWC? Add more teams or keep it the way it is.

    MWC or Wac > Big East.
    The PAC-10 seemed to feel it needed twelve teams, so they invited Utah and Colorado. The SLC and Denver TV areas add revenue. They will probably organize into North and South divisions and have a championship game like the SEC, ACC, MAC, CUSA (and like the Big XII used to?).

    Speaking of the Big XII, they now have ten and the Big Ten has twelve. The Big Ten seemed to think they needed twelve and the addition of Nebraska gives some market share due to the following the Huskers have. I think they intend a conference championship game in football as well.

    As I recall, the chronology was that MWC invited Boise prior to PAC inviting Utah. At first it looked like the MWC was going to get much stronger in terms of the competitiveness of the football teams it had. Then Utah, BYU and TCU defected. The four WAC teams coming to the MWC are actually preserving the Mountain West's football status.

    Apparently geography was of little consideration in the Big East's invitation to TCU. So, if the MWC wants to add two more schools, they don't necessarily need to be in the West. You mentioned Louisiana Tech. Not being BCS takes away from incentive for schools currently in BCS conferences to join the MWC. When it looked like the Big XII was going to disintegrate, some MWC people were suggesting Kansas and K-State could be invited. CUSA schools like Houston or UTEP are possibilities as well.

    I always thought Notre Dame and Navy were candidates for Big East expansion, but the former seems happy with the Independent status that BYU will now try. I think Villanova is considering I-A FBS status. They are in the Big East for BB as is Notre Dame and some others.

    When the conference commissioners, university presidents and ADs meet to consider their structure, it's all based on $ just like the NFL owners. The only difference is the semblance of academics in the NCAA.

    A strange thing I heard last year was that Utah and Colorado were invited to the PAC because they are research institutions with medical schools. Supposedly BYU wanted an invitation, too, but was annoyed at the academic standard which doesn't apply to them regardless of how preppy they are.

    A journalist in Oklahoma City suggested that UNM could be a candidate for the Big XII on that basis (i.e., academics/research) if the Big XII decided to actually be XII instead of just X. For people in the ABQ/SF area, that sounded pretty crazy, but you never know.

    Too bad UNM's AD forced Rocky Long out instead of supporting the football program. Now we have Mike Locksley who didn't get off to a good start (putting it mildly) and the football program is way down from where Rocky left it.

    So, PAC-10 is now PAC-12; Big Ten is now twelve; MWC which had nine will have ten; Big East had eight in football will have ten if Villanova steps up to IA/FBS; SEC, ACC and CUSA stay at twelve and the MAC at thirteen; will the WAC raid the Sunbelt or IAA schools to stay alive?

    I guess the big question in realignment is the Big XII and what they will do. TCU's move to the Big East is looking clever as a football gambit. There are plenty of former Southwest Conference schools in Texas (e.g., SMU, Houston, Rice) the Big XII could invite to refill their Roman numerals. Speaking of former SWC schools, there are rumors Arkansas isn't happy in the SEC. If Arkansas left for the Big XII, the SEC would probably raid CUSA or the Big East, etc., etc., etc. and on it goes.

    I'm just a football fan fed up with BCS arrogance, and now, apparently, corruption. The WAC and MWC have achieved success in football in spite of not having huge stadiums, big TV markets and big time recruits compared with the PAC and the Big XII (formerly the Big 8). Invitations to the most lucrative bowls should be based on merit ... if the bowl system is to be retained.

    That leads to the next can of worms ... playoffs. Playoffs? Did you say playoffs? IAA/FCS is touted as having playoffs which they do, but all IAA schools don't participate in them (e.g., Ivy League and former negro conferences). The big barriers to playoffs are the pretenses of academics and the vested financial interests of the bowl games which are relics of the past.

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  • 12and4
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    So sammy, swinging that question back at ya, what do you think they would want to do with the MWC? Add more teams or keep it the way it is.

    MWC or Wac > Big East.

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  • samparnell
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    Death to the thread.

    Or, as Monty Python sang, "Always look on the bright side of death."

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  • Southstander
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    Originally posted by 12and4 View Post
    How is that simple lol. Thats probably the toughest one to do... If your team is in the sugar bowl, you're going... or you're watching...


    As much as Boise hates the BCS, was the whole city not watching the bowl games?


    But yes, that would be the fastest solution.
    It is simple, but as I said it is not easy.

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  • 12and4
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    Originally posted by Southstander View Post
    If all of you NCCA football fans truly want to end the BCS there is a simple, not easy solution. Do not watch or go to ANY Bowl game. This does require commitment of millions of fans. But if they games are played before empty stadiums, and no ratings a clear message will be sent.
    How is that simple lol. Thats probably the toughest one to do... If your team is in the sugar bowl, you're going... or you're watching...


    As much as Boise hates the BCS, was the whole city not watching the bowl games?


    But yes, that would be the fastest solution.


    edit: Here is the website that the BCS made in retaliation a couple years back.


    I bought the domain "PlayoffAnswer.com" but have yet to make a page for it. It needs to be made though. Maybe we can all collaborate? Just a simple page like that website, discussing various methods of improving competition at all levels.
    Last edited by 12and4; 03-31-2011, 12:45 AM.

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  • Southstander
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    If all of you NCCA football fans truly want to end the BCS there is a simple, not easy solution. Do not watch or go to ANY Bowl game. This does require commitment of millions of fans. But if they games are played before empty stadiums, and no ratings a clear message will be sent.

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  • 12and4
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    Originally posted by samparnell View Post
    Do you think the MWC wants to add two more teams for a two division/conference championship game setup? If so, who do you think?
    Cool backstory, thats pretty fun.

    About the quote, I'm not sure if they'd WANT to do it, but if they were to do it I don't see why they wouldn't want to take Hawaii (please god no). I don't see them fixing the whole BYU situation so they are as good as gone, and TCU and Utah are gone for good... So I have no idea who they'd extend invitations to. I can see san jose state as being one, considering they have a 'big market' though they suck. I can also see USU getting an invite.

    But its something you can't really guess on because they have their own way of evaluating teams. They may even take a team from conference usa or some crap like that.




    BUT i don't think they will. I think we need to stay smaller in order to get a legitimate shot at the AQ, being as it would be less diluted.


    edit: wait, I'm counting 9 teams.... am I missing someone?
    Last edited by 12and4; 03-30-2011, 10:13 PM.

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  • samparnell
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    Since ...

    Originally posted by 12and4 View Post
    They didn't necessarily win the WAC. From what I remember it was a 3 way tie, with Hawaii Nevada and Boise all losing to one another (Hawaii to boise, Boise to nevada, and nevada to hawaii)

    But yes, the wolfpack had a great run under the pistol with kaepernick, but I think that is as far as they'll get. They just don't have much support at all from their fans, I see La tech and Idaho rising in the WAC this season, and Hawaii should still be playing at a high caliber, but I don't see nevada sticking around in the top of the ranks for very much longer.


    As far as moving into the MWC, I love love love the fact that the new MWC is basically like the old WAC (minus BYU, TCU). It's pretty nice to see old rivalries refueled and regenerated. Do you have a particular team that you follow, or was Utah your team?
    ... I work in ABQ and live nearby, I've been a Lobo fan for a long time.

    As a HS coach, I had a chance to attend Lobo football clinics and meet the UNM coaches including Gary Patterson, Bronco Mendenhall and Rocky Long.

    One of our former players is now Rocky's safeties coach. He recently spoke at a coaching clinic in Las Vegas, Nevada.

    Don't underestimate Chris Ault. He has a great DC and a great offense. He's had four years to groom a new QB to run the Pistol.

    In a non BCS conference just being competitive every year, like Rocky Long achieved at UNM, is a big deal. When those ten teams start playing each other every year, it will be interesting to see how it shakes out. You try to be bowl eligible, but also have a tough schedule.

    Do you think the MWC wants to add two more teams for a two division/conference championship game setup? If so, who do you think?

    Right. The old WAC. Road trips to Hawaii. Talk about home field.

    Another great UNM coach was Joe Lee Dunn. I think he and Rocky collaborated on creating the 3-3-5 D. Dennis Franchione was successful, but aloof. He was never "one of the guys" like Rocky was. Always saw him for about five minutes at the coaching clinics when he stopped by to say "Hi" to the peasants.
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  • 12and4
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    Originally posted by samparnell View Post
    The Nevada Wolfpack had to lift their game to win the WAC last year. Fresno State pride aside, you may be inclined to admit that.
    They didn't necessarily win the WAC. From what I remember it was a 3 way tie, with Hawaii Nevada and Boise all losing to one another (Hawaii to boise, Boise to nevada, and nevada to hawaii)

    But yes, the wolfpack had a great run under the pistol with kaepernick, but I think that is as far as they'll get. They just don't have much support at all from their fans, I see La tech and Idaho rising in the WAC this season, and Hawaii should still be playing at a high caliber, but I don't see nevada sticking around in the top of the ranks for very much longer.


    As far as moving into the MWC, I love love love the fact that the new MWC is basically like the old WAC (minus BYU, TCU). It's pretty nice to see old rivalries refueled and regenerated. Do you have a particular team that you follow, or was Utah your team?

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  • samparnell
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    As Mountain West guy, ...

    Originally posted by 12and4 View Post
    I agree on all accounts. Although I don't see it as Boise boosting us(wac schools) up, but rather they boosted the WACs image. Fresno had always had a pretty good to great program spanning a while back, but more recently from the Dilfer days to the Carr days.
    ... I was sorry to see Utah, BYU and TCU leave, but happy to see Fresno, Hawaii, Boise and Nevada joining. Those four WAC teams went to bowl games.

    Pat Hill has always had the mentality of playing anyone anywhere including going all the way to the east coast to defeat Rutgers in the season opener in 2008. When Reggie Bush was a senior at USC, the Bulldogs played a great game in LA.

    UNM fans know Fresno well from the Sweeney days and when UNM and Fresno were both in the WAC.

    When the four WAC teams come into the MWC, Hill, Petersen, McMackin and Ault will join Rocky Long and Troy Calhoun et al. for what, in my opinion, is the strongest group of coaches in any conference. Long and Ault especially are true innovators in an era of little innovation.

    The loss of Gary Patterson, another true innovator, will hurt, but I think a lot of western football fans wish him well in 2012 when TCU joins the Big East. Too bad TCU can't make that move this year when the Big East should be pretty down.

    The Nevada Wolfpack had to lift their game to win the WAC last year. Fresno State pride aside, you may be inclined to admit that.

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  • 12and4
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    Originally posted by samparnell View Post
    After an undefeated 2008 season, Utah defeated Alabama 31-17 in the Sugar Bowl, 1-2-09. They were ranked second. If they had been from a BCS conference at that time it might have been different.

    To me it was extremely insulting when the BCS had Boise State and TCU play each other in the Fiesta Bowl in 2010. They just couldn't stand seeing another non-BCS team defeat one of their own.

    People talk about level of competition, but it doesn't hold water. Without the recruiting draw of a BCS school, Boise State has actually lifted the level of football competition in the WAC to the point that the four strongest programs are joining the MWC to replace Utah, BYU and TCU who have graduated to other stuff.

    It will be interesting to see if TCU gets better recruits as they venture into the Big East. TCU will have the same opportunity West Virginia had in 2007 to go undefeated in a BCS conference and advance to the "championship".

    I'll stack the coaching in most of the MWC and WAC football programs up against any other conference. With better recruiting on a level playing field, they would be competitive with any colleges in the west; actually they already are.
    I agree on all accounts. Although I don't see it as Boise boosting us(wac schools) up, but rather they boosted the WACs image. Fresno had always had a pretty good to great program spanning a while back, but more recently from the Dilfer days to the Carr days.

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  • samparnell
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    I have felt this way for a long time.

    After an undefeated 2008 season, Utah defeated Alabama 31-17 in the Sugar Bowl, 1-2-09. They were ranked second. If they had been from a BCS conference at that time it might have been different.

    To me it was extremely insulting when the BCS had Boise State and TCU play each other in the Fiesta Bowl in 2010. They just couldn't stand seeing another non-BCS team defeat one of their own.

    People talk about level of competition, but it doesn't hold water. Without the recruiting draw of a BCS school, Boise State has actually lifted the level of football competition in the WAC to the point that the four strongest programs are joining the MWC to replace Utah, BYU and TCU who have graduated to other stuff.

    It will be interesting to see if TCU gets better recruits as they venture into the Big East. TCU will have the same opportunity West Virginia had in 2007 to go undefeated in a BCS conference and advance to the "chamionship".

    I'll stack the coaching in most of the MWC and WAC football programs up against any other conference. With better recruiting on a level playing field, they would be competitive with any colleges in the west; actually they already are.

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  • Jay3
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    I feel like I'm living in Bizarro-world with no college playoff.

    It seems so obvious that we should have one.

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  • Axemaster
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    It all boils down to the Major Confrences profiting from this system. Figure out how to stop that , then you will get them on board for a playoff!:thumb:

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