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  • Alcaeus15
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    Boise State is a really awful school academically.

    that's the only smack i have left

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  • RealBronco
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    How did Oregon State, Colorado and UCLA do today? and you think Boise State wouldn't be able to handle the PAC-12?

    Heck even USC struggled today. lol come on...

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  • Al Wilson 4 Mayor
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    Originally posted by SoundsOfSuccess View Post
    It's not that hard to get hyped up and play the best ball you can twice a year. If they played in the SEC, or even Pac12, they'd have to do this every game. And they wouldn't win em all.
    ...and if they played in the SEC or the PAC 10 they'd be recruiting from the same talent pool. They keep winning, and neither you or anybody else with a negative spin can take that away from them.

    No, they wouldn't win every week in the SEC, I never said they would....but they won today on the road.

    ...and every time they play an Oregon school they win. I might as well say we own the state of Oregon.

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  • RealBronco
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    Originally posted by 12and4 View Post
    If you aint cheatin you aint winnin...
    that why Fresno ain't winnin'? lol

    Originally posted by SoundsOfSuccess View Post
    Who cares...

    Until they play in a respectable conference, where Montana State isn't considered a trap game, Boise is nothing more than a grain of sand.

    If they play in the SEC they don't win 8 games a season.
    oh get out of here with this decade old argument already. this holds no water anymore.

    Originally posted by SoundsOfSuccess View Post
    It's not that hard to get hyped up and play the best ball you can twice a year. If they played in the SEC, or even Pac12, they'd have to do this every game. And they wouldn't win em all.
    if you're not getting hyped up every game then maybe being a football fan isn't for you.

    also how many BCS teams win every game every year? you don't think BCS teams struggle in their own conferences? Ask Duke and Vanderbilt and the entire Big East about how life is in the BCS? Don't throw the PAC-12 in there, lol... we would contend rather well in that conference. and how come it's always the SEC? no one talks about the ACC (which has weaker strength of schedule than the Mountain West this season) etc.

    also you have no idea if Boise State wouldn't be able to do this every game. the fact is, we won't know until we end up in a BCS conference. also in a BCS conference you don't HAVE to win them all. less pressure.

    additionally, what Al said: SEC teams have SEC money and blue chip recruits. Mountain West teams do not. you give those same benefits to these teams i guarantee they improve their athletic and academic programs.

    that argument will never ever fly with me. the BCS and its fans are well versed in hypotheticals lol.

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  • SoundsOfSuccess
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    Originally posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor View Post
    That's a credible argument, since Boise hasn't played Montana State in oh, 10 years.

    If Boise played in the SEC, guess what, they'd be recruiting SEC players. For anyone to discount what Boise has accomplished in the last ten years with their small market budget is just silly.

    I don't argue that Boise plays the same level of competition that schools in the PAC 10 or SEC do, but they don't have their budget either. Nobody can take away the fact that Boise is 6-2 against top twenty teams in the last six years, and is 4-0 against top ten teams.
    It's not that hard to get hyped up and play the best ball you can twice a year. If they played in the SEC, or even Pac12, they'd have to do this every game. And they wouldn't win em all.

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  • Al Wilson 4 Mayor
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    The lack of depth at FS was really obvious tonight for Boise, but man, the defensive line really dominated Georgia's offensive line. Other than the 80 yard TD, Georgia had trouble running the ball, and Boise ended the game with 5 or six sacks. Billy Winn, Shae McClellan and Co. showed up big tonight. Kellen Moore was also lights out against a very good Georgia D.

    Well done Boise State! You went into the heart of SEC country and took one away!

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  • Al Wilson 4 Mayor
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    Originally posted by SoundsOfSuccess View Post
    Who cares...

    Until they play in a respectable conference, where Montana State isn't considered a trap game, Boise is nothing more than a grain of sand.

    If they play in the SEC they don't win 8 games a season.
    That's a credible argument, since Boise hasn't played Montana State in oh, 10 years.

    If Boise played in the SEC, guess what, they'd be recruiting SEC players. For anyone to discount what Boise has accomplished in the last ten years with their small market budget is just silly.

    I don't argue that Boise plays the same level of competition that schools in the PAC 10 or SEC do, but they don't have their budget either. Nobody can take away the fact that Boise is 6-2 against top twenty teams in the last six years, and is 4-0 against top ten teams.
    Last edited by Al Wilson 4 Mayor; 09-03-2011, 01:08 PM.

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  • SoundsOfSuccess
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    Who cares...

    Until they play in a respectable conference, where Montana State isn't considered a trap game, Boise is nothing more than a grain of sand.

    If they play in the SEC they don't win 8 games a season.

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  • Al Wilson 4 Mayor
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    What does this say too you? Did you even read the article?

    This amounts to upperclassmen allowing incoming freshmen to stay with them at their apartments so they can participate in spring and summer ball. It was a very minor violation, and one the program was not aware was wrong.

    The major wrong doing was on the part of the tennis program.

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  • Al Wilson 4 Mayor
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    Originally posted by Southstander View Post
    The two articles I posted shows that Boise State has been the NCAA's radar since May. How can you not be suprised that a school that under investagation has players ruled ineligible?

    Also just because they where ruled eigible last year does not mean that further investigation found them guilty. New evidence could have arisen.
    I don't see how it could be that complicated. Peterson stated it had nothing to do with academics or rules violations. It was a matter of eligibility being foreigners, which is something they've already investigated.

    Either the kids are eligible, or they're not....well, considering the fact that they've all been in the states for atleast 3 years and played HS ball here....oh never mind. I just need to wait and see what the findings are.

    The timing still reeks of tampering by the NCAA.

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  • kratos_godofwar
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    LOL, watch as the NCAA suspend Kellen Moore because he's too short so the NCAA is investigating into the matter. Or Boise's shade of blue is a tad bit off from the NCAA's approval so they get that fined and suspensions. LOL, the NCAA.

    But hey, you can accept thousands of dollars from a SEC school and claim you have no idea of what was going on. And still be able to play and your school gets no penalty what so ever.

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  • 12and4
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    If you aint cheatin you aint winnin...

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  • Garywolf001
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    You show me a school thats 100% clean, and I'll show you a school without a football team LOL!

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  • Southstander
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    The two articles I posted shows that Boise State has been the NCAA's radar since May. How can you not be suprised that a school that under investagation has players ruled ineligible?

    Also just because they where ruled eigible last year does not mean that further investigation found them guilty. New evidence could have arisen.

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  • Southstander
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    Originally posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor View Post
    Fair enough, but there is no evidence of any wrong doing. These kids are academically eligible, and have committed no violations. This is only about there eligibility as foreigners....something that was investigated a year ago and the kids were found to be eligible.

    Tressell made his own bed.
    Boise State runs a tight ship.
    "Tight ship?"

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=6471288

    By Andrea Adelson ESPN.com Archive

    The NCAA has charged Boise State with a lack of institutional control following an alleged major violation in women's tennis and secondary violations in four sports, including football.

    The school released its official response to the allegations Monday evening and will go before the NCAA's Committee on Infractions June 10. A final report and penalties will be issued several months after that meeting.

    "We are deeply committed to following all NCAA rules and to ensuring that our athletic department works diligently so that our procedures reflect the highest standard," Boise State president Bob Kustra said in a statement. "I am disappointed that we face these allegations. It is unacceptable, and the athletic department staff understand and agree with my position."

    The university has made fixes, done its own internal investigation and hired a new compliance officer, Kustra said.

    The secondary violations in football involved impermissible housing, transportation and/or meals to prospective student-athletes from 2005 to 2009.

    In all, the NCAA found the total value of impermissible benefits through five years was $4,934 for all of the housing, transportation and meals provided to 63 incoming student-athletes. All services ranged from $2.34 to a maximum of $417.55 and have been reimbursed by the student-athletes.

    "We pride ourselves on doing things the right way at Boise State. As soon as we became aware that these inadvertent infractions were not in accordance with NCAA rules, we acted swiftly and without hesitation," football coach Chris Petersen said in a statement released by the school.

    "The university, our staff and the involved student-athletes worked together with the NCAA to resolve the situation, including reimbursement of the benefits received, and that money was donated to a local charity," Petersen said.

    Boise State began its investigation into potential violations in 2009. The school and NCAA agreed to penalties a year later for the sports that broke the rules: football, men's and women's tennis, and men's and women's track and field.

    But later that year, Boise State self-reported a major violation in women's tennis, in which one tennis player was allowed to compete before being officially enrolled.

    That led the NCAA to take the secondary violations and major violation and lump them into one case, slapping the more serious "lack of institutional control" charge on top of the existing violations.

    "Complying with NCAA rules is fundamental to who we are and how we do things at Boise State," athletic director Gene Bleymaier said in a statement. "We have addressed the issues and are working with the NCAA to bring this to a close."

    Andrea Adelson covers college football for ESPN.com. Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

    Follow Andrea Adelson on Twitter: @ESPN_CollegeFB
    http://www.idahostatesman.com/2011/0...ivial-are.html

    oise State could be in a heap of trouble because incoming student-athletes spent the night on sofas, received free food and got rides to and from the airport.

    But isn’t that typical college student behavior?

    The point of those NCAA rules is that student-athletes get nothing for free or at a reduced cost, said Marlon Edge, the assistant director of compliance for the Mountain West Conference.

    “Sleeping on another student’s floor would be considered a benefit,” Edge said. “You can’t receive benefits, gifts or services as a student-athlete.”

    For university sports programs, it can be a slippery slope from a Big Mac to a gold Trans Am.

    “It is all considered a benefit of some sort,” Edge said. “There are different levels of seriousness, but there is really no distinction. A hide-a-bed and a car are the same thing.”

    Boise State is under investigation by the NCAA for 22 alleged violations in five sports, including football, tennis and track and field —and experts say it’s the volume of violations that could point to a pattern of disregard for the rules.

    It all adds up to more than cereal and air mattresses, said Michael Buckner, a Florida-based attorney in college sports law and a private investigator.

    “Individually, they would not appear to the general public to be serious,” Buckner said. “But these rules are in place to assure that all student-athletes in all schools compete on the same level playing field.”

    These kinds of incidents take place at every university, said Jordan Kobritz, a former attorney who teaches sport management at Eastern New Mexico University and has written on NCAA relations.

    The only difference between student-athletes and regular students are the rules and monitoring by the NCAA, he said. Members of the chess club, for example, have likely hosted and fed new students with no repercussions, he said.

    “An academic student doesn’t have a compliance officer monitoring what benefits they receive,” Kobritz said.

    Further, Kobritz agrees with Boise State President Bob Kustra, who believes the NCAA’s rules are unwieldy and confusing.

    “(Kustra) is right and the fans who think this is Mickey Mouse are also right,” he said. “The rules are intricate, they are detailed. ... Some of them are realistic and some of them are totally unrealistic.”

    But Kobritz also levels a finger at the Boise State administration and the athletic department.

    “Reading the NCAA rulebook sometimes is like reading the Internal Revenue Code. It is that clear, which is clear as mud,” he said. “But it is incumbent on adminstration to send the message to the coaching staff that this is important.”

    Boise State may be experiencing “growing pains” because of the rise of its football program. But while the football budget has grown, other areas may have languished financially, including the compliance office, Kobritz said.

    As part of the school’s response to the NCAA allegations, Boise State has doubled the size of its compliance department to three full-time officials and moved it from athletics to the president’s office.

    So when the NCAA sees numerous, repeat violations over time and across multiple sports, investigators start to wonder, Edge said.

    “Where was the head coach? Did the head coach not know? And if he did not know, why?” Edge said. “It looks like a pattern. ... Why didn’t these people know? I think the NCAA takes that pretty seriously. That is why they are accusing them of a lack of institutional control.”

    Universities hire compliance officers for a reason, and they should have followed up with the NCAA if rules are unclear or ambiguous, Edge said.

    “When you’re a smaller program and when you don’t have national notoriety, it may be easier to function with a very small staff that’s buried inside the athletic program,” Kustra told the Idaho Statesman. “We’re no longer a program like that. ... I want to make sure the entire management structure is appropriate for the new level of compliance, the new level of leadership that is required.”

    He said Boise State’s coaches can no longer make assumptions about rules. They must first clear actions with a compliance officer.

    Bad timing may also be playing against Boise State, Kobritz said.

    The NCAA has recently been accused of handling major violations with kid gloves, he said, pointing to high-profile cases at the University of Southern California, Auburn and Ohio State that allege big-time star athletes or their families have been given improper benefits.

    “The NCAA is a little bit defensive and they want to show they are going to enforce these rules and enforce them consistently,” Kobritz said. “Boise State is right in their crosshairs.”

    The experts agree that Boise State has taken positive steps toward fixing its internal problems. And these self-imposed punishments look good, they said.

    University officials will have the opportunity to make their case in June and may be able to fend off the most serious charge, a lack of institutional control, Buckner said.

    No one thinks the NCAA will impose the dreaded “death penalty” and shut down any sports programs.

    But additional sanctions are a possibility, he said.

    Meanwhile, Kobritz contends the NCAA was a “little quick” to allege a lack of institutional control.

    The experts agree that the outcome for Boise State is uncertain.

    “You can never predict what the NCAA will do,” Kobritz said. “The only thing that is predictable is that the bigger the fish you are, the kinder they are going to treat you. ... BSU is not a bigger fish.”

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