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You're right, his players actually played the game the right way & didn't cheat. What he did was morally wrong, but that didn't effect their performance on the field. You want the statue gone, fine. The rest of the punishments I have no problem with, but why punish the players who went out and won the games? They didn't do anything
The players went through the games and experienced the wins first hand. They can't take away the memories.
I think it was more about taking Joes name out of the record book, and telling others that if you decide to put football, or your image, over human decency, others won't just look the other way.
I didn't know about "the e-mail" ... I've been out today.
I still agree with the opinion that this and football should be separate.
I'm from the area, so I've had 28 years of Joe Paterno and Penn State. I don't want JoePa's career be erased because he made the wrong decision trying to protect his organization. I think it's pretty obvious he didn't agree with it. Maybe at that time Sandusky had promised him the behavior was over and he thought they could sweep it under the rug and not create what is happening now. Not the right decision but many in his position might make the same to avoid the firestorm they're going through. Hell, it killed the man.
I just feel really bad about the whole thing.
My family also grew up hating West Virginia... >.>
Wow.
Bob was at a party, he was stupid and did some coke. We swept that under the rug.
Jim had to much to drink, and beat some guy up in the street. We swept that under the rug.
Ken got an F in math. We swept that under the rug.
Jerry raped 10 children. We swept that under the rug.
I don't see how you can justify that by any stretch of the imagination.....
Nope, it is not justifiable by any means. Just saying that he probably wouldn't be the only one to make that same decision and try to save their team.
That there shows the lack of human decency these people have. Paterno, the president of the university, the athletic director, and all the others that were aware of this and just ignored it put their football team over the children that were sexually molested by Sandusky.
If anybody sees or knows about something wrong like this - it is their duty to inform law enforcement. By choosing team over victim they have shown a complete lack of decency. What else would they cover up? If they will cover up a coach raping young boys, what else will they cover up? Where does it stop? Further, with the fanaticism that Penn State has shown over Sandusky (the riots, etc..) they clearly have shown that they agreed with the cover up.
That is why the football program needs to be suspended for multiple seasons. That entire culture that exists at that university needs to CEASE to be. I don't care how big that program is - they have already shown their true colors and just how far they as a community will go to protect a child molester and his enablers.
That there shows the lack of human decency these people have. Paterno, the president of the university, the athletic director, and all the others that were aware of this and just ignored it put their football team over the children that were sexually molested by Sandusky.
If anybody sees or knows about something wrong like this - it is their duty to inform law enforcement. By choosing team over victim they have shown a complete lack of decency. What else would they cover up? If they will cover up a coach raping young boys, what else will they cover up? Where does it stop?
Further, with the fanaticism that Penn State has shown over Sandusky (the riots, etc..) they clearly have shown that they agreed with the cover up.
That is why the football program needs to be suspended for multiple seasons. That entire culture that exists at that university needs to CEASE to be. I don't care how big that program is - they have already shown their true colors and just how far they as a community will go to protect a child molester and his enablers.
I agree with that, for sure.
I don't agree with that, at all. There was not one person rioting for Sandusky.
Why punish the student athletes? The people associated with it are all gone now.
The players went through the games and experienced the wins first hand. They can't take away the memories.
I think it was more about taking Joes name out of the record book, and telling others that if you decide to put football, or your image, over human decency, others won't just look the other way.
So while you're at it, why not take away all his wins? Erase his name from the record books completely. The police department commended what he did
"Happiness is just an illusion, filled with sadness and confusion." Jimmy Ruffin
I don't agree with that, at all. There was not one person rioting for Sandusky.
Why punish the student athletes? The people associated with it are all gone now.
They rioted as soon as they found out that Paterno was involved and they rioted because they wanted to "protect him."
I meant to write Paterno as opposed to Sandusky in that one instance.
Paterno and company protected Sandusky and allowed him to continue to have a presence at the university even after they knew about his history.
The students that rioted did so because they are loyal to Paterno and the football program - to them they are the victims rather than the children. Look around the news, you see the reactions from Penn Staters - they are "devastated" by this much more lenient decision.
No Bowl games for 4 years (or whatever)? They still get to go and enjoy Penn State football. They still get to attend Joe Paterno Library. They still get to continue to have the same culture that allowed this to be swept under the rug for as log as it did.
The university's football program should be stripped completely. This "Bowl Ban" doesn't do enough. They still get to keep their football program. They still get to attract more people and conveniently enough the Library (where students are encouraged to be quiet during study time) is named after a person who kept quiet!
Finally,someone with some sense...I dont understand how people can sit here and say this had nothing to do with football when it did.....Joe Paterno allowed something like this to happen......ON CAMPUS....and yet did nothing......If I was on the board on the NCAA,I would gotten rid of the football program,fine them for a billion dollars,get rid everybody that knew about it, allow the players to transfer to other universities/colleges,with no consequences,melt the statue and change the name of the library
I dont understand how anyone other than the family can defend what Joe Paterno did to those kids.....I know Sandusky was the actual person who did but Paterno is as guilty as him....
i have a hard time with this because of just how awful it was.
but on the otherside of things the NCAA really shouldnt get involved with something that isnt specifically football related. Sandusky is going to jail forever and Joe Pa is dead, whoever else was involved should be prosecuted to the fullest extent
but this kinda falls out of NCAA jurisdiction to basically kill this program.
if someone kills somebody you dont go after the company they worked for
If the person was known to his company to be a killer, then was found killing someone within the company facility and the company decided to keep things in-house because it is "the humane thing to do", you can be darn sure the company is then going to be held liable to a large extent...
There is no proof Paterno knew what was going on other than "oh I'm angry so he must have". The only reason they docked wins was so Bowden could be number one. Bowden sits and says "I can't celebrate passing Joe" while he has a smirk on his face.
Penalties obviously too harsh.
I work with a diehard Penn State alum who grew up in PA and who has told me his favorite childhood memory was when his father handed down a Penn State '78 t-shirt to him & his wife (also a Penn State grad) read the entire Freeh report and might disagree with the "no proof" stance you put forward. Now, I haven't read it myself, so I cannot dispute your assertion - but hopefully you were joking about this being about Bowden getting to be #1 instead of Paterno.
I work with a diehard Penn State alum who grew up in PA and who has told me his favorite childhood memory was when his father handed down a Penn State '78 t-shirt to him & his wife (also a Penn State grad) read the entire Freeh report and might disagree with the "no proof" stance you put forward. Now, I haven't read it myself, so I cannot dispute your assertion - but hopefully you were joking about this being about Bowden getting to be #1 instead of Paterno.
I perused most of the Freeh report and there is plenty of evidence that Paterno and the entire college staff knew what was going on. At one point an email is quoted as saying something to the effect of the faculty member changing his mind on how to deal with one of the early reports after talking it over with Paterno and agreeing that he felt they should sit down with Jerry and tell him to stop it. That right there shows that there was some collusion in trying to cover it up.
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If the person was known to his company to be a killer, then was found killing someone within the company facility and the company decided to keep things in-house because it is "the humane thing to do", you can be darn sure the company is then going to be held liable to a large extent....
maybe so but the people that come into work after? they should be punished as well
as much as people want to make it a "football" issue it isnt, plain and simple, its a legality issue unless the NCAA has specific rules against this (which i doubt). they didnt cheat in anyway, and were punished by the law seperately.
maybe so but the people that come into work after? they should be punished as well
as much as people want to make it a "football" issue it isnt, plain and simple, its a legality issue unless the NCAA has specific rules against this (which i doubt). they didnt cheat in anyway, and were punished by the law seperately.
I think I see what you're getting at. I guess I just see it differently than you. Paterno WAS football. Paterno WAS Penn State. His involvement in covering things up made it a football issue - although it's not directly about competing fairly on the field, to be sure.
2.1 THE PRINCIPLE OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL AND
RESPONSIBILITY
2.1.1 Responsibility for Control. It is the responsibility of each member institution to control its intercollegiate athletics program in compliance with the rules and regulations of the Association. The institution’s president or chancellor is responsible for the administration of all aspects of the athletics program, including approval of the budget and audit of all expenditures. (Revised: 3/8/06)
2.1.2 Scope of Responsibility. The institution’s responsibility for the conduct of its intercollegiate athletics program includes responsibility for the actions of its staff members and for the actions of any other individual or organization engaged in activities promoting the athletics interests of the institution.
2.4 THE PRINCIPLE OF SPORTSMANSHIP AND ETHICAL CONDUCT
For intercollegiate athletics to promote the character development of participants, to enhance the integrity of higher education and to promote civility in society, student-athletes, coaches, and all others associated with these athletics programs and events should adhere to such fundamental values as respect, fairness, civility, honesty and responsibility. These values should be manifest not only in athletics participation, but also in the broad spectrum of activities affecting the athletics program. It is the responsibility of each institution to: (Revised: 1/9/96)
(a) Establish policies for sportsmanship and ethical conduct in intercollegiate athletics consistent with the educational mission and goals of the institution; and (Adopted: 1/9/96)
(b) Educate, on a continuing basis, all constituencies about the policies in Constitution 2.4-(a). (Adopted: 1/9/96)
Penn State University is a state school with funding from various sources. How can the NCAA claim the right to $60 million? Students will wonder exactly who is being penalized when tuition increases and their predatory loans go up.
"Stultum est timere quod vitare non potes." ~ Publilius Syrus
Penn State University is a state school with funding from various sources. How can the NCAA claim the right to $60 million? Students will wonder exactly who is being penalized when tuition increases and their predatory loans go up.
$60 million fine. The NCAA imposes a $60 million fine, equivalent to the approximate average of one year's gross revenues from the Penn State football program, to be paid over a five-year period beginning in 2012 into an endowment for programs preventing child sexual abuse and/or assisting the victims of child sexual abuse. The minimum annual payment will be $12 million until the $60 million is paid. The proceeds of this fine may not be used to fund programs at the University. No current sponsored athletic team may be reduced or eliminated in order to fund this fine.
The NCAA isn't banking the $60 million for their own coffers. They're putting it into use for preventing child sexual abuse and helping victims of child sexual abuse.
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