Heisman

[CoryWinget81]

Manziel participated in Bayless' lunacy?

Well I guess my vote goes to Manti now.

[CoryWinget81]

i realize what you are saying and that one Alabama win alone is not what would win him the Heisman, its what has propelled him to be the front runner, which he is.

you have to realize that no pure defensive player has ever won it so its really no different than Manziel winning as a freshmen. ive never understood not giving it to a freshmen if he is the best player in football, same with a defensive player.

Te'o has better numbers than Woodson had including more TD's I believe.

[Amari24]

i realize what you are saying and that one Alabama win alone is not what would win him the Heisman, its what has propelled him to be the front runner, which he is.

you have to realize that no pure defensive player has ever won it so its really no different than Manziel winning as a freshmen. ive never understood not giving it to a freshmen if he is the best player in football, same with a defensive player.

I agree. It still leaves a bad taste in my mouth that Adrian Peterson was snubbed as a freshmen when he was clearly the best player that year (IMO).

As for defense, Te'o won't win it if Mathieu couldn't win it last year. Mathieu was even returning kicks and punts on top of playing defense while Te'o is strictly a defender. He would probably get my vote, though.

[CoryWinget81]

Sadly, he has no shot.

I wouldn't say that. He's a Golden Domer. Everyone's darlings.

[Amari24]

I wouldn't say that. He's a Golden Domer. Everyone's darlings.

Sorry about that. I forgot to delete that part as it was originally intended for my statement about freshmen winning the Heisman in this case Johnny Football. I just left it out altogether.

[DenverBlood]

i realize what you are saying and that one Alabama win alone is not what would win him the Heisman, its what has propelled him to be the front runner, which he is.

you have to realize that no pure defensive player has ever won it so its really no different than Manziel winning as a freshmen. ive never understood not giving it to a freshmen if he is the best player in football, same with a defensive player.

I'm probably not making my argument correctly.

I don't think Te'o should win it purely because Manziel is a freshman. I'm not one of those old crazy tradition guys.

I think it should be TE'o based on production for the only undefeated team and the fact that Manziel cost his team two games aside of the Bama game. I only meant he still has time to impress later but not to ignore that Te'o impressed me more.

Would I be surprised if Manziel wins? No. But it should be Te'o.

[baphamet]

Te'o has better numbers than Woodson had including more TD's I believe.

CW was also a kick returner and played some WR.

no pure defensive player has ever won the Heisman.

also, in CW's Heisman season he had 4 TD's, one on ST's and three rushing/receiving. on op of that he was a shut down corner with 8 int's

does Manti Te'o have any TD's? or did you mean int's?

don't get me wrong, i am not saying he doesn't deserve to win the Heisman, i am just saying that if he deserves it as a pure defensive player so does Manziel for being a freshmen.

[baphamet]

I'm probably not making my argument correctly.

I don't think Te'o should win it purely because Manziel is a freshman. I'm not one of those old crazy tradition guys.

I think it should be TE'o based on production for the only undefeated team and the fact that Manziel cost his team two games aside of the Bama game. I only meant he still has time to impress later but not to ignore that Te'o impressed me more.

Would I be surprised if Manziel wins? No. But it should be Te'o.

fair enough,i personally don't have a problem with either one winning it.

[DenverBlood]

fair enough,i personally don't have a problem with either one winning it.

I have a problem with Manziel winning it. Klein had 1 bad game.

If you're going to throw losing QB's back into the mix over Te'o then why not Klein? He was ahead of Manziel in the race all season and his team can win the Big 12 tomorrow with a win.

This is coming from a die hard SEC fan that if it stil goes to a QB I think it should be Klein not Manziel.

[the0rangecrush]

Cmon HeisManti

[one5beast]

im going with JohnnyFootball

[the0rangecrush]

2 missed tackles the entire season playing 98% of the snaps

[one5beast]

saw this pic

Dat wasnt even a finalist

[the0rangecrush]

saw this pic

Dat wasnt even a finalist

lol but Te'o has forced fumbles this season

[InsaneBlaze23]

I want Manti to win, but I doubt he does. Johnny wouldn't even be in the talkings if he didn't beat Bama.

So really, I think this is just a bad Heisman class/group.