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  • #16
    Originally posted by broncos SB2010 View Post
    I don't know......if an option team hit that weak side and beat the Will.....TD...or big gain at least. You would have to have a heck of a Mike or FS to get over there to make that play.

    Offensive teams may not do well on every play but I think they would get yards in bunches and I think PAP would be very effective against this defense at the HS level as well if they had decent blocking up front. My experience is nothing like Sam's, I am unsure about yours, but I don't think I would be comfortable committing so many guys to to the LOS and leaving the second level so exposed.
    A good Veer blocking line can take the weak side End out of force on triple, or load with the weak side Back on Speed-O. Mostly, the play side End is the read man with the T releasing to the Backer. I've seen Veer lines hand defenders off as they work their way out and up.

    On the alignment you chalked up, there are five offensive players on the weak side pre-snap to 4 1/2 defenders. If option goes weak, offense quickly goes to seven within the first three steps while D is five or six at the most. If the play is from the short side to the field, and the pitch man is fast, it could be off to the races.

    Option teams are patient; so are Wing-T teams. They say their offense " ... is like novocaine. It takes a while, but it always works."
    Last edited by samparnell; 03-22-2014, 07:08 PM.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by samparnell View Post
      A good Veer blocking line can take the weak side End out of force on triple, or load with the weak side Back on Speed-O. I've seen Veer lines hand defenders off as they work their way out and up.

      On the alignment you chalked up, there are five offensive players on the weak side pre-snap to 4 1/2 defenders. If option goes weak, offense quickly goes to seven within the first three steps while D is five or six at the most. If the play is from the short side to the field, and the pitch man is fast, it could be off to the races.

      Option teams are patient; so are Wing-T teams. They say their offense " ... is like novocaine. It takes a while, but it always works."
      That's along the lines of what I was thinking too. The D would never have the #s in their favor on the weak side and no one at the second level to make a play of the front line got beat.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by broncos SB2010 View Post
        what if they singled the 3 technique, kick out the DE with the OT then Will has to take the B gap and the dive player allowing the option to go outside the DE, especially if they playing out of Gun or Pistol. They could just give it to the dive back and the Will would have have to make that 1-on-1 tackle every time.

        They could even combo the 3 and Will, kick out the DE with a lead TB and run right through the B gap. I don't know...I don't like it. I never ran that defense but it just looks too risky to me.
        Since the 3 tech is in a outside shade they would need a dang good guard who can seal the B gap with a great reach block which isn't guaranteed at the high school level.

        The tango call for the 46 could help prevent the kick out. The responsibilities of the Will and End change with the tango allowing the DE to aggressively collapse on the dive, the Will shuffles to outside to slow play the pitch, the FS takes the QB as the alley player and of your 3 tech can beat the reach from the guard he will destroy the B gap. With the 46 alignment the Mike should stay clean with the 3-0-3 alignment inside which allows him to be aggressive on the backside pursuit.

        It's a tough matchup against the weak side option but every defensive alignment has it's flaws.

        Taking a double team on the combo block is not hard to teach. The 3tech should be coached to be hyper aware of the combo and should post up the guard and punch the tackle with his butt to get his hips in the hole to create a pile. If the NT, and the strong side 3 win against the offensive line then the mike will come free. That gives you a 4 on 3 advantage with the triple option.
        Last edited by crash123go; 03-22-2014, 02:53 PM.
        A healthy Kenneth Dixon is a top 5 NFL RB.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by crash123go View Post
          Since the 3 tech is in a outside shade they would need a dang good guard who can seal the B gap with a great reach block which isn't guaranteed at the high school level.

          The tango call for the 46 could help prevent the kick out. The responsibilities of the Will and End change with the tango allowing the DE to aggressively collapse on the dive, the Will shuffles to outside to slow play the pitch, the FS takes the QB as the alley player and of your 3 tech can beat the reach from the guard he will destroy the B gap. With the 46 alignment the Mike should stay clean with the 3-0-3 alignment inside which allows him to be aggressive on the backside pursuit.

          It's a tough matchup against the weak side option but every defensive alignment has it's flaws.

          Taking a double team on the combo block is not hard to teach. The 3tech should be coached to be hyper aware of the combo and should post up the guard and punch the tackle with his butt to get his hips in the hole to create a pile. If the NT, and the strong side 3 win against the offensive line then the mike will come free. That gives you a 4 on 3 advantage with the triple option.
          have you tried this in a game? My team reach blocks every game and nearly every run play we run.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by broncos SB2010 View Post
            have you tried this in a game? My team reach blocks every game and nearly every run play we run.
            Yes. Reach and Scoop were blocks I could get freshmen to do well ... once they figured out with which foot to lead. Down blocks were harder for them to master. Zone steps were not difficult for them either. Once they learned that they have two feet, that they can't be moved at the same time and that there is one right and one left.

            I got my Veer playbooks down and did a quick refresher. It reminded me of trying to defend an experienced and well coached Veer offense whose line had their rules down pat. If option was all you had to worry about, you might be OK. Then there's several Traps, several Counters, Draw, Blast, Spinner, Belly, Quick Pitch, Reverse, Double Dive, Power, Boot and PAPs. Option plays themselves are several plays in one.

            Veer is an offense with a lot of volume and big play capability.
            Last edited by samparnell; 03-22-2014, 07:09 PM.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by samparnell View Post
              Yes. Reach and Scoop were blocks I could get freshmen to do well ... once they figured out with which foot to lead. Down blocks were harder for them to master. Zone steps were not difficult for them either. Once they learned that they have two feet, that they can't be moved at the same time and that there is one right and one left. :D

              I got my Veer playbooks down and did a quick refresher. It reminded me of trying to defend an experienced and well coached Veer offense whose line had their rules down pat. If option was all you had to worry about, you might be OK. Then there's several Traps, several Counters, Draw, Blast, Spinner, Belly, Quick Pitch, Reverse, Double Dive, Power, Boot and PAPs. Option plays themselves are several plays in one.

              Veer is an offense with a lot of volume and big play capability.
              sounds familiar...hehehehehehehe
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              • #22
                Originally posted by broncos SB2010 View Post
                have you tried this in a game? My team reach blocks every game and nearly every run play we run.
                Haven't got that far yet. Still studying the 46
                A healthy Kenneth Dixon is a top 5 NFL RB.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by crash123go View Post
                  Haven't got that far yet. Still studying the 46
                  Are you the DC? Will your HC let you run it?

                  What kinds of offenses do the opponents on your schedule run? Do many of them run Veer?
                  "Stultum est timere quod vitare non potes." ~ Publilius Syrus

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