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Yes. Reach and Scoop were blocks I could get freshmen to do well ... once they figured out with which foot to lead. Down blocks were harder for them to master. Zone steps were not difficult for them either. Once they learned that they have two feet, that they can't be moved at the same time and that there is one right and one left. :D
I got my Veer playbooks down and did a quick refresher. It reminded me of trying to defend an experienced and well coached Veer offense whose line had their rules down pat. If option was all you had to worry about, you might be OK. Then there's several Traps, several Counters, Draw, Blast, Spinner, Belly, Quick Pitch, Reverse, Double Dive, Power, Boot and PAPs. Option plays themselves are several plays in one.
Veer is an offense with a lot of volume and big play capability.
have you tried this in a game? My team reach blocks every game and nearly every run play we run.
Yes. Reach and Scoop were blocks I could get freshmen to do well ... once they figured out with which foot to lead. Down blocks were harder for them to master. Zone steps were not difficult for them either. Once they learned that they have two feet, that they can't be moved at the same time and that there is one right and one left.
I got my Veer playbooks down and did a quick refresher. It reminded me of trying to defend an experienced and well coached Veer offense whose line had their rules down pat. If option was all you had to worry about, you might be OK. Then there's several Traps, several Counters, Draw, Blast, Spinner, Belly, Quick Pitch, Reverse, Double Dive, Power, Boot and PAPs. Option plays themselves are several plays in one.
Veer is an offense with a lot of volume and big play capability.
Since the 3 tech is in a outside shade they would need a dang good guard who can seal the B gap with a great reach block which isn't guaranteed at the high school level.
The tango call for the 46 could help prevent the kick out. The responsibilities of the Will and End change with the tango allowing the DE to aggressively collapse on the dive, the Will shuffles to outside to slow play the pitch, the FS takes the QB as the alley player and of your 3 tech can beat the reach from the guard he will destroy the B gap. With the 46 alignment the Mike should stay clean with the 3-0-3 alignment inside which allows him to be aggressive on the backside pursuit.
It's a tough matchup against the weak side option but every defensive alignment has it's flaws.
Taking a double team on the combo block is not hard to teach. The 3tech should be coached to be hyper aware of the combo and should post up the guard and punch the tackle with his butt to get his hips in the hole to create a pile. If the NT, and the strong side 3 win against the offensive line then the mike will come free. That gives you a 4 on 3 advantage with the triple option.
have you tried this in a game? My team reach blocks every game and nearly every run play we run.
what if they singled the 3 technique, kick out the DE with the OT then Will has to take the B gap and the dive player allowing the option to go outside the DE, especially if they playing out of Gun or Pistol. They could just give it to the dive back and the Will would have have to make that 1-on-1 tackle every time.
They could even combo the 3 and Will, kick out the DE with a lead TB and run right through the B gap. I don't know...I don't like it. I never ran that defense but it just looks too risky to me.
Since the 3 tech is in a outside shade they would need a dang good guard who can seal the B gap with a great reach block which isn't guaranteed at the high school level.
The tango call for the 46 could help prevent the kick out. The responsibilities of the Will and End change with the tango allowing the DE to aggressively collapse on the dive, the Will shuffles to outside to slow play the pitch, the FS takes the QB as the alley player and of your 3 tech can beat the reach from the guard he will destroy the B gap. With the 46 alignment the Mike should stay clean with the 3-0-3 alignment inside which allows him to be aggressive on the backside pursuit.
It's a tough matchup against the weak side option but every defensive alignment has it's flaws.
Taking a double team on the combo block is not hard to teach. The 3tech should be coached to be hyper aware of the combo and should post up the guard and punch the tackle with his butt to get his hips in the hole to create a pile. If the NT, and the strong side 3 win against the offensive line then the mike will come free. That gives you a 4 on 3 advantage with the triple option.
A good Veer blocking line can take the weak side End out of force on triple, or load with the weak side Back on Speed-O. I've seen Veer lines hand defenders off as they work their way out and up.
On the alignment you chalked up, there are five offensive players on the weak side pre-snap to 4 1/2 defenders. If option goes weak, offense quickly goes to seven within the first three steps while D is five or six at the most. If the play is from the short side to the field, and the pitch man is fast, it could be off to the races.
Option teams are patient; so are Wing-T teams. They say their offense " ... is like novocaine. It takes a while, but it always works."
That's along the lines of what I was thinking too. The D would never have the #s in their favor on the weak side and no one at the second level to make a play of the front line got beat.
I don't know......if an option team hit that weak side and beat the Will.....TD...or big gain at least. You would have to have a heck of a Mike or FS to get over there to make that play.
Offensive teams may not do well on every play but I think they would get yards in bunches and I think PAP would be very effective against this defense at the HS level as well if they had decent blocking up front. My experience is nothing like Sam's, I am unsure about yours, but I don't think I would be comfortable committing so many guys to to the LOS and leaving the second level so exposed.
A good Veer blocking line can take the weak side End out of force on triple, or load with the weak side Back on Speed-O. Mostly, the play side End is the read man with the T releasing to the Backer. I've seen Veer lines hand defenders off as they work their way out and up.
On the alignment you chalked up, there are five offensive players on the weak side pre-snap to 4 1/2 defenders. If option goes weak, offense quickly goes to seven within the first three steps while D is five or six at the most. If the play is from the short side to the field, and the pitch man is fast, it could be off to the races.
Option teams are patient; so are Wing-T teams. They say their offense " ... is like novocaine. It takes a while, but it always works."
Against option teams you can focus a little more on the weak side option because it would be almost insane to try and run the option against the strong side.
The DE has the pitch responsibilities as the force, the will is your dive as the spill player and the FS is your alley. It's more important that your 3tech be hyper aware of the double team from the guard and tackle, if they don't double team him then he should be able to beat the reach block of the guard and wreck the B gap which will give the QB a pitch read. Now there should be a two on one on the pitch with the DE and the FS.
There are also many different play calls to change the option responsibilities which can be more affective then the base blue call.
what if they singled the 3 technique, kick out the DE with the OT then Will has to take the B gap and the dive player allowing the option to go outside the DE, especially if they playing out of Gun or Pistol. They could just give it to the dive back and the Will would have have to make that 1-on-1 tackle every time.
They could even combo the 3 and Will, kick out the DE with a lead TB and run right through the B gap. I don't know...I don't like it. I never ran that defense but it just looks too risky to me.
I don't know......if an option team hit that weak side and beat the Will.....TD...or big gain at least. You would have to have a heck of a Mike or FS to get over there to make that play.
Offensive teams may not do well on every play but I think they would get yards in bunches and I think PAP would be very effective against this defense at the HS level as well if they had decent blocking up front. My experience is nothing like Sam's, I am unsure about yours, but I don't think I would be comfortable committing so many guys to to the LOS and leaving the second level so exposed.
Against option teams you can focus a little more on the weak side option because it would be almost insane to try and run the option against the strong side.
The DE has the pitch responsibilities as the force, the will is your dive as the spill player and the FS is your alley. It's more important that your 3tech be hyper aware of the double team from the guard and tackle, if they don't double team him then he should be able to beat the reach block of the guard and wreck the B gap which will give the QB a pitch read. Now there should be a two on one on the pitch with the DE and the FS.
There are also many different play calls to change the option responsibilities which can be more affective then the base blue call.
I don't know......if an option team hit that weak side and beat the Will.....TD...or big gain at least. You would have to have a heck of a Mike or FS to get over there to make that play.
Offensive teams may not do well on every play but I think they would get yards in bunches and I think PAP would be very effective against this defense at the HS level as well if they had decent blocking up front. My experience is nothing like Sam's, I am unsure about yours, but I don't think I would be comfortable committing so many guys to to the LOS and leaving the second level so exposed.
Sam LB--inside foot on tight end outside foot on LOS
Will LB outside foot on TE inside foot on LOS
Mike LB--headup on OT 4.5 yards off LOS
left end--shaded outside OG
left tackle--headup on OC
right tackle--shaded outside OG
right end--1 yard outside of OT on LOS
SS headup on OT 4.5 yards off LOS
I didn't read the whole book but by looking at some of the play formations sometimes the Sam and SS switch positions and sometimes the Will lines up over the weakside OT off the LOS with Sam inside TE and SS outside TE.
edit...It likes most of the plays diagrammed have the SS outside TE, Sam inside TE, Will over OT off LOS. like this pic with the $ as SS but the RDE is not shaded, he is out 1 yard
I am going to assume the "traditional 4-6" is what Buddy ran and moving the SS up to the LOS and moving will back was an adjustment by Rex. To me, they look pretty much identical it's just the position names are different.
It's also a adjustment Rex Ryan made to the 46 while he was coaching in college to attack the weak side option and to get a better advantage against the TE. The Rex Ryan book is my bible, I'm studying it to a point where I have it completely memorized. He never adjust out of his base set with the SS at the 9 and the Will at the 40 unless faced with a multiple receiver set or a split TE.
This is a strong system to coach even in high school because you don't have multiple reads for the linebackers, it is designed to keep your linebackers clean, it puts pressure on the offensive line every play and limits what blocking schemes can be used against it. Having a defensive player in each gap makes it very difficult for any offensive scheme if you are smart enough to coach it, teach it and call it.
The 46 is designed to handle any offensive formation, you just have to know how to call it, how to adjust and how to study the opponents film. Ryan covers how to defend 3 wr sets, 4 wr sets and even empty.
Sam you can't just hand pick certain players on the dline and call it a odd front. In the 4-3 bear there are 4 defensive lineman on the LOS, the Sam and the SS you have a 4 man dline which makes it a even man front. In Rex Ryan's bear defense he runs in NY they are a base 3-4 which will give you a odd man front.
Sam LB--inside foot on tight end outside foot on LOS
Will LB outside foot on TE inside foot on LOS
Mike LB--headup on OT 4.5 yards off LOS
left end--shaded outside OG
left tackle--headup on OC
right tackle--shaded outside OG
right end--1 yard outside of OT on LOS
SS headup on OT 4.5 yards off LOS
I didn't read the whole book but by looking at some of the play formations sometimes the Sam and SS switch positions and sometimes the Will lines up over the weakside OT off the LOS with Sam inside TE and SS outside TE.
edit...It likes most of the plays diagrammed have the SS outside TE, Sam inside TE, Will over OT off LOS. like this pic with the $ as SS but the RDE is not shaded, he is out 1 yard
I am going to assume the "traditional 4-6" is what Buddy ran and moving the SS up to the LOS and moving will back was an adjustment by Rex. To me, they look pretty much identical it's just the position names are different.
OK, a 0 tech and two 3 techs, an odd front inside. As you know, in HS football, whether or not a front is split or odd matters to how the offensive line plans to block the D based on scouting. It helps a lot if a team has an end zone camera and has access to EZ video. During the game, it helps a lot if there are some sharp coaches in the box who can tell the sideline exactly how the D is lining up. The sideline view isn't the greatest and some rural press boxes aren't that high.
During my time, we ran both odd and split fronts. The biggest deal about an odd front was always the 0 tech. Finding a kid who could at least stand his ground against a double was consistently the biggest problem with running an odd front. Even the 3-3-5 which spills runs to the sideline was an issue because the 0 tech played an A Gap and was against some big OL. Getting the DL to play low and not stand up was always addressed at practice. We spent a lot of time in the trap chute.
Odd fronts are a little more limited on how much stemming the DL can do. Our most successful D was a split six. We stemmed and sugared the DTs and inside Backers on each play and changed the calls so that the DTs were lined up differently on consecutive identical D & D situations. The jam and slide technique of run D, which I saw the Broncos use in 2011, was very successful. The last time we won a District Championship, the leading tackler was one of the DTs and the fourth was the other. They played both ways.
In HS football it helps for a defense and its coaches to be as flexible as possible due to the variety of offenses they will play. My experience showed more variety than pro football and most college conferences. Although, at one time, the MWC had 3-3-5, 4-2-5, 3-4 and 4-3 defenses and offenses which were pass heavy, run heavy and balanced including everything from Wishbone to Run and Shoot.
When I was coaching, we saw Single Wing, Split Backs Veer, Wishbone, Power I, Option I, Wing-T, Spread, Spread Option and, on GL/short yardage, Full House T and Stack/Full I. During one season, we would have to defend Option teams with zone blocking, smash mouth teams, misdirection teams and teams with an all out passing attack not to mention those that tried to be balanced. We had success with the Split Six because it offered flexibility from game to game if our scouting, game plan and week of practice was good.
The Bear defense is aggressive and difficult, but not impossible to run on. A good passing team can have some success with that approach against the Bear D. The DL will be the key to success.
Self scouting is essential to finding and fixing problems. Changing players isn't a luxury many HS coaches have. I have been asked on the sideline if I had someone who could do better than "so-and-so". In those situations, I turned around and looked at the bench then looked back at the field and said, "'So-and-so' is doing just fine." Coaching on the sideline is always necessary and difficult if a kid is playing both ways.
The Bear is strong at LOS and less so in the secondary and at the second level. If I was running the Bear, I would spend a lot of time compensating for any offensive success last week's opponent had in preparation for the next because that's what they will do. Beating up on a weak team shouldn't be allowed to distract. Emphasize what opposing offenses did well and fix it, if possible. I question how flexible the Bear D can be, and still maintain its basic concepts.
IMO the biggest differences between HS and pro football are the hashmarks and the play clock. When playing triple option teams, the ball will often go outside the hash which means the ball will most often be put into play from the hash. For defense, that means c.50' to the boundary and c.100' of field from where the ball is put into play, and the plays are happening fast. Many HS teams use no huddle. Three guys I coached with are at Zach Gentry's HS where they have been running no huddle since his soph year.
The single high Safety in the Bear will need to be in the middle of the field, not over the ball. An option offense that lines up strong to the boundary and is able to pitch to a fast back to the field will find a lot of running room. What to do? Those extra guys over the TE might be needed elsewhere.
A good number of high school teams use formations with 11, 10 personnel or even empty. This puts a lot of strain on a HS Bear D. In order to counter the kind of spread passing attacks seen in HS, a Bear would need to have versatile players. They are rare at the HS level.
When you do, check to see if the 46 has a 0 tech and two 3 techs, and get back to me on that.
traditional 4-6 alignment...pg 9
Sam LB--inside foot on tight end outside foot on LOS
Will LB outside foot on TE inside foot on LOS
Mike LB--headup on OT 4.5 yards off LOS
left end--shaded outside OG
left tackle--headup on OC
right tackle--shaded outside OG
right end--1 yard outside of OT on LOS
SS headup on OT 4.5 yards off LOS
I didn't read the whole book but by looking at some of the play formations sometimes the Sam and SS switch positions and sometimes the Will lines up over the weakside OT off the LOS with Sam inside TE and SS outside TE.
edit...It likes most of the plays diagrammed have the SS outside TE, Sam inside TE, Will over OT off LOS. like this pic with the $ as SS but the RDE is not shaded, he is out 1 yard
I am going to assume the "traditional 4-6" is what Buddy ran and moving the SS up to the LOS and moving will back was an adjustment by Rex. To me, they look pretty much identical it's just the position names are different.
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