THe best in the nfc

[JED Bronco]

Re: Re: Talent + Gibbs = NFC Champs

Originally posted by EagleInLA
I think the team that one the last three NFC East titles will still be in the Redskins way(Eagles). For the last two years Snyder has gone out and spent exhorbitant amounts of money to try and buy a playoff worthy team. Every preseason all the "experts" pick the Redskins to be one of the best in the NFC and both years they've ended up at the bottom of the standings. New system, new players, and new coaches for the third year in a row. If Snyder give up his control to Gibbs they could be a great team in A COUPLE OF YEARS.

The NFC East has three teams in a transistionary state, it will be a good division this year and possibly a great division the year after.

In the NFL you don't have a couple of years any more...Free agency, coaches having to keep their jobs...etc; If you have noticed ? Joe Gibbs has acquired OL to match up with Portis the old Hogg coach has returned, and the NFC East hasn't seen a decent dominating running game in years. Joe don't play that wait and see stuff with players. He'll make the talent rise or cut it.

[EagleInLA]

Re: Re: Re: Talent + Gibbs = NFC Champs

Originally posted by JED Bronco
In the NFL you don't have a couple of years any more...Free agency, coaches having to keep their jobs...etc; If you have noticed ? Joe Gibbs has acquired OL to match up with Portis the old Hogg coach has returned, and the NFC East hasn't seen a decent dominating running game in years. Joe don't play that wait and see stuff with players. He'll make the talent rise or cut it.

Joe Gibbs is not God. Even the greatest coaches like Parcells speak of a three year plan. Great teams take longer than a season to build. Yes, every year there will be changes but for the most part a consistantly succesful team's core stays the same. There have been teams who have been able to continually make the playoffs even in this age of FA: Patriots, Eagles, Titans, Rams...

Every player on that team now has to learn a new system, it takes time to execute a new system well. Using a Bronco as an example, Plummer had a good year last year but now that he's been in the system for a year I would have really high expectations for him this year. I do think the Redskins will be good but give them a year or two and then I'll start getting really concerned.

[elof]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Talent + Gibbs = NFC Champs

Originally posted by EagleInLA
I do think the Redskins will be good but give them a year or two and then I'll start getting really concerned.

the funny thing is that this has been said about the redskins for the last 5-6 years. i think it would be funny as hell if gibbs fell on his face this time around. i would really be curious as to how washington fans would handle danny boy firing the mighty coach gibbs.

[EagleInLA]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Talent + Gibbs = NFC Champs

Originally posted by elof
the funny thing is that this has been said about the redskins for the last 5-6 years. i think it would be funny as hell if gibbs fell on his face this time around. i would really be curious as to how washington fans would handle danny boy firing the mighty coach gibbs.

Truer words have never been spoken.
I hope they fail.

[tennesseehusky]

Well I'm definately BIASED in my opinion but I'll go with the Falcons. Carolina did it last year and due to how the schedule goes, the Falcons have things in their favor. They have a favorable first half of the year with the bulk of division games in the second half, giving them time to gel. Mora brings in a new philosophy, which the players seem to really be getting behind. They certainly aren't the most talented team but have a healthy and rejuvinated Vick coming back plus they have added some nice pieces to the puzzle. Crumpler is ready for a break out season, Price will have his head back in the game with Vick's return and having Alex Gibbs as our line coach will help turn questionable players into decent or solid players. The defense, which isn't the greatest, will benifit mostly from switching back to a 4-3 and moving Brooking outside will be a very good move. Kerney will have a breakout year by being in the 4-3 so he isn't constintly catching double teams. Dropping Ray Buchanon and Tyrone " Toast" Williams you get addition by subtraction for their secondary. Rookies DeAngelo Hall and Michael Jenkins are key pick ups for the Falcons. With all that said, no game is out of reach for the Falcons with a healthy, smarter and happier Michael Vick in the line up. Without Vick last season becomes no fluke but with Vick 2002 becomes no fluke and they have a better coaching philosophy and a few better players then they had in 2002. I'm looking for a rematch with the Broncos in the Super Bowl, only this time I'm looking for a diferent ending. See you in January, I hope.

[elof]

Originally posted by tennesseehusky
Well I'm definately BIASED in my opinion but I'll go with the Falcons. Carolina did it last year and due to how the schedule goes, the Falcons have things in their favor. They have a favorable first half of the year with the bulk of division games in the second half, giving them time to gel. Mora brings in a new philosophy, which the players seem to really be getting behind. They certainly aren't the most talented team but have a healthy and rejuvinated Vick coming back plus they have added some nice pieces to the puzzle. Crumpler is ready for a break out season, Price will have his head back in the game with Vick's return and having Alex Gibbs as our line coach will help turn questionable players into decent or solid players. The defense, which isn't the greatest, will benifit mostly from switching back to a 4-3 and moving Brooking outside will be a very good move. Kerney will have a breakout year by being in the 4-3 so he isn't constintly catching double teams. Dropping Ray Buchanon and Tyrone " Toast" Williams you get addition by subtraction for their secondary. Rookies DeAngelo Hall and Michael Jenkins are key pick ups for the Falcons. With all that said, no game is out of reach for the Falcons with a healthy, smarter and happier Michael Vick in the line up. Without Vick last season becomes no fluke but with Vick 2002 becomes no fluke and they have a better coaching philosophy and a few better players then they had in 2002. I'm looking for a rematch with the Broncos in the Super Bowl, only this time I'm looking for a diferent ending. See you in January, I hope.

i like vick a lot but i don't think falcons are there yet. bringing in a new coach always means a down while everyone gets on the same page.

i think they should be a playoff team but i don't think they ar eready for a run at the superbowl.

[EagleInLA]

Originally posted by tennesseehusky
Carolina did it last year and due to how the schedule goes, the Falcons have things in their favor. They have a favorable first half of the year with the bulk of division games in the second half, giving them time to gel.

With a healthy Vick I see the Falcons doing really well and could be a contender, but again I think it's too soon. Carolina has had the same coach and system for the last few years.

Also, just a side note, if you calculate this years strenght of schedule based upon last years results the Cowboys have the easiest schedule and Eagles have the second easiest.

[elof]

Originally posted by EagleInLA
With a healthy Vick I see the Falcons doing really well and could be a contender, but again I think it's too soon. Carolina has had the same coach and system for the last few years.

Also, just a side note, if you calculate this years strenght of schedule based upon last years results the Cowboys have the easiest schedule and Eagles have the second easiest.

can you do that calculation for the vikings? i know they have a very tough schudule. i'm very curious to see how tough. i'm too lazy to do it.

[EagleInLA]

Originally posted by elof
can you do that calculation for the vikings? i know they have a very tough schudule. i'm very curious to see how tough. i'm too lazy to do it.

2004 Strength of Schedule Rankings Follow the Link.

[tennesseehusky]

Originally posted by elof
i like vick a lot but i don't think falcons are there yet. bringing in a new coach always means a down while everyone gets on the same page.

i think they should be a playoff team but i don't think they ar eready for a run at the superbowl.

You may be correct but as I said, I'm Biased and since the Falcons have NEVER had back to back winning seasons, it's all cleared for them to do very well. Now next season is a whole different animal.

[daredevil25]

Love the optimism for the Falcons, but guys we're going into this season a confident, but learning and young team. Our WRs are still mostly unproven, Gibbs albeit one of the best all time has a bad unit to try and make VERY good in a short training camp, the secondary is revamped at CB but its depending on a rookie to be the man and a guy coming off injury to be the RCB, last but not least our LBs are average as a unit, and our defensive line should improve, but mostly filled w/ 30 year olds and if Ellis Johnson retires there goes the depth we potentially have. Johnson and FA Rod Coleman have been the league's most QB sacking DTs the last two seasons (Coleman w/ 11 in 2002, Johnson w/ 8 in 2003) and gives us a consistent pass rush up the middle, if both play this season. Our rookies, especially Day 1 picks, each have a chance to start, but Demorrio Williams, Etric Pruitt and Quincy Wilson will be special teamers and backups far down the depth chart. Lavalais may be in heavy DT rotation, but other than that, I doubt we see much past Hall and Jenkins, maybe Schaub.

I just don't see us as a playoff team unless the Bucs are worse than I give them and the Saints have a complete letdown. The Panthers are OWNED by Michael Vick (they've never beaten him and he's outgained them by himself in those games) but if he's injured for more than 3-4 games that could be the window them or any team in the South needs to get ahead of the Falcons.

[Arab Bronco]

Since most the people here will say broncos to afc, and its cool bout that, but i wanted an actual sorta deep convo about this: Who do you think will honestly make the superbowl for nfc? i dont think eagles, cuz i mean, they have one of the toughest schedules, and well, kearse could prolly have injury problems, and i dont see how owens could honestly help them team wise, i mean, as a pure athlete sure, but the team stuff comes into consideration too, an at that hell hurt more than help i think.....but wut you all think?

i believe that owens will help alot more than he will hurt. i dont know why people think he's selfish, just because he wants the ball. if you have a player on your team with the caliber of terrell owens why wouldnt you pass to him all the time, he only wants to win. who else would McNabb pass to anyway, Todd Pinkson? give me a break. Well atleast McNabb could carry his offense to the NFC title match 3 years in a row without a decent reciever, now imagine what he's gonna do with a GO-TO type receiver as Owens.
Eagles make it to the Superbowl, after 4th attempt this year.

[JED Bronco]

Strength of Schedule

Originally posted by EagleInLA
2004 Strength of Schedule Rankings Follow the Link.

Over how many years is this thing? 125 wins vs 131 losses?

How much have you done lately would be more acurate don't yah think?


Denvers schedule is definitely tougher than 23rd.

[Africangod]

Re: Re: THe best in the nfc

Originally posted by Jared
Cowboys will be tough, but who's gonna play RB for them?

Julius Jones is going to play rb for the cowboys. They just signed eddie george so he is going to be getting some playing time and tutor julius jones as well.

[TXBRONC]

Re: Re: Re: THe best in the nfc

Originally posted by Africangod
Julius Jones is going to play rb for the cowboys. They just signed eddie george so he is going to be getting some playing time and tutor julius jones as well.

It's pretty clear you really don't know about Parcells. He likes backs that can grind it out George is the type of big back that Parcells has always coveted. Strange you live in MASS. but you don't know anything about what kind of players Bill likes. Oh I forgetting I'm talking to novice with delusions of granduer.