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    For some strange reason, I have a feeling that the Raiders will not be as bad next year as they have been in years past. If they draft McFadden in the first round, there offense will look something like this:
    QB: JaMarcus Russell
    RB: Darren McFadden
    WR: Javon Walker
    Ronald Curry
    OL: Robert Gallery, Cooper Carslile, Kwame Harris, Jake Grove, and someone else
    TE: Zach Miller

    And their defense, which was already pretty good, will look something like this:
    DL:Tyler Brayton, Tommy Kelly, Gerard Warren, and Derrick Burgess
    LB: Kirk Morrison, Thomas Howard, and someone else
    CB: Nnamdi Asomugha, Fabian Washington
    S: Michael Huff, Stewart Schweigart, Gibril Wilson

    So, you see, they still have some improvement to make through the draft and free agency. They still are overpaying players who don't deserve it. However, they seem to be moving in the right direction. If they don't get McFadden, I will take this all back and say that they will suck again and that they are still the same old Faiders.
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    even a hard dropped turd eventually floats to the top.....


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      Kwame Harris

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Bronkster View Post
        For some strange reason, I have a feeling that the Raiders will not be as bad next year as they have been in years past. If they draft McFadden in the first round, there offense will look something like this:
        QB: JaMarcus Russell
        RB: Darren McFadden
        WR: Javon Walker
        Ronald Curry
        OL: Robert Gallery, Cooper Carslile, Kwame Harris, Jake Grove, and someone else
        TE: Zach Miller

        And their defense, which was already pretty good, will look something like this:
        DL:Tyler Brayton, Tommy Kelly, Gerard Warren, and Derrick Burgess
        LB: Kirk Morrison, Thomas Howard, and someone else
        CB: Nnamdi Asomugha, Fabian Washington
        S: Michael Huff, Stewart Schweigart, Gibril Wilson

        So, you see, they still have some improvement to make through the draft and free agency. They still are overpaying players who don't deserve it. However, they seem to be moving in the right direction. If they don't get McFadden, I will take this all back and say that they will suck again and that they are still the same old Faiders.

        I see a lot of IF's!

        Walker - can he stay healthy?
        Russel - can he play in the NFL? (didn't look so wonderful from the little bit we've seen)
        Fargas - can he have another good year now that teams know who he is?
        OL - Can they be more consistent and stop shifting people to different spots?

        DEF - Looks decent on paper, but weren't as good as most thought they would be.

        And finally ---- Coaching! How can this team play when allegedly the Head Coach isn't talking to the Def. Cord. and also the HC is anticipating being fired by the psycho old man.


        They might be better. But lots of issues over there still. Which is good.

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        • #5
          I actually started laughing when I read the O-Line lineup. The Fade won't be horrible for forever, but as long as Al is there spending money on the likes of Tommy Kelly, they are not going to go anywhere.


          RIP D-Will and Nash

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          • #6
            Notice how many former Broncos they have: Javon, Carslile, Warren... it is the key to success.
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            • #7
              OL and DL look dubious (despite the $$$ invested), add in a QB who's basically a rookie and the potential is there for things to go very wrong... again.

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                [QUOTE=Bronkster;2128676]For some strange reason, I have a feeling that the Raiders will not be as bad next year as they have been in years past. If they draft McFadden in the first round, there offense will look something like this:
                QB: JaMarcus Russell
                RB: Darren McFadden
                WR: Javon Walker
                Ronald Curry
                OL: Robert Gallery, Cooper Carslile, Kwame Harris, Jake Grove, and someone else
                TE: Zach Miller


                DL:Tyler Brayton, Tommy Kelly, Gerard Warren, and Derrick Burgess
                LB: Kirk Morrison, Thomas Howard, and someone else
                CB: Nnamdi Asomugha, Fabian Washington
                S: Michael Huff, Stewart Schweigart, Gibril Wilson

                I would not say that as of now..russell what has he proved to be in the NFL:nothing==Mcfadden they wont draft him they have to many RB's now that can get the job done.==walker could have a great year but not with russell the QB..==curry he's a ave. WR nothing great there are ave. WR all around the NFL..==OL nothing great at all..==DEF line pretty solid..==CB there solid..==s nothing....so over all as a grade they should and would get a c for a team..no they wont end up on the bottom of the AFC west but wont end up on top either

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                • #9
                  It's interesting to see that Oakland sportswriters don't share this opinion about a Raider resurgence. Certainly, they may have addressed some of their immediate concerns about the loss of Jerry Porter by signing Javon Walker to a monster contract. But, questions about his knee remain. He's insistent that there's no problem. But, he's missed most of two of the last 3 seasons with recurring injuries to the same knee. That forced the Broncos to dump him and even take a $7 million cap hit to do it, rather than tie their future to Walker's damaged knee.

                  Then there is the status of Lane Kiffin to consider.

                  http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_8447207
                  Raiders have many glaring holes, could be even worse next season
                  Column by Carl Steward
                  Article Created: 03/04/2008 02:35:23 AM PST

                  Oakland Raiders tackle Cornell Green walks off the field at the conclusion of the Raiders 17-6...

                  IT'S GOING TO be intriguing to see where the Oakland Raiders offseason maneuvers go from here, because at the moment, it's hard to see how they are appreciably better than the 4-12 team that ended the 2007 season.

                  Some would argue the Raiders actually might be worse, considering there have been far more subtractions to the roster than additions. And that doesn't even include head coach Lane Kiffin, whose status remains a mystery.

                  Yes, the Raiders made a nice, much-needed free-agent signing of safety Gibril Wilson on Friday. Wilson could play either free or strong safety, and he's a major upgrade over either Stuart Schweigert or Michael Huff. Wilson might be Oakland's best signing since Derrick Burgess.

                  That said, everything else the Raiders have done so far has simply maintained the status quo — Nnamdi Asomugha, Tommy Kelly and Justin Fargas were re-signed at significantly higher prices — and they still have to fill several glaring holes at key positions.

                  It's a bit daunting to consider all the familiar faces who have left town. Longtime starting wideout Jerry Porter is gone. Starting left tackle Barry Sims is gone. Daunte Culpepper and Josh McCown, the two men who played most of the time at quarterback last year, are gone. Chris Clemons, who logged eight sacks in limited end duty last year, is gone. Tyler Brayton opted out of hisfrom Sports 1

                  contract and is gone (and probably won't be missed). Tailback LaMont Jordan will be gone, and
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                  it remains to be seen about Dominic Rhodes. Then there's Warren Sapp, who has gone into retirement.

                  Beyond those departures, there remains a disconcerting sense that Kiffin might be gone, too. But let's table the coaching situation for this exercise. Until Al Davis or Kiffin comes forward to clarify the position of the head coach, there's no reason to belabor speculation regarding that ongoing soap opera.

                  Purely from a talent standpoint, the Raiders have bigger dilemmas. The biggest one is at wide receiver, where they return a meager cast of Ronald Curry, Johnnie Lee Higgins (6 catches as a rookie) and a handful of guys who have no real NFL credentials. Oakland hasn't been this thin at receiver since ... what, 1961?

                  Obviously, Oakland has to do something at wideout, but its options appear limited. The receiver crop is skimpy in this year's draft. The two best, Cal's DeSean Jackson and Oklahoma's Malcolm Kelly, will likely be taken in the latter half of the first round, where the Raiders don't currently have a pick. The top free agents — Bernard Berrian, Donte Stallworth, even ancient Isaac Bruce — have been signed by other teams.

                  Beyond Javon Walker, who was released by Denver and is sifting through numerous suitors, the remaining crop of free agents is pretty uninspiring. So where are the new Raiders receivers going to come from?

                  The most logical option is a deal, and any team that traded for Randy Moss could be capable of anything. Chad Johnson? Don't rule it out, particularly with the Raiders holding the No. 4 pick. They definitely need an experienced deep threat to take advantage of rookie JaMarcus Russell's big arm and keep opposing defenses from loading up against the Oakland running game.

                  But speaking of Russell, who's going to protect him? The left tackle spot is going to be very critical, but it's vacant. Robert Gallery will remain at guard, meaning the Raiders have to find somebody who isn't currently on the roster to man the line's most important position. Again, the prospects in free agency aren't particularly enticing.

                  The prevailing logic is that the Raiders might not need a star at left tackle in offensive line coach Tom Cable's zone blocking schemes. Then again, whoever gets the job will be protecting The Franchise — Russell — and he'd better be better than average at it. With that in mind, the Raiders ultimately may need to bite hard and take Michigan's Jake Long with their No. 4 pick.

                  Of course, if they do that, what happens on the defensive line? Sure, the Raiders might be able to stand pat with a front four of Jay Richardson, Terdell Sands, Kelly and Burgess with Gerard Warren also in the rotation. But Sands was a huge disappointment last season, and Oakland has a chance to draft a premier defensive tackle at No. 4, either LSU's Glenn Dorsey or USC's Sedrick Ellis, both active run-stoppers who could really make the Raiders' defense a very formidable unit. Tough call.

                  Backup quarterback? Anybody's guess at this point, but the departure of McCown may necessitate the acquisition of a veteran to back up Russell. If not, it's Russell and Andrew Walter. Scary.

                  There has been considerable speculation that if Arkansas tailback Darren McFadden falls to the Raiders, they'll receive a number of trade offers to consider.

                  In short, questions still abound for a team that has so many shortcomings and needs. Kiffin could answer to them, maybe, if we knew he was going to be here. How about Al, you say? Please, you must be kidding.

                  Carl Steward can be reached at (510) 293-2451
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                  • #10
                    Tyler Brayton no longer plays for the Raiders .. he now resides in Carolina. Just thought I'd point that out.


                    and I don't see why the Raiders would take McFadden, they just resigned Rhodes and Fargas ... but then again Al Davis has done stranger things ... Signing Javon Walker for 55 MILLION!!!
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                    • #11
                      (Continued On the Endless Circus That is the Raiders)

                      Here's another article from the Oakland Tribune about Coach Lane Kiffin's tenuous tenure in the Bay Area:

                      Is 'Coach' Kiffin dancing toward Al's electric chair?
                      By Ann Killion, MEDIANEWS STAFF
                      Article Created: 02/26/2008 02:35:25 AM PST

                      The NFL scouting combine ends today, and the most intriguing question hasn't been who could cover 40 yards the fastest but whether the Raiders coach would go the distance.

                      Lane Kiffin was in Indianapolis, theoretically still the Raiders coach. Though he kept a low profile, he was spotted a few times, notably not wearing Raiders gear. One reporter saw him at a local nightspot dancing.

                      Was Kiffin dancing on his own grave? Speculation continues to rage that Kiffin's time with the Raiders might be measured in weeks. Al Davis always likes to test the NFL's limits: So can he field a team without a head coach?

                      This bizarre Raiders crisis has been festering for more than a month. The reports have been astonishing, even by the Raiders peculiar standards. Defensive coordinator Rob Ryan was fired, except that he wasn't. Kiffin was asked to resign, and he didn't. Kiffin has been stripped of his power, either all or part. James Lofton was hired, perhaps to be a backup head coach, another Davis innovation.
                      ( Blog: Kiffin shows up to combine sans Raiders logo )

                      It's just the way Davis prefers it. Mysterious. Strange. And probably causing untold damage to his team.

                      That's what Davis doesn't seem to get. Perception in the NFL is reality. And the perception is that the Raiders are a team in chaos. Again.

                      Used to be that the Raiders were renegades. Cool. That they had a different way of doing things that worked.

                      Now the perception is that the Raiders are a mess. Incompetent. That their different way of doing things doesn't work. Randy Moss is Exhibit A, but almost every ex-Raider from recent years can attest to the sad state of the organization.

                      And now this. Heck of a way to enter free agency.

                      The RTB (Raiders True Believers) insist that this all is an invention of the media. They flood blogs with assurances that everything is fantastic in the Nation, ignoring the reality: where there is silver-and-black smoke, there's usually a fire that burns entire seasons. The people the Raiders like to dub "false rumor-mongerers" are usually dead-on in their reporting.

                      Tracked down by Jerry McDonald, my MediaNews Group colleague, Kiffin declined comment on any specific questions about his status. That doesn't exactly squelch the intrigue. All indications are that the situation remains at an impasse.

                      Two truths are being proven again. The first is that Davis doesn't value head coaches. He doesn't care if he publicly neuters his coach. He cares, to a pathological extreme, about control, and this incident takes his usual undermining tactics to a new level.

                      The other truth is that Kiffin is too young for this job. At 31, he thought he could take an untenable situation — one that has defeated far more experienced men — and turn it in his favor. He was naive enough to believe that working for Davis would be a smooth ride.

                      But Kiffin isn't the biggest loser in all of this. He will either shut his mouth and be humiliated for the sake of a paycheck, or he will be be gone; either way, he will land another job soon enough.

                      Davis isn't the biggest loser either. He will go on running his team in his own strange way, ignoring all the alarms and flashing red lights.

                      The biggest loser is JaMarcus Russell, the $30 million kid quarterback, who is finding out what it means to be a Raider.
                      ( Read blog: Inside the Oakland Raiders )

                      Russell will either be working under a new coach, with a new offense, or he will be working under a lame-duck coach with no control or authority. He will expend energy trying to decipher the situation, and he likely will learn to distrust any coaching or advice. It will be a period of wasted time and false starts.

                      Give Davis credit, though. He's still an innovator. Sadly, his specialty is devising new ways to wreck his own organization.
                      Doesn't sound like there's much joy in Mudville, mighty Al has struck out, again!
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                      • #12
                        people always think the raiders will be better next year but i dont think so.
                        Their still the same raiders in my opinion and until Russell gets some experience and they improve some of their weakspots like run defense they will suck again.

                        Plus if Walker gets hurt again they will be screwed.

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                        • #13
                          So, who's up for taking on another young coach who fell out with Al Davis?

                          The personnel carousel in Oakland is ridiculous, it must be said. I'm just hoping that the mental asylum doesn't send the men in white coats for Davis any time soon because, well, it's nice to watch the Raiders stew in what has to be by now their own excrement. Metaphorically.

                          It'll be interesting to see what Russell can do. Kiffin made the right choice by bringing him on slowly...as far as I hear he may not be the sharpest pencil in the box but there's no doubting his physical ability. Hopefully facing Champ and Dre twice a year will hamper his abilities rather than nurture them.
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                          Pey-Pey to Bey-Bey for the Tey-Dey.

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                          • #14
                            More Musings On The Great Oakland Raiders!

                            Here's some more great news from Oakland:
                            Kiffin: 'I wasn't dancing'
                            Raiders coach denies he was out boogieing during combine, won't touch hot-button issues
                            By Steve Corkran, STAFF WRITER
                            Article Created: 02/29/2008 02:39:17 AM PST

                            ALAMEDA — Raiders coach Lane Kiffin broke his silence Wednesday to the Bay Area media after spending most of the past two months ducking, dodging and evading any and every attempt to tap his mind as to what's going on with his team.

                            The timing made perfect sense, given free agency started the next day and the Raiders figure to be an active player in the signing of other teams' castoffs.

                            Yet, Kiffin had something far more pressing to pass on to those who clamor for information about how he intends to go about rejuvenating a team that won only four games last season and 19 the past five.

                            "Just wanted to let you know I wasn't out dancing," Kiffin said in a phone call to San Jose Mercury News columnist Ann Killion in response to a mention by her in a recent article about Kiffin being spotted dancing at an Indianapolis nightclub during last week'sNFL scouting combine.

                            Huh? When asked if he cared to comment about the myriad reports in recent weeks about a rift between him and managing general partner Al Davis, his failed attempt at firing defensive coordinator Rob Ryan, or his tenuous future with the Raiders, Kiffin issued a one-word answer.

                            "Nope," he told Killion.

                            So much for Kiffin's promise at season's end to speak with the media upon request throughout the offseason. Also, fans are left to wonder about the team's plans, especially in terms of its approach to free agency.

                            At season's end, the Raiders were approximately $26 million
                            under the projected 2008 salary cap of $116 million.

                            They reduced that margin by re-signing running back Justin Fargas and placing the exclusive franchise tag on cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha. Those moves would cost the Raiders approximately $13 million if Asomugha signs, as expected.

                            On Thursday, the Raiders re-signed defensive tackle Tommy Kelly to a seven-year, $50.5 million contract that guarantees him $18,125,000 and makes him the league's highest-paid player at his position.

                            Kelly, 27, was playing well at defensive end before sustaining a season-ending knee injury against Tennessee on Oct. 28. He's expected to move back inside with Warren Sapp's retirement.

                            "I've trained that monster, and he's coming (along)," Sapp said of Kelly last season. "There's nothing I can do to stop him. It's going to be his spot, and I'm going to step the hell out of the way gracefully."

                            Work is ongoing toward re-signing defensive end Chris Clemons, a person in the front office said. Clemons tied for the team lead with eight sacks last season. However, the size of Kelly's contract might entice Clemons to seek his fortune elsewhere, with a team that has money to burn.

                            Beyond that, the Raiders have explored the possibility of freeing up more cap room by cutting running backs LaMont Jordan and Dominic Rhodes.

                            Jordan is due $4.7 million in base salary this season. Rhodes is on the books for $3 million in base salary, as well as a $2 million roster bonus. Cutting Jordan and Rhodes would free up $8.3 million in cap room.

                            The Raiders no longer have a pressing need for either back, with the emergence of Fargas last season as a lead back and the presence of second-year back Michael Bush.

                            The Raiders have a long history of making a big splash in the free-agency pool each season.


                            Potential targets this year include defensive end Jevon Kearse from the Philadelphia Eagles, wide receiver Bernard Berrian from the Chicago Bears and safety Gibril Wilson from the Super Bowl champion New York Giants.

                            Berrian would be a nice fit in an offense that lacked a big-play threat last season and could be without Jerry Porter, if he signs with another team. Nov.11 at McAfee Coliseum. he blew by corner Chris Carr for a 59-yard touchdown that turned a 6-3 deficit into a 10-6 Bears lead in the fourth quarter.

                            Wilson is the hard-hitting, big-play safety the Raiders have lacked since Rod Woodson retired after the 2003 season.

                            Kearse was cut Thursday by the Eagles and hasn't been the same since his Tennessee Titans days. However, Davis has a penchant for taking a gamble on such players.
                            Gabril Wilson is a big addition, but the Raiders still have a lot of trouble. The biggest trouble is that AL Davis still runs the team and Coach Kifflin is just a water boy. Every year they sign big name FAs and every year they fail.

                            Of course, having a top 5 draft pick every year is bound to make the team better at some point. You can't keep picking among the most talented college players in the country year after year without getting some good players.

                            But, this coaching regime is about to blow up once again, and Al actually prefers it that way. If he wouldn't let Jon Gruden coach the team his own way then NOBODY is going to have success with them.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Bronkster View Post
                              For some strange reason, I have a feeling that the Raiders will not be as bad next year as they have been in years past. If they draft McFadden in the first round, there offense will look something like this:
                              QB: JaMarcus Russell
                              RB: Darren McFadden
                              WR: Javon Walker
                              Ronald Curry
                              OL: Robert Gallery, Cooper Carslile, Kwame Harris, Jake Grove, and someone else
                              TE: Zach Miller

                              And their defense, which was already pretty good, will look something like this:
                              DL:Tyler Brayton, Tommy Kelly, Gerard Warren, and Derrick Burgess
                              LB: Kirk Morrison, Thomas Howard, and someone else
                              CB: Nnamdi Asomugha, Fabian Washington
                              S: Michael Huff, Stewart Schweigart, Gibril Wilson

                              So, you see, they still have some improvement to make through the draft and free agency. They still are overpaying players who don't deserve it. However, they seem to be moving in the right direction. If they don't get McFadden, I will take this all back and say that they will suck again and that they are still the same old Faiders.

                              A scary thing but, I don't be lieve it is true! It sounds like Kiffen is on his way out, if that happens the team is yet agian going have to deal with the responsibilty of gaining a new coaches trust, not an easy thing to do! As far as Javon the traitor is concerned, 55 million for a broke down receiver. its time for al davis to be put in a home. he has lost him mind when it comes to getting free agents. i wouldnt have paid walker a ham sandwich for his services. its gonna be even funnier when jamarcus russell is trying to throw to him with no line to protect russell. walker will be whining about not getting enough catches and all the crying will begin. lynch will put one shot on walker and walker will fold like a cheap lawn chair. lol. bring on the raiders!!!.

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