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    Apparently, the internal rift between Pro Bowl defensive tackle Shaun Rogers and new Cleveland Browns coach Eric Mangini remains unresolved.


    Rogers-Mangini rift still unresolved

    Apparently, the internal rift between Pro Bowl defensive tackle Shaun Rogers and new Cleveland Browns coach Eric Mangini remains unresolved.

    According to a source, Rogers has been a no-show this week for the team's offseason workout program, which began Monday.

    While the workouts are considered voluntary, Mangini has made it clear that he wants his players in attendance because it was his first chance to address the team in a group setting.

    Mangini and Rogers have clashed for nearly two months when the coach initially refused to communicate with his star player, despite being in the same place on two separate occasions. Rogers didn't take the snubs lightly, as things escalated to the point where he asked to be released from his six-year, $42 million contract.

    Rogers is guaranteed a $5 million bonus this month, making the player's release unlikely, and should earn an additional $950,000 in likely-to-be-reached incentives when he's on the field. Mangini has since attempted to reach out to Rogers, but his absence this week makes it clear that there is still much work to be done to patch up the relationship.

    The eight-year veteran had one of his best seasons in 2008, registering 76 tackles and 4.5 sacks. The Browns finished 4-12 last season.

    James Walker is the AFC North blogger for ESPN.com.

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    Tony Scheff straight up for Rogers?

    Also, the only way we deal Cutler... Is if CLE or KC gets involved. I really think Bowlen wants to see if there can be a truce... move one with things. BUT, if that isn't possible... The Jets, maybe the Redskins are chomping for Jay.

    Both of those owners are not shy when it comes to spending... risks... all that jazz. ESPECIALLY Woody in NY, where they need to sell tickets... fill seats... compete in the papers against the Giants. What a way to complete this off-season's transformation than to bring in Cutler.

    AND, even if WASH isn;t all-in for Cutler... just the rumor alone will help drive up the price. Obviously, a third team would have to be involved.

    I can sense something here... If anything works out...

    DEN gets Quinn, Rogers, Jet's #1, Jets #3
    CLE gets Scheff, Jet's #1 next year and a player from NYJ
    Jets get Cutler

    Sounds crazy until you recall that Mangini just left the Jets... I am sure there are a few players he wouldn;t mind taking with him (maybe a David Harris).

    I guess this would be the only way I would consider dealing Cutler... Getting a young QB, a NT, and two picks.

    If we traded for Cassell staright up... I would puke.

    BUT... if NY is involved, this is good. Rogers fighting in CLE is good, and the fact that Mangini is not in love with Quinn is good.

    Like McD... Mangini wants to go with his guy. He probably doesn't want to feel the pressure to make Quinn (the local hero) his QB.

    I think the first (and best) move is to keep Cutler. BUT, if things are broken beyond repair: give me Quinn, Rogers, a first and another 2-3 round pick.

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    Tony Scheff straight up for Rogers?
    I wish.

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      Here we go again.

      Do you seriously think that Derek Anderson is a legitimate starting NFL Quarterback? Really? Seriously? If you had watched the Browns play and the fans reactions you would know that Derek Anderson has been disliked by the fans for quite some time now. He is inconsistant and throws too many interceptions and has extremely poor field vision. He can't help but throw interception after interception because he stares down his recievers and thinks that his arm will get it to anybody whether they have 2 defenders or a crowd of defenders on them.

      He is NO good. Quinn is the QB - not Anderson.
      The Browns are gone; I'm not a fan of the Impostors

      The real Browns are in Baltimore, see?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Charlie Brown


        Here we go again.

        Do you seriously think that Derek Anderson is a legitimate starting NFL Quarterback? Really? Seriously? If you had watched the Browns play and the fans reactions you would know that Derek Anderson has been disliked by the fans for quite some time now. He is inconsistant and throws too many interceptions and has extremely poor field vision. He can't help but throw interception after interception because he stares down his recievers and thinks that his arm will get it to anybody whether they have 2 defenders or a crowd of defenders on them.

        He is NO good. Quinn is the QB - not Anderson.
        THEY say Mangini is thirlled about Quinn. He inherited him, he's not invested in him... He might just deal him now to avoid the controversy and simply draft a QB this year. Who knows. We'll find out soon enough though.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by fraguela09
          THEY say Mangini is thirlled about Quinn. He inherited him, he's not invested in him... He might just deal him now to avoid the controversy and simply draft a QB this year. Who knows. We'll find out soon enough though.
          They who?

          The national media?

          The national media also said that Bill Cowher was going to return to coaching this year. Did he? The national media speculates. Lending any credence to speculation is a poor move on anybody's part. Untill it is official speculating on what might happen or taking other people's speculation as fact is an idiotic move. Since Broncosfreak (a Broncos forum on the internet, not unlike this forum) broke the idea of a trade for Quinn, the national media has jumped on it. Hard to believe, but that is where it came from. If you trace this entire rumor of trading Quinn to Denver that is where it originated. A bunch of people on a Broncos forum getting together and saying that Quinn was going to be traded to Denver. That is where it started.

          Not Borea, not Denver, not a legitimate "leak" from any of the teams, a message board that some sportswriter went to and read and decided to print as speculation. Since then the idea was picked up on by other Bronco fans and warped into this present one that you, yourself, have presented.

          From Broncosfreaks - to this.
          The Browns are gone; I'm not a fan of the Impostors

          The real Browns are in Baltimore, see?

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          • #6
            You go Mangini, tick off another football team. Worthless hack.

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            • #7
              Cool that the Broncos aren't the only team going through something like this. :clap:
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              TZ

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Charlie Brown


                Here we go again.

                Do you seriously think that Derek Anderson is a legitimate starting NFL Quarterback? Really? Seriously? If you had watched the Browns play and the fans reactions you would know that Derek Anderson has been disliked by the fans for quite some time now. He is inconsistant and throws too many interceptions and has extremely poor field vision. He can't help but throw interception after interception because he stares down his recievers and thinks that his arm will get it to anybody whether they have 2 defenders or a crowd of defenders on them.

                He is NO good. Quinn is the QB - not Anderson.
                haha, looks like Josh McDaniels, isn't the only one with bad blood with his players.

                Mangina doing what he does best. 0-16 is a really possible for the Cleveland Turds this year. Be great to see.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Overtime
                  haha, looks like Josh McDaniels, isn't the only one with bad blood with his players.

                  Mangina doing what he does best. 0-16 is a really possible for the Cleveland Turds this year. Be great to see.
                  Smack, Smack, Smack, Smack

                  Is there anything you talk other than Smack?
                  The Browns are gone; I'm not a fan of the Impostors

                  The real Browns are in Baltimore, see?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Charlie Brown
                    Smack, Smack, Smack, Smack

                    Is there anything you talk other than Smack?
                    truth hurts doesn't it CB?

                    and is there anything else that you talk about other than how everyone's no good???

                    First Cowher was no good, now Derek Anderson is no good, and this person's no good, and then you think that idiot Eric "The Rat" Mangina is somehow God in Cleveland.

                    sorry CB, but your thought process is no good. the Browns suck, and they will continue to suck. I can't wait for 3 years to pass and Mangina gets fired after going like 9-39 in his 3 seasons.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Overtime
                      truth hurts doesn't it CB?

                      and is there anything else that you talk about other than how everyone's no good???

                      First Cowher was no good, now Derek Anderson is no good, and this person's no good, and then you think that idiot Eric "The Rat" Mangina is somehow God in Cleveland.

                      sorry CB, but your thought process is no good. the Browns suck, and they will continue to suck. I can't wait for 3 years to pass and Mangina gets fired after going like 9-39 in his 3 seasons.
                      Now Derek Anderson sucks? Sorry OT, but you sure didn't pay attention to any posts I've ever made on this board have you? I never liked Anderson. Not when he threw 29 touchdowns, never. Before Quinn arrived I liked Frye OVER Anderson and still would take Frye any day of the week over Anderson. Anderson is a scrub. An extremely overrated scrub. Mangini is a good coach and he did well in New York. He had one losing season, oh my how horrible. I never wanted Cowher, he's a Steeler through and through.
                      The Browns are gone; I'm not a fan of the Impostors

                      The real Browns are in Baltimore, see?

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                      • #12
                        I can tell you that CB has always hated Anderson, never liked him at all.
                        Club Leader: Robert Griffin III > Andrew Luck

                        ^^^Get used to it.^^^

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