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  • #16
    Originally posted by Charlie Brown View Post
    The helmet can be used a weapon and can cause serious injury. So, that rule is good. Players using their helmet as a battering ram into any part of a players body are not making a tackle. They are trying to hurt that player. I'm glad they made that rule.

    Roughing the passer is a rule because as this writer said players go after the ball. The QB no longer has the ball, so why hit him? If a player is after the ball he will not be after the QB anymore when the QB does not have the ball. This writer is biased and believes that there should be no rules in the NFL and Sun, there is still the AFL if you are so interested in that for you to turn to.
    Helmet-to-helmet hits are great. I played football for 7 years, and those are the hits you try for. Yeah, it sounds terrible and unsportsmanlike I know -- but there's a reason helmets are worn, because heads are going to bang.

    I don't know how many I delivered, but you want to knock every sucker with the ball out of the game. You want to him them as hard as possible and have them seeing stars. Hell, we'd jack up our own teammates in practice if given the chance.

    It's the nature of the game, helmets are going to hit. It's why they're worn.

    I've seen plenty of instances where RB's have ran over defensive players while leading with their helmet. If THEY do it, even when the impact is virtually the same as if the defensive player hit the WR / RB, it's clean. Are they going to expect RB's to... well, not try and run through people anymore?


    Originally posted by Charlie Brown View Post
    If that player is in the air when the QB throws the ball there is nothing he can do. But, if he is still just running towards the QB and sees the QB throw the ball, that player can stop. Reverse direction and head the right way. Or if his momentum is too much he can simply fall down on his arse where he is.
    It isn't that easy. Playing FS at 6'0", 200 lbs, I've blitzed enough times, and when you're going full-tilt, it's hard to stop your momentum without a good 5-7 yards, realistically. If you tried to stop on a dime like you're suggesting, you're risking yourself injury.

    You can't even slow down and brace yourself or lead with your hands to break your collision with the QB, because that's a penalty, and most times they go flipping backwards trying to draw a flag.

    There are plenty of cases where you hit a player without the ball in football, man. We used to (and I've seen it plenty of times in the NFL), light up any RB's who would fake a hand-off and pretend to have the ball (not an uncommon occurrence), constantly lay out blockers and would-be tacklers who again, don't have the ball. Coming on a blitz, you're fair game to get tagged by a running back or offensive lineman.

    Is it different because that is their job?

    Yes, within reason, don't hit the QB... but realistically, they call roughing the passer way too much.

    This league is turning into flag football.

    I especially don't like the new blocking rule, where (and I'm not sure on all the details), but the initial force of a block (PR, KR, etc) can not be delivered with a helmet or shoulder. Now, I don't know about you, but when you're running, the first thing that's going to make contact with the person you hit is your helmet or your shoulder. They can't expect everybody to try to square up and jam people going full tilt.

    It's getting out of hand.

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    • #17
      Very well stated, thank you for posting/expounding.

      Originally posted by McKeough View Post
      Helmet-to-helmet hits are great. I played football for 7 years, and those are the hits you try for. Yeah, it sounds terrible and unsportsmanlike I know -- but there's a reason helmets are worn, because heads are going to bang.

      I don't know how many I delivered, but you want to knock every sucker with the ball out of the game. You want to him them as hard as possible and have them seeing stars. Hell, we'd jack up our own teammates in practice if given the chance.

      It's the nature of the game, helmets are going to hit. It's why they're worn.

      I've seen plenty of instances where RB's have ran over defensive players while leading with their helmet. If THEY do it, even when the impact is virtually the same as if the defensive player hit the WR / RB, it's clean. Are they going to expect RB's to... well, not try and run through people anymore?




      It isn't that easy. Playing FS at 6'0", 200 lbs, I've blitzed enough times, and when you're going full-tilt, it's hard to stop your momentum without a good 5-7 yards, realistically. If you tried to stop on a dime like you're suggesting, you're risking yourself injury.

      You can't even slow down and brace yourself or lead with your hands to break your collision with the QB, because that's a penalty, and most times they go flipping backwards trying to draw a flag.

      There are plenty of cases where you hit a player without the ball in football, man. We used to (and I've seen it plenty of times in the NFL), light up any RB's who would fake a hand-off and pretend to have the ball (not an uncommon occurrence), constantly lay out blockers and would-be tacklers who again, don't have the ball. Coming on a blitz, you're fair game to get tagged by a running back or offensive lineman.

      Is it different because that is their job?

      Yes, within reason, don't hit the QB... but realistically, they call roughing the passer way too much.

      This league is turning into flag football.

      I especially don't like the new blocking rule, where (and I'm not sure on all the details), but the initial force of a block (PR, KR, etc) can not be delivered with a helmet or shoulder. Now, I don't know about you, but when you're running, the first thing that's going to make contact with the person you hit is your helmet or your shoulder. They can't expect everybody to try to square up and jam people going full tilt.

      It's getting out of hand.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Charlie Brown View Post
        The helmet can be used a weapon and can cause serious injury. So, that rule is good. Players using their helmet as a battering ram into any part of a players body are not making a tackle. They are trying to hurt that player. I'm glad they made that rule.

        Roughing the passer is a rule because as this writer said players go after the ball. The QB no longer has the ball, so why hit him? If a player is after the ball he will not be after the QB anymore when the QB does not have the ball. This writer is biased and believes that there should be no rules in the NFL and Sun, there is still the AFL if you are so interested in that for you to turn to.
        Got to disagree with you. Helmet to helmet I can understand, but being against helmet to chest, for example, is ridiculous. The NFL is getting soft and even the players (current and retired) don't like it. The fans don't like it. The roughing the passer rule is necessary, but it was used in excess last season. Take the second game between Broncos and Raiders as an example. They flagged LB Thomas Howard for hitting Cutler several times, and I believe that only once he actually roughed the passer. Players are not Neo, they can't stop time, they don't have F1 brakes. Some roughing the passer calls are just ridiculous, they make me sick.
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        • #19
          It's all about the money now. These rules are being forced on football by the owners who want to protect their investments.

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