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**Alastor** · 06-19-2009, 10:01 AM

Randy Gradishar?

Tombstone Jackson?

Shannon Sharpe?

NFL Videos sucks. I used to like Steve Sabol. Maybe he's changed as he's gotten older. Maybe I drink less now.

Maybe both.

**ebsoria** · 06-19-2009, 10:09 AM

Originally posted by Alastor View Post

Randy Gradishar?

Tombstone Jackson?

Shannon Sharpe?

NFL Videos sucks. I used to like Steve Sabol. Maybe he's changed as he's gotten older. Maybe I drink less now.

Maybe both.

I can see leavin Tombstone or Gradishar off that list. While i feel they both deserve to be in... I can arguments both ways. But Shannon?!?! Hands down, NOT debate. He's top 10 to NOT be in the hall. I'm still pissed her was passed up as a first ballot.

**Alastor** · 06-19-2009, 10:10 AM

Originally posted by ebsoria View Post

I can see leavin Tombstone or Gradishar off that list. While i feel they both deserve to be in... I can arguments both ways. But Shannon?!?! Hands down, NOT debate. He's top 10 to NOT be in the hall. I'm still pissed her was passed up as a first ballot.

Okay, in the interest of fairness, was this film made before Shannon got shafted?

**ebsoria** · 06-19-2009, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by Alastor View Post

Okay, in the interest of fairness, was this film made before Shannon got shafted?

I didn't click the links. I just saw the list of names and made an assumption... remind me how to spell ass-u-me?

**Alastor** · 06-19-2009, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by ebsoria View Post

I didn't click the links. I just saw the list of names and made an assumption... remind me how to spell ass-u-me?

I didn't click the links either. That's why I'm asking you.

Edit: July 31, 2008 at 01:23 p.m.

So okay. It's older than Shannon getting shafted. He gets a pass on this one. I still would have liked to have seen Gradishar and Rich Jackson at least mentioned. Then again we've already both jumped off the deep end once. Maybe he does mention one of them or even both of them and I just didn't see the clip.

**ebsoria** · 06-19-2009, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by Alastor View Post

I didn't click the links either. That's why I'm asking you.

Edit: July 31, 2008 at 01:23 p.m.

So okay. It's older than Shannon getting shafted. He gets a pass on this one. I still would have liked to have seen Gradishar and Rich Jackson at least mentioned. Then again we've already both jumped off the deep end once. Maybe he does mention one of them or even both of them and I just didn't see the clip.

I just watched Kramer and Thomas. In the Thomas one they reference the fact that in a 5 year span(I assume from the '07 back to '02) there were 23 players inducted and only 5 were defensive. Maybe it's the "flashy" offensive bias that's keeping Grad and Tombstone out? Or even some other defensive legends like Thomas?

In Kramer's, they mentioned that there are 11(!!!) Packer's from the Lombardi(including Vince) era in the hall... but that Kramer was THE guard named for the 50th anniversary team.

The HOF voters...? I just don't know how they do it sometimes.

**ebsoria** · 06-19-2009, 10:34 AM

RIcky Watters?

I dunno... when I think of the greatest all-time, I just don't think of him. He put up HUGE numbers and was a great back... but I don't see anytime soon. Maybe when's he an old man and he get's put in the by Veterans Comittee... but not anytime soon.

**Sunbiz1** · 06-19-2009, 10:50 AM

Actually, I just enjoy watching the footage during the summer when we have nothing but dull baseball on television. But yes, one must watch the videos prior to picking apart the lists. I couldn't believe it when they put Marino as a top 10 mobile QB, then I watched the segment and understood the rationale.

Originally posted by ebsoria View Post

I didn't click the links. I just saw the list of names and made an assumption... remind me how to spell ass-u-me?

**ebsoria** · 06-19-2009, 10:52 AM

Originally posted by Sunbiz1 View Post

Actually, I just enjoy watching the footage during the summer when we have nothing but dull baseball on television. But yes, one must watch the videos prior to picking apart the lists. I couldn't believe it when they put Marino as a top 10 mobile QB, then I watched the segment and understood the rationale.

Yeah, I've watched some of them now... but Ricky Watters? Still not sold. Kramer? Yes. Carter and Thomas? Yes and yes.

**ebsoria** · 06-19-2009, 11:08 AM

Ken Anderson.

The guy at the end says- "If you're a qb looking to get into the hall and you've not won a championship, then your argument is very weak." I disagree. Winning one will add water, but not winning one should have no effect on whether or not you get into the hall. Marino. He's in. Elway was considered a HOFer before he won his two rings. Manning(Peyton) before he got his ring. Even winning one doesn't mean a whole lot. Doug Williams anyone? He's got one... but he doesn't belong in the hall. It's a team game and winning a SB takes a team effort. The HOF is for individuals who stand out among their peers for being the best of the best.

**Sunbiz1** · 06-23-2009, 07:37 AM

HOW THE FUND STARTED

* Jerry Kramer’s Super Bowl I ring, which was stolen 25 years ago, helped start the fund. The idea was developed when Jerry Kramer’s Super Bowl I ring was found on an online auction. The auction company, Mastros Auctions, returned the ring. Kramer then asked them to auction off his Super Bowl I replica ring to benefit retired players in need. The endeavor was a success, and raised $22,000, which was then used as the first capital to establish the Gridiron Greats fund. Jerry Kramer founded the organization

http://www.gridirongreats.org/aboutthefund.html

He should be in the HOF for starting this organization.

Originally posted by ebsoria View Post

I just watched Kramer and Thomas. In the Thomas one they reference the fact that in a 5 year span(I assume from the '07 back to '02) there were 23 players inducted and only 5 were defensive. Maybe it's the "flashy" offensive bias that's keeping Grad and Tombstone out? Or even some other defensive legends like Thomas?

In Kramer's, they mentioned that there are 11(!!!) Packer's from the Lombardi(including Vince) era in the hall... but that Kramer was THE guard named for the 50th anniversary team.

The HOF voters...? I just don't know how they do it sometimes.

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