Thanks ESPN, makes me feel better

[Cap'N Chronic]

The only sack you had was off of a blitz by Briggs who got the sack and there was definitely more than just occasional blitzes. There's no doubt which O-line was getting dominated that game.

Anderson sacked Orton, not Briggs. Briggs got the sack on the stat sheet for some reason but you can go back and watch the game and see Anderson got the sack. There were plenty of times the Bears got pressure with the front 4 alone. Not to mention completely stuffing the run game along with the passing game.

[PurdueBronc]

They have just about the same players as last year. They have players that don't fit. The Cardinals in the week 3 preseason game (outside of stupid TOs that shouldn't happen in reg season) that decent offenses will move the ball on them up and down the field. Wells and Hightower torched them and they had over 200 yards in the first half. Their LBs are ridiculously week and Raji will likely not even play. Forte, Olsen, and Clark will tear them apart. Kampman is going to be crying to go back to a 4-3 so he doesn't have to cover.

The Cardinals had 108 rushing yards that game: Wells 7/46 yd., Hightower 6/38 yd., and the rest was done by a couple of other guys. Granted, Leinart torched the D, 24/38 360 yd (not sure how much of that was against 1st string D though). I'll leave it at this, if the Green Bay defense plays poorly, I will eat my crow.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=290828022

[Cap'N Chronic]

The Cardinals had 108 rushing yards that game: Wells 7/46 yd., Hightower 6/38 yd., and the rest was done by a couple of other guys. Granted, Leinart torched the D, 24/38 360 yd (not sure how much of that was against 1st string D though). I'll leave it at this, if the Green Bay defense plays poorly, I will eat my crow.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=290828022

I was referring to the total yards, not just rushing and I was also talking about the first half. The Cards had over 200 total yards and none of the starters played beyond the 1st half from what I know. Leinert threw for 360 in one half.

[PurdueBronc]

I was referring to the total yards, not just rushing and I was also talking about the first half. The Cards had over 200 total yards and none of the starters played beyond the 1st half from what I know. Leinert threw for 360 in one half.

Then I misunderstood when you said Wells and Hightower torched them. I thought the 200 yards was in reference to them. Leinart did play well. Sunday night will reveal whether or not they have changed.

[Broncoyearound]

For his rookie season, he was a rookie. Also, look at how your defense performed down the stretch compared to how cutler performed he performed well.

The only reason the Broncos were 8-8 and sniffed a playoff spot was because of the passing game being lead by Cutler. You name me ONE other thing that you could call a strength on the 2008 Broncos besides their passing game and then I will give you an ounce of legitimacy. Not the run game, if you are about to say that. You don't use your "strength" the 28th most times in the NFL if it was really a strength and you dont run through 8 RBs because it is a strength either.

In fact, the Broncos were pretty much.... HORRIBLE at everything else

The Broncos were horrible I will give you that but wasn't Jay Cutler a part of those same broncos? There were games the defense played ok on some games and Cutler stunk it up. Don't blame the players for that though. It was bad coaching from the head coach to the defensive coordinator. Yes Cutler had a good year throwing the ball but what else was he suppose to have when we had 8 rbs go on injured reserve. I'll tell you when we used hillis as our running back he was the game changer. It wasn't Cutler. Why you think after Hillis went out we lost our last three? When you throw the ball as many times as we did last year teams were going to take that away. We couldn't run the ball at all so I guess our only strenth was the passing game. I'm going back to Hillis though cause when we had him running the ball we won the games. Only one we didn't win was the Oakland game and our defense played well but Cutler didn't. Other than that you got us but we still weren't garbage man come on. If anyone was garbage last year it was the lions. LOL

[Crazy8]

You are right. He isn't going to win anything....


With such a bad team as the 2008 Broncos. You are not supposed to win with teams like that. Teams as bad as they were at defense and special teams along with the unbalanced offense with all those injured RBs are not supposed to sniff a playoff spot. Go ahead and look. Where did the teams with similar defensive and ST numbers end up in the win column?

The great Drew Brees didn't even have it as bad in those phases the last 2 seasons and the saints have the same record as the Broncos in that time span. When the Saints went to the NFc championship game in 06, look at how good their defense, ST, and run game was. It's basic logic.

Yet we were better rushing the ball than the Bears who apparently "sniffed a playoff spot" last year, and the Bear D was worse against the pass than the Broncos D.

And don't give me your tired excuses. You are what you are. I was at that game against the Bears, and we didn't show anything that game. The cover 2's strength is to not give up the intermediate routes over the middle, and that seemed to be all we ran. That, and the WR screen. The corners were giving inside leverage all game without inside help from that linebacker. That's the scheme. That's your awful scheme...on defense. I haven't even brought up Ron Turner yet. Why does he even have a job in the league? Have fun with that.

[Cap'N Chronic]

Yet we were better rushing the ball than the Bears who apparently "sniffed a playoff spot" last year, and the Bear D was worse against the pass than the Broncos D.

Drives faced.

Bears: 201 (most)
Broncos: 162 (3rd least)

Yards per pass.
Bears: 8th
Broncos: 28th

Comp%
Bears: 19th
Broncos: 29th

Here is some more

Yards per rush
Bears: 3rd (.1 from being 1st)
Broncos: 30th

Takeaways
Bears: 2nd
Broncos: 32nd

Yards per drive
Bears: 5th
Broncos: 31st

Points per drive
Bears: 9th (despite 25th in defensive field position)
Broncos: 31st

3rd down %
Bears: 5th
Broncos: 25th

I could go on and also include special teams, but it would be pretty sad. The Broncos D was not better than the Bears D at ANYTHING and it wasn't even close.

Also, like I said about your "awesome" run game. You don't use your strength the 28th most times in the NFL. The run game was a product of opposing defenses being spread out in sue to the PASSING GAME I was talking about. You can even tell during preseason that running will not be the same when opposing Ds know they won't see 40+ attempts on a consistent basis and that they won't get killed through the air.

And don't give me your tired excuses. You are what you are. I was at that game against the Bears, and we didn't show anything that game. The cover 2's strength is to not give up the intermediate routes over the middle, and that seemed to be all we ran. That, and the WR screen. The corners were giving inside leverage all game without inside help from that linebacker. That's the scheme. That's your awful scheme...on defense. I haven't even brought up Ron Turner yet. Why does he even have a job in the league? Have fun with that.

Funny you brought that up acting like you know what you are talking about.

1. That defense you saw was NOT the same defense as last season. In fact, last season and the past 2 seasons with Bob Babich, the Bears have not been using a cover 2 very much. They were suing the MUG formation which is horrible as an every down defense but Babich wouldn't let it go. Lovie decided to run the D and hire Marinelli. They now run that formation occasionally.

Also, I have no idea what you are talking about with no help from the LBs. They were all over the field. That garbage defense gave up a total of 6 points by the starters all preseason.