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  • #16
    Originally posted by WhoDeyBengals View Post
    You don't think Ken Anderson deserves to be called a franchise QB? Jim McMahon? Matt Hasselbeck?

    Come on, man!

    Jim McMahon was has a ring. Hasselbeck and Anderson both led teams to conference championships. All three had several years of tenure with their teams. And as far as stats go, it's hard to argue with Anderson, at least.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.co...A/AndeKe00.htm

    Four Pro Bowls, one first-team All Pro.


    Dude.

    Seriously.
    Cool. I'll give you Anderson. Honestly, I never really thought about him, and just kinda skimmed the last post.

    If you call McMahon "franchise" then you have to call Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer the same. 1 average year on the team with the best D arguably in history.

    Matt Hasselback I left out because...I dunno why. I like the guy. I think he is a good QB. He just doesn't scream franchise to me.

    I'm really sorry for leaving out Anderson.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by CoryWinget81 View Post
      (Disclaimer: This post has nothing to do with Jay Cutler, it is about franchise QB's and is not intended to be a debate about him)



      I had a post in an earlier thread:



      So I decided to take a look around and see how close I am.

      In Alphabetical order:

      49ers: Montana (1981-93) Young (93-99)

      Bears: Luckman (39-50)

      Bengals: Anderson (1971-86) Esiason (1984-92)

      Bills: Kelly (1986-96)

      Broncos: Elway (1983-98)

      Browns: Graham (1946-55) Kosar (1985-96)

      Bucaneers: None

      Cardinals: Jake Plummer? (1997-2002) I put the question mark because he's the closest they've ever had. He did end their playoff drought..suggestions?

      Chargers: Dan Fouts (1973-1987) Rivers (2004-Present)

      Chiefs: Dawson (1963-75) Green? (2001-2006)

      Colts: Unitas (1956-72) Manning (1998-Present)

      Cowboys: Meridith (1960-68) Staubach (1969-79) Aikman (1989-00)

      Dolphins: Marino (1983-99)

      Eagles: Jurgensen (1957-63) Cunningham (1985-95) McNabb (1999-Present)

      Falcons: ???

      Giants: Tittle (1961-64) Tarkenton (1967-71) Simms (1979-93)

      Jaguars: ???

      Jets: Namath (1965-76) O'Brien (1983-92)

      Lions: Layne (1950-58)

      Packers: Starr (1956-71) Favre (1992-2007)

      Panthers: ???

      Patriots: Bledsoe (1993-2001) Brady (2000-Present)

      Raiders: Daryle Lamonica (1967-74) Stabler (1968-79)
      Blanda is mentionable here as well, as is Plunkett

      Rams: Van Brocklin (1949-57) Warner? (1998-2003)

      Ravens: Unitas (Colts)

      Redskins: Baugh (1937-52) Jurgenson (1964-74) Theisman (1974-85)

      Saints: Archie Manning (1971-82) Brees (2006-Present)

      Seahawks: Zorn (1976-84)

      Steelers: Layne (1958-62) Bradshaw (1970-83)
      Roethlisberger (2004-present)

      Texans: ???

      Titans: Warren Moon (1984-93) McNair (1995-05)

      Vikings: Tarkenton (1961-66, 1972-78)



      If I've missed anyone let me know.

      As you can see, many teams haven't even had one, let alone multiple franchise QB's.

      Also, I didn't include Eli. Yeah, he won a SB, but I think we can all agree that isn't the exact criteria for being called "franchise".


      Cardinals maybe Neil Lomax or Jim Hart?

      Didnt Van Brocklin also play for the Eagles or something?
      Bills Jack Kemp. I think he led to a championship.

      John Hadl for the Chargers.

      Steve Grogan Patriots

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      • #18
        Originally posted by CoryWinget81 View Post
        (Disclaimer: This post has nothing to do with Jay Cutler, it is about franchise QB's and is not intended to be a debate about him)



        I had a post in an earlier thread:



        So I decided to take a look around and see how close I am.

        In Alphabetical order:

        49ers: Montana (1981-93) Young (93-99)

        Bears: Luckman (39-50)

        Bengals: Anderson (1971-86) Esiason (1984-92)

        Bills: Kelly (1986-96)

        Broncos: Elway (1983-98)

        Browns: Graham (1946-55) Kosar (1985-96)

        Bucaneers: None

        Cardinals: Jake Plummer? (1997-2002) I put the question mark because he's the closest they've ever had. He did end their playoff drought..suggestions?

        Chargers: Dan Fouts (1973-1987) Rivers (2004-Present)

        Chiefs: Dawson (1963-75) Green? (2001-2006)

        Colts: Unitas (1956-72) Manning (1998-Present)

        Cowboys: Meridith (1960-68) Staubach (1969-79) Aikman (1989-00)

        Dolphins: Marino (1983-99)

        Eagles: Jurgensen (1957-63) Cunningham (1985-95) McNabb (1999-Present)

        Falcons: ???

        Giants: Tittle (1961-64) Tarkenton (1967-71) Simms (1979-93)

        Jaguars: ???

        Jets: Namath (1965-76) O'Brien (1983-92)

        Lions: Layne (1950-58)

        Packers: Starr (1956-71) Favre (1992-2007)

        Panthers: ???

        Patriots: Bledsoe (1993-2001) Brady (2000-Present)

        Raiders: Daryle Lamonica (1967-74) Stabler (1968-79)
        Blanda is mentionable here as well, as is Plunkett

        Rams: Van Brocklin (1949-57) Warner? (1998-2003)

        Ravens: Unitas (Colts)

        Redskins: Baugh (1937-52) Jurgenson (1964-74) Theisman (1974-85)

        Saints: Archie Manning (1971-82) Brees (2006-Present)

        Seahawks: Zorn (1976-84)

        Steelers: Layne (1958-62) Bradshaw (1970-83)
        Roethlisberger (2004-present)

        Texans: ???

        Titans: Warren Moon (1984-93) McNair (1995-05)

        Vikings: Tarkenton (1961-66, 1972-78)



        If I've missed anyone let me know.

        As you can see, many teams haven't even had one, let alone multiple franchise QB's.

        Also, I didn't include Eli. Yeah, he won a SB, but I think we can all agree that isn't the exact criteria for being called "franchise".
        If you don't consider Eli a franchise QB, how can you call Rivers one? Their winning pct. is roughly the same, but Eli has the ring (I agree a ring isn't the most important criteria, but having one over not having one helps).
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        • #19
          Originally posted by CoryWinget81 View Post
          Cool. I'll give you Anderson. Honestly, I never really thought about him, and just kinda skimmed the last post.

          If you call McMahon "franchise" then you have to call Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer the same. 1 average year on the team with the best D arguably in history.

          Matt Hasselback I left out because...I dunno why. I like the guy. I think he is a good QB. He just doesn't scream franchise to me.

          I'm really sorry for leaving out Anderson.
          I think Hasselback deserves to be considered a franchise QB. He took them to the Superbowl, usually has a winning season, and they really suffer when he gets hurt
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Skywalker View Post
            I think Hasselback deserves to be considered a franchise QB. He took them to the Superbowl, usually has a winning season, and they really suffer when he gets hurt
            Good point. Adding Hasselback.

            Don't know why I overlooked that...
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            • #21
              Has anyone listed Dave Krieg yet ?
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              • #22
                I would have agreed with no Eli before this year, but after watching him these
                first two games he's kinda won me over.

                I was surprised you had Trent Green on there, but as I think about i have to agree.


                Matt Ryan, while shouldn't be on the list yet, is very close, already IMO, to being
                a franchise QB just for the fact that they are competitors already and he plays
                a huge part in that.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by CoryWinget81 View Post
                  Cool. I'll give you Anderson. Honestly, I never really thought about him, and just kinda skimmed the last post.

                  If you call McMahon "franchise" then you have to call Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer the same. 1 average year on the team with the best D arguably in history.

                  Matt Hasselback I left out because...I dunno why. I like the guy. I think he is a good QB. He just doesn't scream franchise to me.

                  I'm really sorry for leaving out Anderson.
                  McMahon had intangibles that transcended his stats. He was also clutch as hell. He was a hell of a lot better then Dilfer and Johnson. McMahon at least proved at every level that he could put the team on his back and win a game. You dont need to be a HOFer to be a franchise qb
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by CoryWinget81 View Post
                    Browns: Graham (1946-55) Kosar (1985-96)
                    You forgot Brian Sipe (1974-1983)
                    The Browns are gone; I'm not a fan of the Impostors

                    The real Browns are in Baltimore, see?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Charlie Brown View Post
                      You forgot Brian Sipe (1974-1983)
                      I'm not a Browns fan (obviously). Was Sipe pretty good?
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by CoryWinget81 View Post
                        I'm not a Browns fan (obviously). Was Sipe pretty good?
                        He was up and down.

                        57-55 career record

                        But, he started at QB more games than any other QB in Browns history and was well liked. He engineered the Browns "Kardiac Kids" days. Lost his job and became disgruntled with NFL and decided to play for USFL.
                        The Browns are gone; I'm not a fan of the Impostors

                        The real Browns are in Baltimore, see?

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Charlie Brown View Post
                          He was up and down.

                          57-55 career record

                          But, he started at QB more games than any other QB in Browns history and was well liked. He engineered the Browns "Kardiac Kids" days. Lost his job and became disgruntled with NFL and decided to play for USFL.
                          Very cool. The fans embraced him, then thats a "Franchise Quarterback".
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Charlie Brown View Post
                            He was up and down.

                            57-55 career record

                            But, he started at QB more games than any other QB in Browns history and was well liked. He engineered the Browns "Kardiac Kids" days. Lost his job and became disgruntled with NFL and decided to play for USFL.
                            Originally posted by CoryWinget81 View Post
                            Very cool. The fans embraced him, then thats a "Franchise Quarterback".
                            Not only that...


                            Originally posted by http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/history/honor/detail.php?id=2492
                            Brian Sipe was the most productive quarterback in team history and led the "Kardiac Kids" teams of the late 1970s and early '80s. He is best remembered for the 1980 season when he was named consensus NFL MVP after leading the team into the playoffs and passing for 4,132 yards and 30 touchdowns - both team records. Sipe also set an individual game record for the Browns with 444 passing yards on Oct. 25, 1981 against the Baltimore Colts. He holds the Browns career passing marks for yards (23,713), touchdowns (154), attempts (3,439) and completions (1,944). A 13th round draft choice of the Browns in 1972, Sipe was selected to play in the 1981 Pro Bowl.
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                            • #29
                              Cardinals- Neil Lomax and Jim Hart.....

                              Bengals- Greg Cook.....only mentioned because had he not gotten hurt. Might have been one of the best.....
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by JustDieBaby View Post
                                Cardinals- Neil Lomax and Jim Hart.....

                                Bengals- Greg Cook.....only mentioned because had he not gotten hurt. Might have been one of the best.....
                                Yep.

                                Woulda shoulda coulda. If only he had played in a different era.
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