Another Cutler Question

[Lilrush]

Isn't being a great quarterback about being well rounded? (good under pressure, ball control, leadership, play-making abiliy, discipline) I don't know that Cutler has ANY of those qualities.

I wouldn't trade a pair of used throwback broncos socks for him back.

There were times last year that I thought the NFL might have to install an NBA style play clock to limit the amount of time he stood looking for a receiver. It will be interesting to see if he can adjust to getting rid of the ball quickly.

[ExBearFan]

Isn't being a great quarterback about being well rounded? (good under pressure, ball control, leadership, play-making abiliy, discipline) I don't know that Cutler has ANY of those qualities.

I wouldn't trade a pair of used throwback broncos socks for him back.

If this were basketball, Cutler's like a beast power forward who has a spectacular slam dunk, but can't shoot, play D, and turns the ball over. Sure, he's fun to watch when he makes the occasional big play, but it just ain't worth the cost the rest of the time.

And my god, look what's happened to the Bears running game! I wonder now how much of their success on the ground was due to Orton audible-ing into the right play? Either that or their "new improved" O-line they were all giddy about over the offseason is a work of crap.

[ExBearFan]

Angelo needs to be held accountable for this.

Amen; if there's a worse GM in terms of identifying player talent, I'd like to know who.

Hell, you could field an all-star team of players they've passed on or let go in the last 5 years.

[ExBearFan]

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think what you will about Cutler he is a good QB...

You know, I used to buy into that. Now I'd say Cutler is a good "thrower," not a good "quarterback."

[ExBearFan]

I just can't believe Denver may end up getting a high(ish) draft pick this spring. I figured we'd get a pick in the mid 20's not in the top 15. Unbelievable.

Another stroke of McD genius. Wish I could've bought stock in him....

And hey, gotta give props to Bowlen, too, I guess. He brought him here.

[broncolee]

Where are better receivers coming from? They don't have any draft picks left and they are paying boat loads of money to players that don't produce anything.

Good point, but there is still free agency. They could make a trade that gets them a first or second round pick. They might have to wait until 2011. They will at some point get him at least one more receiver. Knox could conceivably develop into a top notch receiver, which would mean that they would only have to look for one more. If they have two legitimate starters, Hester should be able to do damage in the slot.

[Broncos-R-Great]

Good point, but there is still free agency. They could make a trade that gets them a first or second round pick. They might have to wait until 2011. They will at some point get him at least one more receiver. Knox could conceivably develop into a top notch receiver, which would mean that they would only have to look for one more. If they have two legitimate starters, Hester should be able to do damage in the slot.

Free agency is going to be a lot different next year, and maybe even the next number of years. Next year will, most likely, be an uncapped year meaning free agency is going to limited, there's going to be a lot fewer unrestricted free agents. The scary thing for the Bears is that they could be a few years away from even starting rebuilding, they are stuck with the team they have for the next couple of years.

[Mile High Jedi]

Another stroke of McD genius. Wish I could've bought stock in him....
And hey, gotta give props to Bowlen, too, I guess. He brought him here.

McDaniels certainly deserves lots of praise for what he's accomplished.
But Jay Cutler himself deserves a lot credit for Denver's fortune in this situation.

Afterall, he FORCED his way off the team and opened the door for Orton to come here and take full advantage of what would have been a terrific opportunity for Jay to improve his game.

The extra draft picks were a nice bonus.

[86rocco]

Cutler isn't exactly proving me wrong. He looks more and more like Ryan Leaf every day.

I don't think Cutler is even remotely comparable to R. Leaf, more to Jeff George. He still has potential to shake the Jeff George image but with each passing season it will get tougher and tougher to do so.

Ryan Leaf couldn't handle any of the pressure from the get go and had meltdown after meltdown. Cutler just sulks on the sideline when things aren't right. Other than the position they play there is very little to compare between Cutler and Leaf.

[Tarquin]

I know, I know...But.

Could a team(the Bears obviously) demand a starting QB and two first round draft picks for Cutler today if they wanted to?

Not a chance in Hell.

Not any more.

The media smoke and mirrors that were in place for Cutler has been blown away and shattered by the wind. It's now painfully obvious that while he can certainly throw a perfect spiral, it doesn't look so good when it's thrown directly to the opposing defense.

It's also become painfully obvious that Kyle Orton was getting pretty screwed in Chicago and that he may very well actually be a better quarterback than Jay Cutler.

Fact: Chicago has a much better offense this year than last.
Fact: Chicago is more talented than they were last year.
Fact: Kyle Orton played better under worse circumstances than Jay Cutler is playing currently.

I'm thinking that Chicago's misuse of Orton to begin with hid the fact that he really is, and always has been, an elite quarterback. He just never had the chance to show it before.

There's no way Cutler garners two firsts and a third any more. There's no way he garners a starting QB (aside from the likes of Jafatty the Russel) and two firsts.

No, Chicago can't turn around and trade him for equitable resources. It wouldn't happen. I'd have laughed even more if Cutler had gone to Washington to be honest. They're even worse than the Bears are and Cutler would really be getting his ass handed to him there. On the other hand, we'd have Campbel instead of Orton, and I don't think I like that idea too much.

[Poindexter]

I don't think Cutler is even remotely comparable to R. Leaf, more to Jeff George. He still has potential to shake the Jeff George image but with each passing season it will get tougher and tougher to do so.

Ryan Leaf couldn't handle any of the pressure from the get go and had meltdown after meltdown. Cutler just sulks on the sideline when things aren't right. Other than the position they play there is very little to compare between Cutler and Leaf.

I don't know. Whenever I see Cutler throw a temper tantrum (More often than not) he looks just like Leaf.

Both have tons of arm strength and physical skills. Both are selfish players. Both are hot heads. Both have a tendency to force balls into coverage creating turnovers. He may not be Ryan Leaf just yet, but he's trying really hard to model himself after Leaf.

Here's a thought. Maybe if he worked with the other players on his team, and took ownership for his mistakes instead of blaming everyone else he would improve. All he does now is get pissed at his WR's and brood on the sidelines. To me he will be Ryan Leaf 2.0 until he proves otherwise. Right now his behavior doesn't make me think he's capable of anything else.

[Da Swerski]

Fact: Chicago has a much better offense this year than last.
Fact: Chicago is more talented than they were last year.
Fact: Kyle Orton played better under worse circumstances than Jay Cutler is playing currently.

What are you basing this on? LT Orlando Pace and LG Frank Omiyale have been HUGE downgrades over LT John St. Clair and LG Josh Beekman. It looks more and more like Forte is playing hurt. Everything else is pretty much the same. The Bears problem this year is they have a god awful o-line. Not only did they downgrade the left side, but Olin Kreutz is aging horribly.

The other problem the Bears have is their d-line is bad. The game of football is won and lost at the line of scrimmage, and the Bears epic fail in both areas. Cutler has gotten hit as he throws when a defense only sends three men after the QB. Likewise the Bears have gotten zero pressure on QB's even when they blitz.

As a Bears fan I won't regret the Cutler trade even if you guys get a Top 15 pick out of it. I know he gets a lot of hate here, but he's really good. Cutler was far and away not the problem yesterday, and the thread makes it seem like he was. I get why you all want him to fail, and I don't hold it against you. In the end the trade won't mean a thing if they don't build a team around him. I'm not sure if that can happen.

[iowabronco24]

In the end the trade won't mean a thing if they don't build a team around him. I'm not sure if that can happen.

thats the key, with no 1st or 2nd pick next year, it will be tough to get significantly better.

[Da Swerski]

thats the key, with no 1st or 2nd pick next year, it will be tough to get significantly better.

But it's not like the Bears didn't use those picks to get better. Say what you want but Orton wasn't a good fit here. I don't care what he becomes in Denver. This wasn't the right place for him to succeed. The Bears got their QB situation fixed. They used their 2nd round on Gaines Adams who's a young defensive end. He's an equal gamble to a draft pick. Had they not traded for Adams. They likely would have used their 2nd round pick on a defensive end. Both Ogunleye and Anderson are going to be free agents this offseason.

What the Cutler extension allowed the Bears to do. Was give him a lot of money this year when we had a bunch of cap space. Without having to pay a 1st or 2nd round draft pick this year. They will have money to spend in free agency. If they can sign the right guys is another matter, but there's enough to work with to fix the team. Is Angelo the GM to do it? Probably not.

[iowabronco24]

But it's not like the Bears didn't use those picks to get better. Say what you want but Orton wasn't a good fit here. I don't care what he becomes in Denver. This wasn't the right place for him to succeed. The Bears got their QB situation fixed. They used their 2nd round on Gaines Adams who's a young defensive end. He's an equal gamble to a draft pick. Had they not traded for Adams. They likely would have used their 2nd round pick on a defensive end. Both Ogunleye and Anderson are going to be free agents this offseason.

What the Cutler extension allowed the Bears to do. Was give him a lot of money this year when we had a bunch of cap space. Without having to pay a 1st or 2nd round draft pick this year. They will have money to spend in free agency. If they can sign the right guys is another matter, but there's enough to work with to fix the team. Is Angelo the GM to do it? Probably not.

True, but I'm wondering if the Bears would have made this trade if they would have forseen how bad their O line would be. I know its not a sexy pick (O line in the first). I wasn't thrilled with the Clady pick, and hey..he probably could have been the number 1 pick with his play right now. I think Chicago could benefit from a complete O line makeover, because while Cutler is still finding a way to make plays behind that line, we have seen that its very tough to do it consistently.