Another Cutler Question

[ExBearFan]

Say what you want but Orton wasn't a good fit here. I don't care what he becomes in Denver. This wasn't the right place for him to succeed.

Did you actually watch any games from the first half of last year? Orton was awesome. D gave up 41 to Minn, he scored 48 (against one of the league's top defenses). Produced a game winning long drive with a fantastic TD pass to beat Atlanta, only to have the ST and D give it away in 11 seconds.

His stats after 8 games were better than Cutler's in Denver, and WAY better than Cutler this year.

He knew when to audible, protected the ball, moved the offense, scored. Not "a good fit"? Did you figure he was going to be limping on that ankle forever? If you could trade Cutler's stats through 6 games for Orton's last year at the same point, tell me why in the world you wouldn't do it?

[Gallegos7788]

The Bears could be 3-3 with Orton.

But there is no way in hell Denver would be 6-0 with Cutler.

If Orton(or Cutler) throws one pick inside of the redzone against either Cincy, Dallas, or New England we lose. Period.

[vikingsfan28]

The Bears could be 3-3 with Orton.

But there is no way in hell Denver would be 6-0 with Cutler.

If Orton(or Cutler) throws one pick inside of the redzone against either Cincy, Dallas, or New England we lose. Period.

You are absolutely right!

[vikingsfan28]

But it's not like the Bears didn't use those picks to get better. Say what you want but Orton wasn't a good fit here. I don't care what he becomes in Denver. This wasn't the right place for him to succeed.

That's right. Chicago is no place for a quality quarterback.

[vikingsfan28]

True, but I'm wondering if the Bears would have made this trade if they would have forseen how bad their O line would be. I know its not a sexy pick (O line in the first). I wasn't thrilled with the Clady pick, and hey..he probably could have been the number 1 pick with his play right now. I think Chicago could benefit from a complete O line makeover, because while Cutler is still finding a way to make plays behind that line, we have seen that its very tough to do it consistently.

Problem is that Angelo did use a first round pick on the O line last year but he picked a guy with a back problem that played I think about 2 downs last year and is starting this year but not getting the job done. Today while I listened to the local media trash Lovie Smith for the first time and not say a word about Jerry Angelo who is possibly the worst GM in the NFL, it dawned on me what the Cutler trade was all about. Job security for Angelo. No one dares criticize Angelo because that might bring tarnish to the Cutler trade! So the coaching staff is going to take the hit for the conglomeration of junk that Jerry Angelo has put together over the last few years.

[ERoyal248]

Ryan Leaf, no. Jeff George, maybe. I bet he wishes he was still here.

[Da Swerski]

True, but I'm wondering if the Bears would have made this trade if they would have forseen how bad their O line would be. I know its not a sexy pick (O line in the first). I wasn't thrilled with the Clady pick, and hey..he probably could have been the number 1 pick with his play right now. I think Chicago could benefit from a complete O line makeover, because while Cutler is still finding a way to make plays behind that line, we have seen that its very tough to do it consistently.

They would still do the trade. No position is more important then the QB. The Bears now have their guy. They didn't make the trade to win the Super Bowl in 2009. We've seen bad teams have huge turnarounds. That's how the NFL is set up. People expected Denver to be bad, they've been great. Look at how quick Miami turned around. You need to have the right coaches and GM in place to do it, but it's not as if there's no hope for the Bears. If it takes till 2011-2012 to turn the Bears into legit contenders. That's not a big deal.

Did you actually watch any games from the first half of last year? Orton was awesome. D gave up 41 to Minn, he scored 48 (against one of the league's top defenses). Produced a game winning long drive with a fantastic TD pass to beat Atlanta, only to have the ST and D give it away in 11 seconds.

His stats after 8 games were better than Cutler's in Denver, and WAY better than Cutler this year.

He knew when to audible, protected the ball, moved the offense, scored. Not "a good fit"? Did you figure he was going to be limping on that ankle forever? If you could trade Cutler's stats through 6 games for Orton's last year at the same point, tell me why in the world you wouldn't do it?

I watched Orton last year. He was not awesome, but he did a good job. He wasn't the reason they scored 48 points on offense. There's no point in arguing that. The Kyle Orton in Denver is the same Kyle Orton in Chicago. The difference being is 1.) McDaniels doesn't ask Orton to do anything he's not capable of doing. 2.) The Bronco's have a much better offense. Most QB's will do well behind that O-line and with those receivers.

You have every right to be excited about Orton in Denver. Hopefully he continues to develop behind an offensive guru in McDaniels. I can 100% assure you that the Bears never won a single game because of Kyle Orton. That's not a knock on Orton, but it's the truth. He's a great guy and I hope he continues to be successful. He deserves it.

[darth-hideous]

I think so. Wow is that a bad Bears team. Their d looks like ours last year. They have zero receivers and that O-line is a joke. They have a alot of holes to plug, good thing they resigned Cutler cut that might take some time.

apparently Cutler ruins defenses too.

[iowabronco24]

That's right. Chicago is no place for a quality quarterback.

Ha eaaaaaaaasy now, this isn't the smack section

[iowabronco24]

They would still do the trade. No position is more important then the QB. The Bears now have their guy. They didn't make the trade to win the Super Bowl in 2009. We've seen bad teams have huge turnarounds. That's how the NFL is set up. People expected Denver to be bad, they've been great. Look at how quick Miami turned around. You need to have the right coaches and GM in place to do it, but it's not as if there's no hope for the Bears. If it takes till 2011-2012 to turn the Bears into legit contenders. That's not a big deal.

Well you may be right, they might still take that trade...however I think they might consider not doing it because of how poor the D and O line has played. That is 2 first round picks, and a 3rd...that is a chance at adding 3 quality players, one of which could even be used at a QB in this strong QB class this year if they still weren't happy with Orton, and then they could use those other 2 on O line or D. I don't know, it just seems like the Bears would have had a lot more options than they do now, and they pretty much put all their eggs in one basket for a couple years...

As it stands now, (I would assume for most bears fans) their 3-3 season is a little disappointing.

[Gallegos7788]

What's even funnier is reading the Bears fans expectations of Cutler dwindle before their very eyes. And most of them don't even realize it's happening to them.

The majority of Chicago fans are now trying spin the Hershel Walker Trade of 2009 by saying that Cutler is struggling only because of:

A) His line

B) His running game

C) Coaching

And D) Defense

Well...I may be going out on a limb here-but I'll venture to guess that the Chiefs would also be a good team if they excelled at EVERY facet of the game too!

[iowabronco24]

What's even funnier is reading the Bears fans expectations of Cutler dwindle before their very eyes. And most of them don't even realize it's happening to them.

The majority of Chicago fans are now trying spin the Hershel Walker Trade of 2009 by saying that Cutler is struggling only because of:

A) His line

B) His running game

C) Coaching

And D) Defense

Well...I may be going out on a limb here-but I'll venture to guess that the Chiefs would also be a good team if they excelled at EVERY facet of the game too!

I think its very easy to look at Jays surrounding cast in some throughout his career and come up with ways to defend him (many have). BUT..after watching him for all his career, I see that if you actually look at the situations he's in, most of his INT are NOT excusable. Yes, our defense sucked last year, but that was NOT even close to the sole reason for many of Cutlers interceptions. A good chunk of those interceptions came when the the Broncos either A) Had the lead B) Tied or C) down by 1 score or less. What does this tell you? That even though our defense sucked, Jay was not just forcing throws down field aimlessly because we were down by 21 and we had to get back in the game. Jay was not throwing interceptions because we had 7 RB's on IR. Jay was throwing interceptions because he was making poor decisions, most of which when we were either winning or still in the game. Sometimes people look at the entire thing without looking at the grunt of the arguement. Its easy to look at our defensive stats last year and say "Cutler was just forcing throws because we were always down and he needed to make plays" When that just simply wasn't the case the majority of the time.

[Gallegos7788]

And another thing Bears fans.

Cutler was supposed to win for you DESPITE these things-remember?

So if you want to see what the Windy City Savior would look like with one of the games best O lines and a group of the NFL's elite receivers.

Check Denver's game film from last year.

[dbjeff]

If Orton(or Cutler) throws one pick inside of the redzone against either Cincy, Dallas, or New England we lose. Period.

Unless Cutler was able to lead us to more points that Orton was able to.

But, I guess that's not possible at all.

[ExBearFan]

They would still do the trade. No position is more important then the QB. The Bears now have their guy. They didn't make the trade to win the Super Bowl in 2009.

Totally wrong. Bears fans have been besides themselves with SB talk this offseason. Even SI picked them to go to the Bowl.

We've seen bad teams have huge turnarounds. That's how the NFL is set up. People expected Denver to be bad, they've been great. Look at how quick Miami turned around. You need to have the right coaches and GM in place to do it, but it's not as if there's no hope for the Bears. If it takes till 2011-2012 to turn the Bears into legit contenders. That's not a big deal.

Curious how you're gonna do that with no draft picks, a history of wasting talent, and such free agent brilliant moves as picking up guys other teams have dumped like Pace.

I watched Orton last year. He was not awesome, but he did a good job. He wasn't the reason they scored 48 points on offense. There's no point in arguing that.

No point for you, you mean, because I did see that game and you are totally wrong. No, Kyle didn't throw five 80-yard passes in that game; he only hit almost 70% of his passes for nearly 300 yards and two TDs. I guess it was the Bears' massive 53-yard rushing effort (on 22 carries) that won the game.

The Kyle Orton in Denver is the same Kyle Orton in Chicago.

Finally, you're right about something.

The difference being is 1.) McDaniels doesn't ask Orton to do anything he's not capable of doing.

Like play on an ankle after 2 weeks when he should have been put on IR.

2.) The Bronco's have a much better offense. Most QB's will do well behind that O-line and with those receivers.

And yet last year Kyle ran up better numbers through 8 games (before his injury) than Cutler did at Denver. And this year Kyle is running up MUCH better numbers here than Cutler did.

I can 100% assure you that the Bears never won a single game because of Kyle Orton.

That is such a patently ridiculous statement as to not warrent a response. Unless your point is, Kyle gave the Bears leads in the 4th quarter only to see the D throw them away.

He's a great guy and I hope he continues to be successful. He deserves it.

Well, we do agree on some things!