Quinn-Hillis Trade: Hillis pushes for starting spot with Browns

[Hadez]

Reading this thread i just have no idea what Hillis did to get the hate of so many so called "true fans"

The dude was a warrior for us. Other RBs fumbled more then he did. Other RBs contributed more penalties then he did.

Can understand why people hate Cutler and Marshall but frankly Hillis does not deserve it.

When someone irrationally hates Hillis I think it is just as telling as those who irrationally hate McD.

On the topic of the trade that sent Hillis to Clev, it may end up being looked at as a bad trade one day but considering what Hillis meant to McD the trade was a no brainer for McD.

Think Hillis is a great player but he never would have gotten playing time in the Denver backfield...well he would have now with all the injuries but who can predict that.

Better to have a possible starting QB then a RB who the coach refuses to play any day.

[Alastor]

He looked strong, really strong. Yes its preseason and yes its the rams but the kid was runnin through folks fighting for every inch. I don't care what anyone says how can any team not need that(I know we do). He is the epitome of a tuff,short yard, goaline back. That trade was ridiculous. Don't believe me... just ask yourself how will Hillis help the Browns and then how will Quinn help us? It remains to be seen but the answer is very obvious to me. This one (trade) upsets me to no end.

I will give McD his due when and if he deserves it but everytime Cutler,Marsh,Hillis and Scheff make a play i will curse his name LOUDLY

In other words, you're going to be in for a nice, quiet winter, especially based on last season's performances.

[biglig]

He looked strong, really strong. Yes its preseason and yes its the rams but the kid was runnin through folks fighting for every inch. I don't care what anyone says how can any team not need that(I know we do). He is the epitome of a tuff,short yard, goaline back. That trade was ridiculous. Don't believe me... just ask yourself how will Hillis help the Browns and then how will Quinn help us? It remains to be seen but the answer is very obvious to me. This one (trade) upsets me to no end.

I will give McD his due when and if he deserves it but everytime Cutler,Marsh,Hillis and Scheff make a play i will curse his name LOUDLY

[MoXplant]

I do think we gave away a smash-mouth football player in Hillis, but I accept that the Bronco's smarts guys will do what they think is best for the team - so I accept it...hate it, but accept it.

I think the kid has the mojo, and I hope he has a great career - I don't think he got a fair shake here for whatever reason.

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[BroncoFan1088]

If you guys want to compare Moreno's mistakes to Hillis' mistakes you can check my post history because I have discussed that so many times I don't care to re-post it anymore. But the mistakes were very similar in their time on offense and so where there pass blocking, Moreno let up at least one very obvious sack on Orton to start the Ravens game, I can not remember one hillis let up because he was so seldomly even in the game to allow a sack in pass blocking at the RB position.

I root for Hillis and I'm trying to root for Quinn but I'm a much bigger fan of both Orton and Tebow. I seriously do not find anything good in Quinns play to this point.

It's still the preseason also, so until one of them does something big during the regular season then this debate isn't exactly going to be resolved.

[japfaff]

Personally I always liked Hillis. I think that he is a beter fit for our O than Moreno is.... But that being said... He was never going to see the field here. i still think that it was a very smart trade

[Alastor]

You said a good back would find the hole. I inferred by good back you meant Moreno and Buck.

No, Moreno certainly had his share of miscues last season as well. At times however, he showed the potential he has. He was also a rookie. I remember at least three plays where he was one shoe-string tackle away from breaking off big gains for TDs for example. He did much better in pass-blocking than Hillis as well.

Pass-blocking is a big part of this too. The trade may have had more to do with the fact that in our system a back must be able to pass block as well as run the ball, and Hillis was a horrible pass-blocker last season. He left some things to be desired in run blocking as a lead blocker as well.

On two back to back plays against the Browns specifically I recall him missing his goal-line block when he led for Moreno, which resulted in us getting stuffed.

It's not just about his ability to run. In our system the backs must also be able to block, and they certainly can't be getting false start penalties that push us out of short and goal.

It's not just about the running.

And it wasn't really directed at you specifically, I just noticed A LOT of people scape goat the Oline for Moreno's failures, and when Hillis comes into the conversation "omg he sucked all his fault".

A little clarity goes a long way.

[Bernie24]

Wouldn't that indicate that there might be a problem with the runner? I mean even with a bad line Moreno got a lot of yards...

Moreno was given multiple oppurtunities.

I never said anything like that in this thread and neither did anyone else. Don't put words in my mouth, Bernard. It's dishonest as well as irritating.

I try hard to be fair and reasonable in the conversations I have on the boards here. I'd appreciate it if you started doing the same, at least when having a conversation with me.

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You said a good back would find the hole. I inferred by good back you meant Moreno and Buck. And it wasn't really directed at you specifically, I just noticed A LOT of people scape goat the Oline for Moreno's failures, and when Hillis comes into the conversation "omg he sucked all his fault".

[BRONCOS_OWN_U16]

1. There was not.

2. Also not true, Hillis got stuffed 2-3 times last year, because that's about all the chance he was given.

And funny how a good back like Moreno never misses a hole that was present. Nope when Moreno runs and gets stuffed(probably around 50 times last year) there is no hole. When it happens to Hillis, he didn't see it.

When he was given legit time as a complimentary back in garbage time he destroyed the Chiefs.(I know it the Chiefs but still) He carried about 3 of them on his back from behind the LOS for a first down.

I just loved how Hillis would give it everything he had every down and I honestly wish we had more players like him...

everyone destroyed the chiefs that day.
including moreno and buckhalter.

[Alastor]

1. There was not.

2. Also not true, Hillis got stuffed 2-3 times last year, because that's about all the chance he was given.

Wouldn't that indicate that there might be a problem with the runner? I mean even with a bad line Moreno got a lot of yards...

And funny how a good back like Moreno never misses a hole that was present.

I never said anything like that in this thread and neither did anyone else. Don't put words in my mouth, Bernard. It's dishonest as well as irritating.

I try hard to be fair and reasonable in the conversations I have on the boards here. I'd appreciate it if you started doing the same, at least when having a conversation with me.

[BRONCOS_OWN_U16]

yea and backup qb with quinns talent are a easy to find too. but i realy dont see too many rb/fb with a set of hand like hillis.

the broncos were banking on quinns potential. they were hoping he could develop more in denver. he's still young and its only been 2 preseason games. Orton looked just as bad last preseason. he still has time to turn things around.


and yes you can find a fb with hands like hillis. our old fb kyle johnson had great hands. maybe even better then hillis.

[Bernie24]

I believe that reflects fumbles lost, not fumbles.

he fumbled one kick-off last season at a minimum, but I'm fairly certain there were more.
I don't discount the issues with the O-line that you raise. I do think that when he's missing blocks and blowing assignments in run blocking or pass blocking that this means something, and then I see him miss a hole on a run play and I have to think he actually missed the hole rather than it not being where it was supposed to be.

Further, good backs can find the open hole. There were times when Hillis ran that holes were present and he simply didn't find them.

1. There was not.

2. Also not true, Hillis got stuffed 2-3 times last year, because that's about all the chance he was given.

And funny how a good back like Moreno never misses a hole that was present. Nope when Moreno runs and gets stuffed(probably around 50 times last year) there is no hole. When it happens to Hillis, he didn't see it.

When he was given legit time as a complimentary back in garbage time he destroyed the Chiefs.(I know it the Chiefs but still) He carried about 3 of them on his back from behind the LOS for a first down.

I just loved how Hillis would give it everything he had every down and I honestly wish we had more players like him...

[Alastor]

Nope. He only fumbled the ball once while returning a kick against the Browns. But people create such a bad image for him that it looks like he fumbled the ball 10 times.

Fair enough. I believe ya'.

[-Rod-]

I believe that reflects fumbles lost, not fumbles.

he fumbled one kick-off last season at a minimum, but I'm fairly certain there were more.

Nope. He only fumbled the ball once while returning a kick against the Browns. But people create such a bad image of him that it looks like he fumbled the ball 10 times.

[Alastor]

That's an intereting angle, especially considering that Hillis only has 1 fumble in his career. But nice try. Creative angle :thumb:

And it's funny how a short yard failure for Hillis is his just fault, yet when it happens to Moreno the OL is to blame...

I believe that reflects fumbles lost, not fumbles.

he fumbled one kick-off last season at a minimum, but I'm fairly certain there were more.

I don't discount the issues with the O-line that you raise. I do think that when he's missing blocks and blowing assignments in run blocking or pass blocking that this means something, and then I see him miss a hole on a run play and I have to think he actually missed the hole rather than it not being where it was supposed to be.

Further, good backs can find the open hole. There were times when Hillis ran that holes were present and he simply didn't find them.