The Good, The Bad and the Ugly of the Browns loss vs the Bucs

[Charlie Brown]

Ok, just in case anybody was wondering (and some people have asked me questions) here is my analysis of the Browns loss vs the Bucs.

The Good:

The Browns played some good football for the first two quarters.

The Browns averaged nearly 5 yards a run.

T.J. Ward played very well and was all over the field making plays and tackles (10 tackles).

Joe Haden did a damn fine job covering.

The Browns outplayed their opponents

The Browns were well on their way to a 21-3 halftime lead.

The Bad:

The Browns lost the game.

The Browns lost to an inferior team.

The Browns turned the ball over instead of scoring the touchdown which would have led to a 21-3 advantage at halftime.

The Ugly:

Delhomme threw two interception.

Peyton Hillis fumbled the ball twice (one was recovered by the Browns)

Peyton Hillis is slow.

Jerome Harrison had only 9 carries.

The Browns threw the ball 38 times and ran 23 times.

The Browns seemed to abandon the run game in the second half.

The playcalling was abysmal. Haden played well yet did give Spurlock a TD. Why is he listed as good? Because the Browns decided to blitz on a 3rd and 10 play leaving only Haden in coverage. Leaving a ROOKIE with no help = bad coaching and bad playcalling.

[bears6385]

Ok, just in case anybody was wondering (and some people have asked me questions) here is my analysis of the Browns loss vs the Bucs.

The Good:

The Browns played some good football for the first two quarters.

The Browns averaged nearly 5 yards a run.

T.J. Ward played very well and was all over the field making plays and tackles (10 tackles).

Joe Haden did a damn fine job covering.

The Browns outplayed their opponents

The Browns were well on their way to a 21-3 halftime lead.

The Bad:

The Browns lost the game.

The Browns lost to an inferior team.

The Browns turned the ball over instead of scoring the touchdown which would have led to a 21-3 advantage at halftime.

The Ugly:

Delhomme threw two interception.

Peyton Hillis fumbled the ball twice (one was recovered by the Browns)

Peyton Hillis is slow.

Jerome Harrison had only 9 carries.

The Browns threw the ball 38 times and ran 23 times.

The Browns seemed to abandon the run game in the second half.

The playcalling was abysmal. Haden played well yet did give Spurlock a TD. Why is he listed as good? Because the Browns decided to blitz on a 3rd and 10 play leaving only Haden in coverage. Leaving a ROOKIE with no help = bad coaching and bad playcalling.

Typical Browns game under Mangini. Could be the first coach fired.

[Chargerbomb]

It's pretty hilarious that Eric Mangini, Mike Holmgren and Charlie Brown thought Delhomme would be good or even decent at QB.

[Charlie Brown]

It's pretty hilarious that Eric Mangini, Mike Holmgren and Charlie Brown thought Delhomme would be good or even decent at QB.

It's pretty hiliarious that the media proclaims Delhomme to not be the answer because he threw a touchdown and two interceptions in a game. But, at the same time declares that Sam Bradford is the "real deal" when he throws a touchdown and not just two interceptions, but three.

[White Dragon]

Dude, watch out. All those Hillis homers are going to come out of wherever they are and get at you.

At least you can see that Hillis, while decent, is definitely nothing special.

[Chargerbomb]

It's pretty hiliarious that the media proclaims Delhomme to not be the answer because he threw a touchdown and two interceptions in a game. But, at the same time declares that Sam Bradford is the "real deal" when he throws a touchdown and not just two interceptions, but three.

LOL, you're comparing Delhomme to a rookie in his first game. That should be a sign that you are reaching. Badly.

[Charlie Brown]

LOL, you're comparing Delhomme to a rookie in his first game. That should be a sign that you are reaching. Badly.

Poor play is poor play.

Calling out Delhomme and praising Bradford for the same level of play is a double standard.

Holding Delhomme and Bradford to different standards just because one is a "rookie" is not right. Bradford is expected to start for the Rams. He keeps having games where he throws a single touchdown and three times as many interceptions and he won't be in the NFL very long.

Delhomme made some stupid mistakes, so what. It isn't like he's going to do that all year long. One game does not make a career. But, if they continue to play that way for a length of time it becomes a trend. If it stays a trend, then there is a problem.

[Chargerbomb]

Poor play is poor play.

Calling out Delhomme and praising Bradford for the same level of play is a double standard.

Holding Delhomme and Bradford to different standards just because one is a "rookie" is not right. Bradford is expected to start for the Rams. He keeps having games where he throws a single touchdown and three times as many interceptions and he won't be in the NFL very long.

Delhomme made some stupid mistakes, so what. It isn't like he's going to do that all year long. One game does not make a career. But, if they continue to play that way for a length of time it becomes a trend. If it stays a trend, then there is a problem.

Actually, it is like he's gonna do that all year long. That is what he has become known for; bad decisions leading to turnovers.

I'm sorry that you deluded yourself into thinking that last year was an abberation for Delhomme. The reality is that he has never been a good decision-maker, and when asked to win games with his arm he usually ends up failing. He is about done in this league, and it makes zero sense that he has received his last 2 contracts, given his truly awful performance over the past year and a half.

[Charlie Brown]

Actually, it is like he's gonna do that all year long. That is what he has become known for; bad decisions leading to turnovers.

No, he won't play that "bad" all year long. Aside from the second half, where the coaches abandoned the running game and made an already injured (Delhomme injured his ankle on his first interception) QB throw the ball like a madman. Delhomme would have played well and the Browns would have won. But, the coaching staff decided to make the Browns one dimensional and rely solely on the passing game.

[Biggregb]

Charlie, you realize Hillis is a legend around here don't you? You should probably edit your post to include how beastly he looked on his TD.



(sarcasm)

[Charlie Brown]

Charlie, you realize Hillis is a legend around here don't you? You should probably edit your post to include how beastly he looked on his TD.



(sarcasm)

LOL

I don't care for the Hillis apologists. In their eyes, he never can do any wrong. He was a "legend" and I use that term loosely because he held onto the ball really well. Fumbling only once on a kickoff return or some junk like that. Well, he's a Brown now and in one game with the Browns I can honestly say, his holding onto the ball really well, it was an illusion. He already has twice as many fumbles than touchdowns withs the Browns. Harrison is a much better back.

Even if he is a little small by standards in the NFL. Also, he isn't a bruising back (Harrison). But, heck, hopefully Hardesty stops getting injured and comes back next year healthy and stays healthy.

[Biggregb]

LOL

I don't care for the Hillis apologists. In their eyes, he never can do any wrong. He was a "legend" and I use that term loosely because he held onto the ball really well. Fumbling only once on a kickoff return or some junk like that. Well, he's a Brown now and in one game with the Browns I can honestly say, his holding onto the ball really well, it was an illusion. He already has twice as many fumbles than touchdowns withs the Browns. Harrison is a much better back.

Even if he is a little small by standards in the NFL. Also, he isn't a bruising back (Harrison). But, heck, hopefully Hardesty stops getting injured and comes back next year healthy and stays healthy.

I hope Harrison is the better back, I have him on my fantasy team.

[pblack18707]

Ok, just in case anybody was wondering (and some people have asked me questions) here is my analysis of the Browns loss vs the Bucs.

The Good:

The Browns played some good football for the first two quarters.

The Browns averaged nearly 5 yards a run.

T.J. Ward played very well and was all over the field making plays and tackles (10 tackles).

Joe Haden did a damn fine job covering.

The Browns outplayed their opponents

The Browns were well on their way to a 21-3 halftime lead.

The Bad:

The Browns lost the game.

The Browns lost to an inferior team.

The Browns turned the ball over instead of scoring the touchdown which would have led to a 21-3 advantage at halftime.

The Ugly:

Delhomme threw two interception.

Peyton Hillis fumbled the ball twice (one was recovered by the Browns)

Peyton Hillis is slow.

Jerome Harrison had only 9 carries.

The Browns threw the ball 38 times and ran 23 times.

The Browns seemed to abandon the run game in the second half.

The playcalling was abysmal. Haden played well yet did give Spurlock a TD. Why is he listed as good? Because the Browns decided to blitz on a 3rd and 10 play leaving only Haden in coverage. Leaving a ROOKIE with no help = bad coaching and bad playcalling.

well that pretty much covers it. i dont agree about hillis being slow though. did you notice him run down the saftey after the int?

another thing. how many quick slant passes in the middle did you notice? i did not see one and i thought that was one of the things jd was good at?

[-Rod-]

http://www.cleveland.com/dman/index.ssf/2010/09/dmans_world_upon_further_revie.html

Upon further review, Browns RB Peyton Hillis not entirely to blame for fumble

Quarterback Jake Delhomme did not play well, the offensive line periodically teetered in the heat and rain, and Josh Cribbs made minimal impact on special teams. Running back Peyton Hillis also hurt the Browns with a fumble, but I am not going to give him goat horns for it.

After watching the replay the first time, at regular speed, I figured Hillis was at fault. The ball was in his hands, then it wasn't. He was hit by Tampa Bay linebacker Barrett Ruud, who must have jarred it loose. (The camera angle was from behind the Browns' backfield).

But when I routinely watched the play in slow motion, I was bothered by the fact that Ruud did not appear to hit Hillis near the ball. Ruud went low, and neither arm nor his lead shoulder was in the vicinity of the ball. So I kept rewinding. Eventually, I saw an elbow. It did not belong to Ruud or Hillis, but to Browns tight end Robert Royal. I started the play over and followed Royal scraping along the line from right to left. At the last instant, Royal attempted to squeeze into a tight space between the linebacker and Hillis. Ruud appeared to push Royal slightly and into Hillis. Royal's left elbow disappeared into Hillis. Two frames later, the ball was out.

I am 99 and 44/100 percent sure that an inadvertent elbow to the football by Royal, with a slight assist from Ruud, caused Hillis to fumble. I think that is why Hillis told reporters that he could not remember if the ball was ripped out or if he just lost it. He couldn't remember because he knew Ruud didn't do it, and he knew he didn't simply drop it, but he couldn't account for what hit him.

Therefore, I wouldn't get down on Hillis just yet. He made several superb plays against the Bucs, including a 10-yard TD run. He's agile for a big man and plays with an attitude.

Let me see. Hillis chased down the DB that intercepted Delhomme, saving a touchdown. And he also had a 10-yard run, reaching the endzone before the DB could tackle him. So he is not slow. He has at the very least the same game speed than Moreno.

I did not see the first fumble, but Hillis himself recovered it, so no big deal. And it was raining.

No apologies here, I'm just adding a little substance to this shallow thread.

[Charlie Brown]

Let me see. Hillis chased down the DB that intercepted Delhomme, saving a touchdown.

What happened on the next play? Saved a touchdown? No, delayed a touchdown.

And he also had a 10-yard run, reaching the endzone before the DB could tackle him. So he is not slow. He has at the very least the same game speed than Moreno.

What was his longest run of the game? Thirty nine yards? No. Try twelve yards. He is so good at seperating from tacklers and has such great elusive speed that his longest run was for .... twelve yards. Jerome Harrison on the other hand had a run for nearly 40 yards. So, who was making plays? Who was getting open. Harrison or Hillis. Well, Harrison's average was over 5 yards a carry. Harrison was getting open. Hillis simply was the beneficiary of Harrison's plays. Why? Because that amazing 10 yard touchdown run followed Harrison's nearly 40 yard run. So, who was making plays? Harrison. Harrison allowed the only positive thing for Hillis in the game. Hillis is a detriment to the team.

I did not see the first fumble, but Hillis himself recovered it, so no big deal. And it was raining.

Oh, so it was raining and so it isn't his fault. You are aware that Cleveland has some of the harshest weather in the NFL, right? It is windy, cold, rainy, and snowy at Browns stadium. So, if Hillis can't be trusted in poor weather, well, he shouldn't be in Cleveland.

No apologies here, I'm just adding a little substance to this shallow thread.

Very much an apologist. Hillis does no wrong.