If the Bears' Offensive line is so awful...

[ExBearFan]

...then why did they give up only one sack in the second half of the Giants game? Did NY suddenly decide to show pity in a conference game when the score was 3-0? Nobody's talking about that: nine sacks of Cutler, and one of Collins and Hanie.

I mean, is someone going to argue that Todd Collins is more mobile and pocket-savvy than Cutler? Or if we assume the Bears made adjustments at halftime, then it's the coaches' fault, not the o-line's. They protected Collins and Hanie from the same rush.

Or maybe Cutler just spent too much time looking 40 yards downfield. I'm just not convinced the o-line is the disaster people are making it out to be.

[Spice 1]

...then why did they give up only one sack in the second half of the Giants game? Did NY suddenly decide to show pity in a conference game when the score was 3-0? Nobody's talking about that: nine sacks of Cutler, and one of Collins and Hanie.

I mean, is someone going to argue that Todd Collins is more mobile and pocket-savvy than Cutler? Or if we assume the Bears made adjustments at halftime, then it's the coaches' fault, not the o-line's. They protected Collins and Hanie from the same rush.

Or maybe Cutler just spent too much time looking 40 yards downfield. I'm just not convinced the o-line is the disaster people are making it out to be.

During a few plays that I can remember, Cutler had open receivers underneath, but he was eyeballing the routes downfield. Cutler has never been a big fan of throwing the ball away either, so if it's not there, he might hold on a bit longer to make a play. This can be good and bad. I think that he and the Bears can get away with it, but they are going to have to run the ball a lot better than they have been.

[Alastor]

I doubt very much that any kind of coaching adjustment could take a team that just gave up 10 sacks in one half and suddenly have them only give up one in the second half.

Something else must have changed. Since it wasn't the linemen, the defense, or a coaching adjustment, I wonder what else it could be...

[getlynched47]

This discussion has already taken place. Jay Cutler held the ball too long. Period.

Cris Collinsworth let Cutler have it on Sunday Night Football. Rightfully so.


The funny thing is that when we gave up like 12 sacks in 2008, it was because Jay Cutler's mobility and ability to escape the rush that he wasn't sacked more.

What happened to that Jay Cutler? Too bad, Chicago

[thatkidhunt]

...then why did they give up only one sack in the second half of the Giants game? Did NY suddenly decide to show pity in a conference game when the score was 3-0? Nobody's talking about that: nine sacks of Cutler, and one of Collins and Hanie.

I mean, is someone going to argue that Todd Collins is more mobile and pocket-savvy than Cutler? Or if we assume the Bears made adjustments at halftime, then it's the coaches' fault, not the o-line's. They protected Collins and Hanie from the same rush.

Or maybe Cutler just spent too much time looking 40 yards downfield. I'm just not convinced the o-line is the disaster people are making it out to be.

The Bears Offensive Line was absolutely atrocious last year and they are even worse this year. Don't kid yourself dude, your better then this.

At the risk of getting into an all night debate, this seems like yet another thread trying to bash Cutler............

Cutler was sacked more times in 7 games last season then he was the ENTIRE YEAR the previous year in Denver.

Now I am not saying that Jay didn't hold the ball too long on some plays, maybe he did, but 9 Sacks in one half, and thats Cutler's fault?? I dont buy it.

The Bears OL is THAT BAD, its blatenly obvious my friend.

[thatkidhunt]

Before I get gang tackled on here, I am just going to excuse myself from this conversation.

I have to keep my blood pressure down

[12and4]

@ hunt, as long as its not too low now



@ thread... maybe they just stopped blitzing to manage the game?

i didn't watch much of the 2nd half though

[Alastor]

The Bears OL is THAT BAD, its blatenly obvious my friend.

That's a fair point. It is not the stance many on here had when we were talking about Kyle Orton behind an even worse O-line, however.

[thatkidhunt]

That's a fair point. It is not the stance many on here had when we were talking about Kyle Orton behind an even worse O-line, however.

Very true, but how would we compare the Bears OL from 08, 09, and this year??



I would put it this way: The Chicago Bears Offensive Line has been pretty bad for the last 3-4 seasons, period.

[Alastor]

I would put it this way: The Chicago Bears Offensive Line has been pretty bad for the last 3-4 seasons, period.

Agreed. But I agreed with that when we first traded for Orton too - and I caught Hell for it.

Many people told us the O-line wasn't the problem. If the O-line wasn't the problem, the problem must be something else now too since the line is better than it was when Orton was there.

[thatkidhunt]

Agreed. But I agreed with that when we first traded for Orton too - and I caught Hell for it.

Many people told us the O-line wasn't the problem. If the O-line wasn't the problem, the problem must be something else now too since the line is better than it was when Orton was there.

How is it better though? I am not saying its worse, but it can't possibly be much better. The Giants aren't exactly a dominating pass coverage type team and since some are suggesting that Cutler was holding the ball too long then they must be implying that the Giants secondary was doing that good of a job covering recievers downfield??

I surely don't remember Orton ever getting sacked that many times in a game let alone 1 half and Cutler without question is much more mobile then Kyle....

I agree that the OL was horrible when Orton was there but it has to be just as bad if not worse now.

Maybe I am wrong, I just don't see a very accurate way of determining it was worse then or now which is why I simply said its been pretty horrid for a few years now. Orton and Cutler both have/had it bad IMO.

[ExBearFan]

The Bears Offensive Line was absolutely atrocious last year and they are even worse this year. Don't kid yourself dude, your better then this.

At the risk of getting into an all night debate, this seems like yet another thread trying to bash Cutler............

Cutler was sacked more times in 7 games last season then he was the ENTIRE YEAR the previous year in Denver.

Now I am not saying that Jay didn't hold the ball too long on some plays, maybe he did, but 9 Sacks in one half, and thats Cutler's fault?? I dont buy it.

The Bears OL is THAT BAD, its blatenly obvious my friend.

But they suddenly became good at halftime? Answer my question, please. (But yeah, some of those sacks were definitely on the OL. I'm not giving them a total pass.)

[ExBearFan]

Very true, but how would we compare the Bears OL from 08, 09, and this year??

I would put it this way: The Chicago Bears Offensive Line has been pretty bad for the last 3-4 seasons, period.

Exactly. Just think: the Bears could have had the NFL's leading passer (Orton), Hakeem Nicks at WR, and a 1st and 3rd round draft choice from the last couple of drafts to shore up the OL.

Instead, they have this offensive line and, for now, Todd Collins.

[12and4]

who cares... we got the better end of the trade and we should be happy.

you are an exbearsfan, hopefully that means a broncos fan.. (as opposed to an orton fan).


i do root for cutler though on my spare time... as i root for bmarsh and shanny...

[ExBearFan]

How is it better though? I am not saying its worse, but it can't possibly be much better. The Giants aren't exactly a dominating pass coverage type team and since some are suggesting that Cutler was holding the ball too long then they must be implying that the Giants secondary was doing that good of a job covering recievers downfield??

I surely don't remember Orton ever getting sacked that many times in a game let alone 1 half and Cutler without question is much more mobile then Kyle....

I agree that the OL was horrible when Orton was there but it has to be just as bad if not worse now.

Maybe I am wrong, I just don't see a very accurate way of determining it was worse then or now which is why I simply said its been pretty horrid for a few years now. Orton and Cutler both have/had it bad IMO.

I agree; there may be no harder thing to compare than offensive lines with different QBs behind them. Suffice to say, they have been bad for a good while, as Alastor said.

But the Bears have spent a ton of money and a 1st on shoring up that OL. So either it is better and Cutler's worse at getting rid of the ball (my opinion), or JA has absolutely no idea of how to judge NFL talent (also my opinion).