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  • bears6385
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    Originally posted by bronx_2003 View Post
    The Bears generated no offense and lost even though Hester took another one back to the house.

    We know why the Bears went to the SB and why the Ravens won a SB in 2000 and Why the Bucs won a few years back, it wasn't because of Brad Johnson.

    Yes, In some cases a team can win the SB with anyone at QB, However that is extremely rare and you really need a good QB, especially in todays NFL.
    In 2006 the Bears were second in the league in points scored..........Ravens and Bucs can't say that. Bears in 2006 had a decent offense, good OL, outstanding running game Jones/Benson, solid receivers, and a QB who could be very hot 8 games with a QBR between 94 to 148, or very cold, five games where his QBR fell off the charts.

    No matter what 2006 was a great year in Chicago.

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  • Charlie Brown
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    Originally posted by bronx_2003 View Post
    But you're saying that if the team is amazing at every other aspect than any QB can win.

    I just think that you need a franchise QB and if you don't have one than find one.
    You build the surrounding cast up and you can plug anybody in at QB.

    If you have the mindset that all you need is a QB, you will find a lot of Ryan Leafs.

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  • bronx_2003
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    Originally posted by Charlie Brown View Post
    I am using them as examples of exceptions. That a QB does not need to be pretty to win in the NFL. If a QB is placed into a situation where he has a strong running back, offensive line, and a defense that shuts down opposing offences, he can win. Teams have shown that they can win with that formula. Sure, it isn't flashy but they get the job done.

    Look for instance at your own team's history. Elway was considered a lackluster QB in the mid 90s and your own head coach wanted to replace him with a young hotshot QB named Tommy Maddox. What happened then? A "rebellion" so to speak in which rather than Elway leaving Denver, the coach was fired. The new coach emphasized a power running game and built a stellar surrounding cast for your QB. With that new scheme in place, what happened?
    But you're saying that if the team is amazing at every other aspect than any QB can win.

    I just think that you need a franchise QB and if you don't have one than find one.

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  • Charlie Brown
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    Originally posted by bronx_2003 View Post
    The Bears generated no offense and lost even though Hester took another one back to the house.

    We know why the Bears went to the SB and why the Ravens won a SB in 2000 and Why the Bucs won a few years back, it wasn't because of Brad Johnson.

    Yes, In some cases a team can win the SB with anyone at QB, However that is extremely rare and you really need a good QB, especially in todays NFL.
    I am using them as examples of exceptions. That a QB does not need to be pretty to win in the NFL. If a QB is placed into a situation where he has a strong running back, offensive line, and a defense that shuts down opposing offences, he can win. Teams have shown that they can win with that formula. Sure, it isn't flashy but they get the job done.

    Look for instance at your own team's history. Elway was considered a lackluster QB in the mid 90s and your own head coach wanted to replace him with a young hotshot QB named Tommy Maddox. What happened then? A "rebellion" so to speak in which rather than Elway leaving Denver, the coach was fired. The new coach emphasized a power running game and built a stellar surrounding cast for your QB. With that new scheme in place, what happened?

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  • bronx_2003
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    Originally posted by Charlie Brown View Post
    Coaches went with those quarterbacks because they were the best players available to them. Orton and Grossman both are decent stop-gaps while teams are looking for a "franchise QB". Also, another thought.

    As Grossman has shown in the past, teams can find success with him behind center. The Bears made it to the Super Bowl with him as their QB and another team won a Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer (though they started the season with Tony Banks) at quarterback.

    A quarterback doesn't have to be pretty to win in the league.
    The Bears generated no offense and lost even though Hester took another one back to the house.

    We know why the Bears went to the SB and why the Ravens won a SB in 2000 and Why the Bucs won a few years back, it wasn't because of Brad Johnson.

    Yes, In some cases a team can win the SB with anyone at QB, However that is extremely rare and you really need a good QB, especially in todays NFL.

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  • Charlie Brown
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    Coaches went with those quarterbacks because they were the best players available to them. Orton and Grossman both are decent stop-gaps while teams are looking for a "franchise QB". Also, another thought.

    As Grossman has shown in the past, teams can find success with him behind center. The Bears made it to the Super Bowl with him as their QB and another team won a Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer (though they started the season with Tony Banks) at quarterback.

    A quarterback doesn't have to be pretty to win in the league.

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  • bronx_2003
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    Originally posted by Chargerbomb View Post
    There are only so many good QBs to go around.
    They should of looked for a young QB in the draft like Cincy, Cle, Tenn and Minn have done, among others.

    Just surprised Washington were happy with Grossman.

    I like what Rex done by trading up a long way and getting Sanchez. I'm not a big Sanchez fan but I like the aggressive intent of finding your guy.

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  • Chargerbomb
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    Originally posted by bronx_2003 View Post
    It's irrelevant how Tebow and Beck do.

    I know it's not easy finding a franchise QB but some teams just seem happy starting these QB's who have never been successful.

    Its like Seattle trading for and starting Tavaris Jackson. Its pretty obvious he is not a starter.
    There are only so many good QBs to go around.

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  • bronx_2003
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    Originally posted by Chargerbomb View Post
    Maybe because their backups are even worse?

    Let's see how Tebow and Beck do before judging the coaching staffs too harshly.
    It's irrelevant how Tebow and Beck do.

    I know it's not easy finding a franchise QB but some teams just seem happy starting these QB's who have never been successful.

    Its like Seattle trading for and starting Tavaris Jackson. Its pretty obvious he is not a starter.

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  • Chargerbomb
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    Maybe because their backups are even worse?

    Let's see how Tebow and Beck do before judging the coaching staffs too harshly.

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  • dsmith275
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    So you would like Orton and Grossman back?? Im sure the Broncos and Redskins can make that happen!

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  • bears6385
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    Originally posted by dsmith275 View Post
    Lovie Smith loves him some Grossman and Orton shocking both were once on the same team
    Except the Bears got to the 2006 Super Bowl with those QB's on the roster.

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  • dsmith275
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    Lovie Smith loves him some Grossman and Orton shocking both were once on the same team

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  • Hadez
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    Grossman is a good QB2.

    Orton has too many tells to be in the NFL.

    Regardless people will get desperate and start just about anyone they think will give them a chance to win.

    Some people are more comfortable with vets then young Qbs.

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  • bronx_2003
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    Originally posted by Jay3 View Post
    Rex looked good in practice. :thumb:

    There's such thing as a quarterback who seems to be able to make all the reads and all the throws, but just is not big enough for the moment. It takes that "something else" to step onto the stage and consistently make dominant, game-changing plays.

    Sometimes, coaches should listen to their hearts -- Rex Grossman is just not that player. Never will be.
    LOL, and how long have these 2 QB's had to show what they can produce on the big stage.

    I bet both Orton and Grossman are starting somewhere next season LOL, madness.........................

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