Brady VS Manning

[RealBronco]

The pats did not make the playoffs the year Brady was out and this logic your using is SERIOUSLY flawed ...you need to read my post

i skimmed it.

11-5 is actually VERY GOOD. not sure where you get the idea it isn't. also apparently i'm wrong on that. i forgot they barely missed out. but even 12-4 teams miss the playoffs sometimes.

it's not flawed logic. The Pats can operate fine without Tom Brady. The Colts cannot operate fine without Peyton Manning. This has already been proven by both teams. I'm not sure why this is difficult.

the point is: Manning>Brady. Period.

[#24 Next Champ]

i skimmed it.

11-5 is actually VERY GOOD. not sure where you get the idea it isn't. also apparently i'm wrong on that. i forgot they barely missed out. but even 12-4 teams miss the playoffs sometimes.

it's not flawed logic. The Pats can operate fine without Tom Brady. The Colts cannot operate fine without Peyton Manning. This has already been proven by both teams. I'm not sure why this is difficult.

the point is: Manning>Brady. Period.

All that proves ...is that the Colts failed to be any type of prepared for Manning being hurt ...while Belicheck does a better job...If Painter started for the Pats that year, do you think they'd have that same 11-5 record?

Now u see my point?

[jetrazor74]

All that proves ...is that the Colts failed to be any type of prepared for Manning being hurt ...while Belicheck does a better job...If Painter started for the Pats that year, do you think they'd have that same 11-5 record?

Now u see my point?

I read your whole original post. It didn't make much sense in regards to Brady or Manning.

What you did do was prove that Belichik is better than Caldwell.

While it may never truly be answered who is the better player, it's painfully obvious that Manning is much more valuable to the Colts than Brady ever will be to the Patriots. Even you have to admit that.

[AC1]

This is really simple:

If you put Brady on some other team he wouldn't do as well.

If you put Manning on ANY team that team is instantly better.

I've gone back and forth on the Manning/Brady debate, but in the last couple of years Manning has left Brady behind IMO and this year really clinches it beyond little doubt. Manning is the best QB of his generation.

Think about Belichick and Manning playing Dungy and Brady. Don't think the latter group wins a game in that rivalry.

Of course, this is all speculative and there is no right and wrong answer. It's fun to speculate nonetheless.

[aberdien]

All that proves ...is that the Colts failed to be any type of prepared for Manning being hurt ...while Belicheck does a better job...If Painter started for the Pats that year, do you think they'd have that same 11-5 record?

Now u see my point?

Manning has ALWAYS worked with inferior coaching (Tony Dungy meh, Tom Moore is good), inferior defense, and a mostly inferior team. Brady kicks ass, but Manning kicks ass with less.

When I think of the 2000s Indianapolis Colts I think of Peyton Manning. When I think of the 2000s New England Patriots, I think of Bill Belichick. Colts need Manning; Pats don't need Brady. That doesn't necessarily make one a better QB, but i'm still voting Manning.

[#24 Next Champ]

I read your whole original post. It didn't make much sense in regards to Brady or Manning.

What you did do was prove that Belichik is better than Caldwell.

While it may never truly be answered who is the better player, it's painfully obvious that Manning is much more valuable to the Colts than Brady ever will be to the Patriots. Even you have to admit that.

Yes that's true but in a sense what is valuable? I'll guarentee you the pats never win those sb's without Brady and couldn't win one without him in the next few years ...

But yes the Colts RELY more on Manning than the Pats do Brady but that doesn't make him a better qb ...

[#24 Next Champ]

Manning has ALWAYS worked with inferior coaching (Tony Dungy meh, Tom Moore is good), inferior defense, and a mostly inferior team. Brady kicks ass, but Manning kicks ass with less.

When I think of the 2000s Indianapolis Colts I think of Peyton Manning. When I think of the 2000s New England Patriots, I think of Bill Belichick. Colts need Manning; Pats don't need Brady. That doesn't necessarily make one a better QB, but i'm still voting Manning.

I think people fail to truly realize the concept of the backups n preparation being so impacting here ...if the Colts had a capable backup, they wouldn't be 0-6 n on the flipside if the Pats had Curtis Painter starting this year ...they'd be pretty bad

[AC1]

I think people fail to truly realize the concept of the backups n preparation being so impacting here ...if the Colts had a capable backup, they wouldn't be 0-6 n on the flipside if the Pats had Curtis Painter starting this year ...they'd be pretty bad

And I think you're overvaluing Matt Cassel and undervaluing what the likes of Wilfork, Welker etc. brought to that team. The Patriots had a top-10 defense and top-10 running game that year and the likes of Moss and Welker.

For the first two-thirds of the season, Cassel was just managing the game and trying not to lose it. Cassel was viewed no differently than Painter is now at the time. NE fans were clamoring for Chris Simms to be signed!

The point isn't that the Patriots were better prepared for losing Brady than the Colts were with Manning. It's that they were better able to cope with the loss of their franchise QB, because they had a lot of other parts on the team. The Colts don't. If Manning was able to take this supporting cast and go toe-to-toe with the much superior supporting cast that Brady had, it says a lot for Manning.

Switch them around and Manning wins every single SB Brady won (and it's probably not even close) and likely gets that 19-0 season. Brady on the other hand, might not do as much as Manning did with the Colts.

I think Brady is hands-down better than everyone else not named Manning though.

[GridironChamp]

Again, everyone is greatly overlooking a few things.

It's not Brady's fault that NE doesnt put EVERY SINGLE EGG in ONE
basket like Indy did/does. That's not his fault, that DOES NOT make
Manning better, more valuable yes, better no.

Manning has always had better weapons around his offense yet
has done less than Brady with it, IMO at least.

And Bruschi brought an interesting point earlier today, he said
Brady really cared about helping Cassel out and understand the
system and helping him improve whereas it's painfully obvious
Manning could give two ***** about Painter.

[xX-Bronco-Xx]

Is this like the who is better Joe Montana or John Elway back in the day?

As far as the original topic goes I pick Tom Brady because he doesn't play for Indianapolis nor does he have a big potato head.

You can call me biased idc.. (even though it's true )

[johnlimburg]

brady is, imo, the better of the 2 qbs in their careers

Hay remember when you told me it was so stupid when I said Peyton Manning was the Indianapolis Colts and without him they are nothing

[jcdavey]

Hay remember when you told me it was so stupid when I said Peyton Manning was the Indianapolis Colts and without him they are nothing

no, i don't , find that post for me

it's apparent though that they had no backup plan

also if you watched the bengals colts game you see how the wr throws the ball away on purpose at the end of the game

that team is clearly losing games on purpose (not that saints game though, that was just new orleans committing a hate crime lol)

[getlynched47]

I stand by my opinion that Peyton Manning is the best quarterback in the history of the NFL. I don't think I've ever seen/will ever see a cerebral QB that has the type of throw velocity, accuracy, and pocket presence that Peyton Manning has. He's the best pure pocket passer ever.

(Don't flame me because I went against Elway. He's my #2)

[johnlimburg]

no, i don't , find that post for me

it's apparent though that they had no backup plan

also if you watched the bengals colts game you see how the wr throws the ball away on purpose at the end of the game

that team is clearly losing games on purpose (not that saints game though, that was just new orleans committing a hate crime lol)

Yes they have put all of their eggs into the basket and had no backup. I don't think they are tanking. They just flat out suck. They are not losing on purpose.

Here is the posts:

I said:

Example 1: Peyton Manning. He does it every year all by himself. Worst team then the Chargers. If Rivers name gets thrown around his he had to lead that Chargers team to the playoffs.

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showpost.php?p=3818744&postcount=58

You said:

possibly the stupidest thing you've ever said

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showpost.php?p=3818746&postcount=59

You said:

i hate to have to channel the miz on you but


by himself?

really?

reallly?

really?






really??

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showpost.php?p=3818752&postcount=61

I said:

So you are saying what I said is stupid because Manning doesn't do it by himself in Indy. Well if you ask me and a hell of a lot of other people they will say that team without Manning is a 4 win team. Yes I am assuming that but they are a bad football team and without Manning they are not a regular playoff team year in year out. I still think a few other not elite QB's could have racked up close to 9 wins in San Diego.

I would hardly call that stupid.

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showpost.php?p=3818753&postcount=62

You said:

i would call it stupid...

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showpost.php?p=3818754&postcount=63

I said:

No offense buddy but you do not explain yourself. It is not stupid. It is the truth. It is the way a lot of people feel. I suppose they are all stupid. Rivers couldn't lead a good team to the playoffs but I said he gets a past because he is elite. However in order for him to be able to be considered with the top guys like Manning he should lead his team there. A team which is much better than the Colts.

And good work on explaining yourself. Great points. Throwing out the stupid tag when you can't explain why it is stupid. Good work

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showpost.php?p=3818755&postcount=64

HOW FUNNY IS THAT. STILL THINK IT IS STUPID

[jcdavey]

well you were stupid

no one player does it all by himself

that's very stupid to say