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  • broncolee
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    I side with Goodell on this.

    I don't care if the players got word of the warning to stop or not.

    The language that was used communicated an intent to injure. It doesn't matter if it was bravado or not, that's the intent that was communicated. You don't get to use the language, put the money in the pot, and then say you weren't serious about what you said.

    If the players weren't trying to injure anyone then they shouldn't have allowed the language to be used.

    I heard Mike Florio on the radio the other day and he said that he believes players were rewarded for legal hits that knocked opponents out for a play or the rest of the game. He seemed to think that was OK. He sided with the players even though he basically admitted that he thinks they were rewarded for injuring opponents. It doesn't matter if the hit was legal or illegal, it's wrong to intentionally injure an opponent and just as wrong to reward a player for it.

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  • dizzolve
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    I started a post the day it came out to this effect and got chewed out by the outspoken.

    One big thing to consider when it comes to lengthy suspensions for players vs coaches. Is the window of opportunity a player has to play is much much smaller than the window of opportunity to coach.

    A coach can coach for 40 years and make most of his money near the end of his career where a player might play for 5-10 years generally. Let's say Sean Payton coaches in the league for 30 years. And lets say Vilma is a player for 10. Those seem to be nice long careers for coaches and players but if you look at the relative percentage of such a suspension, Payton is banned for 3% and Vilma for 10% of his career. Maybe this was taken into account but I doubt it.

    Granted another factor in this is the era we live in. This era is an adjustment period where the NFL has to cover it's ass when it comes to player safety. This is no way to rationalize taking the gloves off though.

    It's possible there is some evidence to support Goodell's course of action however I'm inclined to think it's just another incident where Goodell is showing his [egotistical, self absorbed, stamp his name in bold letters for his legacy] tantrum. I don't like what he's done to the league in general but it might not be all his fault. It could be that these things have just happened on his watch.

    There had better be just cause for such a heavy hand.

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  • BroncoFanNC
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    Vilma's defense is that the whistleblower was a former disgruntled employee (there's a PFT article on it) so everything the disgruntled assistant said is an alleged lie.

    Too bad we have all the Greg Williams audio, and Payton and Loomis admitting to it. Not even mentioning any other witnesses they have.

    So he is suing for defamation, and his defense is defamation of another person. Great job Vilma.

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  • HUMCALC
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    Heck, even the NFLPA is trying to distance themselves from Vilma

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  • fallforward3y+
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    Totally agree with what was done...being a Falcons fan it may seem easy for me to say, but I'd say the same if it was my own team..and maybe find a new team to support. This is the kind of crap we do NOT need to have, especially when Goodell is on this war path trying to make the league almost flag football. People who agree with his agenda want to make fans believe that the game really can not be played as a physical game without putting players in serious jeopardy..and its not true...so don't allow things to happen that could make it true

    SCREW THE HELL out of soft punishment on these guys, I'm sick of it..make them think twice before doing this nonsensical crap...make an example out of them like the Romans did out of Christ,lol...stop giving their wrists light slaps...every player who participated in this should be out for a season, maybe even two...make it absolutely screw their careers up, make everybody think twice before doing it

    Heck, they deserve it just for being so stupid and getting caught

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  • HUMCALC
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    Originally posted by Peyton&Eli_fan View Post
    Yes, I'm aware of the ledger. Clearly there was an illegal pay for play scheme going on that shouldn't have been and the coaches were warned to knock it off and they didn't. I agree with the teams' punishment. I just don't know that there's as much evidence that there was an actual "bounty" program in place and that players were targeting players for injury. At least not outside that championship game. Every time they release new evidence, it seems to be additional evidence against Greg Williams (who I don't think should be allowed back in), but relatively vague toward these players.

    Considering an NFL player's career is only a few years - 10 if lucky, but a coach can be in the league for 30 years or more, it's more of a punishment on Vilma than Payton, and I'm not sure that is fair.

    I realize I'm kind of alone on this. I'm fighting this battle on several different message boards and losing every one
    That should tell you that you're on the wrong side

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  • Peyton&Eli_fan
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    Originally posted by HUMCALC View Post
    They have him on videotape, offering either $1000 or $10,000 (I forget which) to anybody who can knock Favre out of the NFC Championship game. There's also a ledger & other Defensive players & coaches acknowledged it
    Yes, I'm aware of the ledger. Clearly there was an illegal pay for play scheme going on that shouldn't have been and the coaches were warned to knock it off and they didn't. I agree with the teams' punishment. I just don't know that there's as much evidence that there was an actual "bounty" program in place and that players were targeting players for injury. At least not outside that championship game. Every time they release new evidence, it seems to be additional evidence against Greg Williams (who I don't think should be allowed back in), but relatively vague toward these players.

    Considering an NFL player's career is only a few years - 10 if lucky, but a coach can be in the league for 30 years or more, it's more of a punishment on Vilma than Payton, and I'm not sure that is fair.

    I realize I'm kind of alone on this. I'm fighting this battle on several different message boards and losing every one

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  • Peyton&Eli_fan
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    Originally posted by HUMCALC View Post
    They have him on videotape, offering either $1000 or $10,000 (I forget which) to anybody who can knock Favre out of the NFC Championship game. There's also a ledger & other Defensive players & coaches acknowledged it
    No it wasn't on tape. It was reported by PFT that Williams and Orstein told the league about Vilma's $10,000. But, Orstein strongly denies Florio's report. I'm not saying I think it didn't happen, but I doubt there's real proof of it and the witnesses are all in a "he said, she said" type of atmosphere right now.

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  • BroncoFanNC
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    Originally posted by Peyton&Eli_fan View Post
    Ok, someone fill me in. What's the overwhelming evidence against Vilma? I haven't seen anything other than heresy that he offered money in the championship game.

    Just to be clear - I think the punishment against the coaches and team was fair. I just don't see enough there to indicate that these 4 or 5 players should be singled out.
    2 witnesses say he offered $10k to knock out Brett Favre. He was also in a leadership position.

    Leaders in a lot of jobs are held to a higher standard.

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  • HUMCALC
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    They have him on videotape, offering either $1000 or $10,000 (I forget which) to anybody who can knock Favre out of the NFC Championship game. There's also a ledger & other Defensive players & coaches acknowledged it

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  • Peyton&Eli_fan
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    Ok, someone fill me in. What's the overwhelming evidence against Vilma? I haven't seen anything other than heresy that he offered money in the championship game.

    Just to be clear - I think the punishment against the coaches and team was fair. I just don't see enough there to indicate that these 4 or 5 players should be singled out.

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  • HUMCALC
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    Vilma should also have been banned from the NFL. The evidence against him was overwhelming. All of the management was warned repeatedly, and half the D confirmed that they were paid to hurt people.

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  • InsaneBlaze23
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    Originally posted by HavoK471 View Post
    Yeah but comparing the bounty scandal to the search for WMDs in Iraq is unnecessary
    I'm behind. I didn't know he said that, I thought you was referring to his contract.

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  • HavoK471
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    Originally posted by InsaneBlaze23 View Post
    At the end of the day it's all about money. Brees just wants some more money.
    Yeah but comparing the bounty scandal to the search for WMDs in Iraq is unnecessary

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  • InsaneBlaze23
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    Originally posted by HavoK471 View Post
    The way Brees is handling this whole situation has made me lose a lot of respect for him
    At the end of the day it's all about money. Brees just wants some more money.

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