Who is your ROTY so far ?

[beastlyskronk]

The colts went young, and that's even more impressive. Luck led an inexperienced team to the playoffs. The redskins had a lot of vet talent as well.

It's not as impressive now, recently there have been so many young players come into the league and immediately be good. And the Redskins don't have much more than the Colts do in terms of veteran talent.

[ruksak]

While we are at it I guess we should go ahead and award Luck the MVP right? Because the only thing that matters is worst team in the league to 11-5 right?

We'll just ignore Manning, Brady, Rodgers, and AP who all had far better production in leading their teams to the playoffs right?

Because the only stat that matters is worst to 11-5. Either agree with that statement ( which I'm being sarcastic about) or you guys are contradicting yourselves.

If he deserves ROTY for that reason then he certainly deserves league MVP for that reason.

Manning only led his team to +5 win differential and Brady and Rodgers actually had a negative differential. Guess they don't deserve MVP.

meh....you're getting a bit carried away with that line.

Luck's W/L record is important in this equation, but only part of the equation.

Luck also shattered several rookie QB records, including leading his team on 7 game winning drives (most in NFL 2012 and most all time for a rookie QB).

As well, his HC was in a hospital bed for most of the year while his OC was splitting his attention in an undesirable, yet absolutely necessary manner.

So, in closing, Luck's production in 2012 went well beyond anything reflected via paper stats. His issue was far more dynamic than W/L comparisons from 2011 to 2012.

[DenverBlood]

meh....you're getting a bit carried away with that line.

Luck's W/L record is important in this equation, but only part of the equation.

Luck also shattered several rookie QB records, including leading his team on 7 game winning drives (most in NFL 2012 and most all time for a rookie QB).

As well, his HC was in a hospital bed for most of the year while his OC was splitting his attention in an undesirable, yet absolutely necessary manner.

So, in closing, Luck's production in 2012 went well beyond anything reflected via paper stats. His issue was far more dynamic than W/L comparisons from 2011 to 2012.

That's the best argument I've heard yet but still doesn't change the fact that Wilson and RG3 tied or broke way more offensive records and were also an extreme part in their teams making the playoffs.

[ruksak]

That's the best argument I've heard yet but still doesn't change the fact that Wilson and RG3 tied or broke way more offensive records and were also an extreme part in their teams making the playoffs.

yep yep....as a fan of the game, a purist...... this is a debate I love to have because we get to watch these young cats ball-out for more than a decade yet to come.

I'm not aware of what records Griffin/Wilson ran away with? I plead ignorance.

[#87Birdman]

yep yep....as a fan of the game, a purist...... this is a debate I love to have because we get to watch these young cats ball-out for more than a decade yet to come.

I'm not aware of what records Griffin/Wilson ran away with? I plead ignorance.

The one I know of is the QB rating as they both broke it going over 100.0 But that is the only one I can think of currently. I think Wilson broke the passing TD also but not sure on that one.

[skins_fan82]

its crazy...because you could make a solid argument for either of them. Though I personally feel it should be between Wilson and RG3, all 3 of them have a good chance at winning it.

Luck - broke the all-time rookie record for passing touchdowns. most 300+ yard games for a rookie, and several other record i can't think of off the top of my head. Of the 3 rooks, Luck was asked to do the most since he didn't have a solid running game like Wilson or Griffin.

Wilson - though Russell probably walked into the best situation as Seattle's defense and running game were already established, he played lights out in the second half of the season, and if it weren't for the 49ers being so damn good, seattle probably would've won the division. He also finished the season with the 4th highest qb rating. Tied the nfl rookie record for most touchdowns.

RG3 - broke the nfl rookie qb rushing record, broke the all-time NFL rookie record for qb rating in a season, leads Luck and Wilson in every QB statistic except for total yards passing (Luck), and led the Redskins to their first division title since Bill Clinton was president. The Redskins were 3-6 at the Bye. Then the team voted Robert Griffin to be a team captain, and they are 7-0 since then.

[DenverBlood]

its crazy...because you could make a solid argument for either of them. Though I personally feel it should be between Wilson and RG3, all 3 of them have a good chance at winning it.

Luck - broke the all-time rookie record for passing touchdowns. most 300+ yard games for a rookie, and several other record i can't think of off the top of my head. Of the 3 rooks, Luck was asked to do the most since he didn't have a solid running game like Wilson or Griffin.

Wilson - though Russell probably walked into the best situation as Seattle's defense and running game were already established, he played lights out in the second half of the season, and if it weren't for the 49ers being so damn good, seattle probably would've won the division. He also finished the season with the 4th highest qb rating. Tied the nfl rookie record for most touchdowns.

RG3 - broke the nfl rookie qb rushing record, broke the all-time NFL rookie record for qb rating in a season, leads Luck and Wilson in every QB statistic except for total yards passing (Luck), and led the Redskins to their first division title since Bill Clinton was president. The Redskins were 3-6 at the Bye. Then the team voted Robert Griffin to be a team captain, and they are 7-0 since then.

Luck did not break the rookie record for passing touchdowns. Wilson tied Mannings record.

[DenverBlood]

yep yep....as a fan of the game, a purist...... this is a debate I love to have because we get to watch these young cats ball-out for more than a decade yet to come.

I'm not aware of what records Griffin/Wilson ran away with? I plead ignorance.

The one I know of is the QB rating as they both broke it going over 100.0 But that is the only one I can think of currently. I think Wilson broke the passing TD also but not sure on that one.

Wilson tied Manning's record for passing TD's by a rookie which by default gives him the most combined TD's in a single season by a rookie as Manning had 0 rushing TD's.

Both had Ratings over 100. RG3's rating of 102.4 set the rookie record.

RG3 broke Cam Newton's record for rushing yards by a rookie QB. Also set the record most most yards per pass attempt in a single game with 12.3 against the Saints. (Yes I'm aware the Saints d was one of the worst ever)

RG3 also set the record for lowest % of passes intercepted. Make excuses as you will for safe playcalling but he still had the highest YPA of the three.

Wilson really only has the 1 but still point is Luck isn't the only one who broke records.

[#87Birdman]

Wilson tied Manning's record for passing TD's by a rookie which by default gives him the most combined TD's in a single season by a rookie as Manning had 0 rushing TD's.

Both had Ratings over 100. RG3's rating of 102.4 set the rookie record.

RG3 broke Cam Newton's record for rushing yards by a rookie QB. Also set the record most most yards per pass attempt in a single game with 12.3 against the Saints. (Yes I'm aware the Saints d was one of the worst ever)

RG3 also set the record for lowest % of passes intercepted. Make excuses as you will for safe playcalling but he still had the highest YPA of the three.

Wilson really only has the 1 but still point is Luck isn't the only one who broke records.

Doesn't Cam hold most combined TD's. I thought he broke that last year he just didn't have the passing TD's to knock off Mannings record.

[BroncoFanNC]

its crazy...because you could make a solid argument for either of them. Though I personally feel it should be between Wilson and RG3, all 3 of them have a good chance at winning it.

Luck - broke the all-time rookie record for passing touchdowns. most 300+ yard games for a rookie, and several other record i can't think of off the top of my head. Of the 3 rooks, Luck was asked to do the most since he didn't have a solid running game like Wilson or Griffin.

Wilson - though Russell probably walked into the best situation as Seattle's defense and running game were already established, he played lights out in the second half of the season, and if it weren't for the 49ers being so damn good, seattle probably would've won the division. He also finished the season with the 4th highest qb rating. Tied the nfl rookie record for most touchdowns.

RG3 - broke the nfl rookie qb rushing record, broke the all-time NFL rookie record for qb rating in a season, leads Luck and Wilson in every QB statistic except for total yards passing (Luck), and led the Redskins to their first division title since Bill Clinton was president. The Redskins were 3-6 at the Bye. Then the team voted Robert Griffin to be a team captain, and they are 7-0 since then.

Except Cousins had to score a TD plus 2 point conversion and did, then the next week had a 70% completion 300+ 2 TD game.

Cousins played a pivitol roll to keep them in the playoff hunt. Which is no fault to RG3 but lets not overlook the job Mike and Kyle are doing putting these players in great situations.

The Colts are still an overall bad team. They needed all those game winning drives against the worst teams in the league. (They played the Jags x2, Titans x2, Miami, and Chiefs). Luck had almost 700 attempts ( passing and rushing), they relied heavily on him and Wayne making plays.

It just feels like without Luck, that team has next to no hope winning many games due to the overall talent level and coaching.

I don't know if that makes him rookie of the year, but it at least makes him most valuable rookie in terms to his team having success.

I don't think you can go wrong with either 3 players. They are all great young players.

[skins_fan82]

I don't think you can go wrong with either 3 players. They are all great young players.

No arguments there man.

[DenverBlood]

Doesn't Cam hold most combined TD's. I thought he broke that last year he just didn't have the passing TD's to knock off Mannings record.

You know what I think you're right. I completely forgot Cam had like 31 just because his passing TD's were so much lower. But his 14 rushing TD's were unreal. So I guess I can only credit Wilson with a tied record.

But to be fair Indy said Luck smashed several QB rookie records. I'm not aware of any other than yards. Or maybe if you credit his 4th quarter wins. Though I'd argue that's a team stat not an individual stat. But I guess Qb's do get credited with that alot.

[DenverBlood]

Except Cousins had to score a TD plus 2 point conversion and did, then the next week had a 70% completion 300+ 2 TD game.

Cousins played a pivitol roll to keep them in the playoff hunt. Which is no fault to RG3 but lets not overlook the job Mike and Kyle are doing putting these players in great situations.

The Colts are still an overall bad team. They needed all those game winning drives against the worst teams in the league. (They played the Jags x2, Titans x2, Miami, and Chiefs). Luck had almost 700 attempts ( passing and rushing), they relied heavily on him and Wayne making plays.

It just feels like without Luck, that team has next to no hope winning many games due to the overall talent level and coaching.

I don't know if that makes him rookie of the year, but it at least makes him most valuable rookie in terms to his team having success.

I don't think you can go wrong with either 3 players. They are all great young players.

I could argue this against Luck. People want to know how Luck took the Colts from 2-14 to 11-5?

By playing one of the easiest schedules in the NFL. Luck played the 31st toughest schedule compared to Washingtons 21st and Seattle's 11th. Luck beat 3 teams out of 11 with a winning record.

Yes I realize the same could be said about us. But Mannings stats were way better and still a tougher schedule.

So when does SOS come into play when people argue how Luck amazingly brought a 2-14 team to an 11-5 record?

[skins_fan82]

I guess I realize why they wouldn't list anything negative, but its funny that the summary for each player on the Rookie of the Year voting website doesn't list the turnovers, good thing for Luck LOL.

But then again most people that are voting already know who they're gonna select when going to the website.

Is ROTY 100% fan voting? or do fans votes just make up a percentage?

[DenverBlood]

I guess I realize why they wouldn't list anything negative, but its funny that the summary for each player on the Rookie of the Year voting website doesn't list the turnovers, good thing for Luck LOL.

But then again most people that are voting already know who they're gonna select when going to the website.

Is ROTY 100% fan voting? or do fans votes just make up a percentage?

Not positive but I thought fan voting was 0% of the voting. It's not the Pro bowl.

I was under the impression that MVP and ROTY and defensive player of the year and the such are awarded by the media.