Best Coach(s) to never win SB

[samparnell]

The 1969 NFL Championship game was, if memory serves, the first to be called the Super Bowl. After that, obviously, the first two NFLCGs were subsequently referred to as Super Bowls I & II.

Wrong. In 1969 the merger had yet to take place. The games were called the Super Bowl from the first one between the Packers and the Chiefs in January of 1967. This was when there were two pro football leagues.

[80stheman]

Your memory goes back to when you were three years old?

I was a very bright child

Don't know what happened after that

[Charlie Brown]

If I thought you knew the difference between a down block and a reach, I'd be glad to talk football with you, but ... CLVI, professor.

btw I saw no footnotes or bibliography.

Enjoy my ignore. This is football, not an academic paper.

[samparnell]

If I thought you knew the difference between a down block and a reach, I'd be glad to talk football with you, but ... CLVI, professor.

btw I saw no footnotes or bibliography.

[Charlie Brown]

Oh really? When was Super Bowl I? Were you alive then?

Oh, that's right, you weren't. I was, and it was the Super Bowl.

You really like that wikipedia, don't you?

I was sixteen and I watched it on television. You, on the other hand ... :doh:

Oh, ok, since you know all about NFL History. I'm sorry, I was under the belief that they were called the AFL-NFL World Championship Games up untill the third one in 1969 - which was called the Super Bowl. Also, it is not wikipedia. it is my head i get this from. I know things. But of course you are of the belief that nobody can possibly KNOW anything and instead has to rely on wikipedia. I gotcha. There is no such thing as knowledge - there i no possible way that people can know things.

I am studying to be a professor. Yea, it isn't NFL history but it is history. Yea, I know, you doubt it. Because the only way anybody can know anything is if they got it from wikipedia.

Maybe, just maybe, I know these things. Don't you think that is a distinct possibility?

[samparnell]

The 1969 NFL Championship game was, if memory serves, the first to be called the Super Bowl. After that, obviously, the first two NFLCGs were subsequently referred to as Super Bowls I & II.

Your memory goes back to when you were three years old?

[80stheman]

The First "Super Bowl" was in 1969. The previous games (including the 1966 game) were known as the AFL-NFL World Championship Game.

The 1969 NFL Championship game was, if memory serves, the first to be called the Super Bowl. After that, obviously, the first two NFLCGs were subsequently referred to as Super Bowls I & II.

[samparnell]

The First "Super Bowl" was in 1969. The previous games (including the 1966 game) were known as the AFL-NFL World Championship Game.

Oh really? When was Super Bowl I? Were you alive then?

Oh, that's right, you weren't. I was, and it was the Super Bowl.

You really like that wikipedia, don't you?

I was sixteen and I watched it on television. You, on the other hand ... :doh:

[Charlie Brown]

They all coached during the Super Bowl era. You may want to cross reference the dates I provided with the years of the Super Bowl which began with the 1966 season. If you feel so inclined, fine. If not, also fine. All I did was provide a list. I didn't diminish any of the coaches listed, and I don't need lectures on pro football history from you.

The Super Bowl was the result of a competing league gaining parity with the NFL. From 1966 until the merger the Super Bowl was not the NFL Championship. It was a game between the American Football League Champion and the National Football League Champion. An Indy Car race might seem the equivalent of a Formula One race because they are both open wheeled, but they are not. The score between the two leagues prior to the merger was split with each winning two Super Bowls.

The All-America Football Conference competed with the NFL from 1946-49 and the Cleveland Browns won all four AAFC Championships. However, we'll never know if the Browns would have defeated the Bears, Cardinals or Eagles because they didn't play a postseason game between the champions of both leagues. In view of the fact the Browns won the NFL Championship in 1950, after the NFL/AAFC merger, I'm inclined to think they would.

Paul Brown coached ten years into the Super Bowl Era, so he had ten shots at it. Blanton Collier had five shots at it. Halas had only two shots at it, but I included him because there has been discussion of whether his 1963 NFL Champion Bears would have defeated Sid Gillman's 1963 AFL Champion Chargers. Sticking with that same idea, would Blanton Collier's 1964 NFL Champion Browns have defeated Lou Saban's 1964 AFL Champion Bills? We'll never know because there was no Super Bowl then.

I don't diminish football coaches. In fact, you won't find anyone on this message board who repects or studies them more than I do. You seem inclined to criticize lists. Care to provide one of your own for a reciprocal critique? If you're not up to it, I'll understand.

The First "Super Bowl" was in 1969. The previous games (including the 1966 game) were known as the AFL-NFL World Championship Game.

Your long answer hints at two things. The first thing is that you know NFL History. Yet, at the same time you neglect to understand it. The NFL had its equivalent of the "Super Bowl" by having a title game. The winner was the NFL Champion. The Champion of the NFL. Paul Brown, Blanton Collier, and George Halas all were NFL Champions at one point or another. They won the NFL Title Game.

Pre-Merger it was two different leagues playing each other. But, post-merger it became just a title game. Not AFL vs. NFL because several teams made the jump between conferences including the Colts, Steelers, and Browns (and much later the Seattle Seahawks). Now it is just a glorified championship game. Which is what those coaches that you claim were never Champions. They won the equivalent of the Super Bowl in their time period. Sure, some of them coached into what we know as the "Super Bowl era". But, not really. Paul Brown, for instance, stopped coaching in 1962. He then resumed coaching in 1968 and retired from coaching in 1975.

From 68-75 he wasn't the Browns coach. He was the coach of a brand new team that started from scratch called the Bengals.

If you want the original intent of the "Super Bowl" where it is two differen leagues (which you seem to be arguing) then there is no Super Bowl anymore. The modern-day equivalent of the original purpose of the Super Bowl would be having an NFL team play against an AFL team (Arena League). That's not going to happen because of the vast talent difference.

[BroncosDivision]

John Fox

[samparnell]

They won the equivalent of the Super Bowl at the time. So, they do not count.

Diminishing a coach for not winning the Super Bowl when they coached before the Super Bowl existed is like being angry at Henry Ford for not inventing a Nuclear Fusion Car.

They all coached during the Super Bowl era. You may want to cross reference the dates I provided with the years of the Super Bowl which began with the 1966 season. If you feel so inclined, fine. If not, also fine.

All I did was provide a list. I didn't diminish any of the coaches listed, and I don't need lectures on pro football history from you.

The Super Bowl was the result of a competing league gaining parity with the NFL. From 1966 until the merger the Super Bowl was not the NFL Championship. It was a game between the American Football League Champion and the National Football League Champion. An Indy Car race might seem the equivalent of a Formula One race because they are both open wheeled, but they are not. The score between the two leagues prior to the merger was split with each winning two Super Bowls.

The All-America Football Conference competed with the NFL from 1946-49 and the Cleveland Browns won all four AAFC Championships. However, we'll never know if the Browns would have defeated the Bears, Cardinals or Eagles because they didn't play a postseason game between the champions of both leagues. In view of the fact the Browns won the NFL Championship in 1950, after the NFL/AAFC merger, I'm inclined to think they would.

Paul Brown coached ten years into the Super Bowl Era, so he had ten shots at it. Blanton Collier had five shots at it. Halas had only two shots at it, but I included him because there has been discussion of whether his 1963 NFL Champion Bears would have defeated Sid Gillman's 1963 AFL Champion Chargers. Sticking with that same idea, would Blanton Collier's 1964 NFL Champion Browns have defeated Lou Saban's 1964 AFL Champion Bills? We'll never know because there was no Super Bowl then.

I don't diminish football coaches. In fact, you won't find anyone on this message board who repects or studies them more than I do. You seem inclined to criticize lists. Care to provide one of your own for a reciprocal critique? If you're not up to it, I'll understand.

[Charlie Brown]

Blanton Collier 1963-70, Cleveland Browns, winning % .691

George Halas 1920-67, Chicago Bears, winning % .682

Paul Brown 1946-75, Cleveland Browns & Cincinnati Bengals, winning % .672

They won the equivalent of the Super Bowl at the time. So, they do not count.

Diminishing a coach for not winning the Super Bowl when they coached before the Super Bowl existed is like being angry at Henry Ford for not inventing a Nuclear Fusion Car.

[Sophia23]

Andy Reid - The Eagles have gone to the NFC championship is it 4 times under him, but never won a Superbowl. Maybe I'm wrong, but I do not know of any other teams that he has coached with prior to Eagles that he won one with either.

.. nevermind... I guess he won one as an offensive coordinator...

[samparnell]

George Allen 1966-77, LA Rams & Washington Redskins, winning % .712

Blanton Collier 1963-70, Cleveland Browns, winning % .691

George Halas 1920-67, Chicago Bears, winning % .682

Paul Brown 1946-75, Cleveland Browns & Cincinnati Bengals, winning % .672

Red Miller 1977-80, Denver Broncos, winning % .645

Mike Martz 2000-04, St. Louis Rams, winning % .624

Bud Grant 1967-85, Minnesota Vikings, winning % .622

Marty Schottenheimer 1984-2006, Cleveland Browns, Kansas City Chiefs, Washington Redskins, San Diego Chargers, winning % .613

All others are under .600

[martz11]

Josh McDaniels....




Ok in all seriousness I'd go with Marty ball.