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  • #46
    Really agree with Sync's writeup.

    Some concise "logic".

    Broncos were 8-8 last year. Without Peyton.
    Vikes were 3-13 last year. WITH PETERSON.

    How many do the Vikes win last year without him? Quite possibly NONE.

    The Broncos are otherwise an excellent team.
    The Vikes otherwise a horrible one.

    I think, even despite him being an RB in a passing league, and considering how much Peyton has always done for his teams, Peterson is responsible for more wins on a horrible, horrible team, than Peyton is on a very, very good one...

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    • #47
      Originally posted by ERoyal248 View Post
      Prior to the SF game, Den was only giving up 1.3 less PPG. And NE's D has been playing much better lately, especially with getting Talib.

      And by your logic, NE won 11 games with Matt Cassel, what's the point?
      It's still 13 spots higher. And Denver's YPG, sack total, nearly everything is better.

      Won with him 4 years ago, with a much more experienced and complete team(Bruschi, Harrison, Vrabel) & ranked top 10 in defense

      Nevertheless, AP should be MVP

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      • #48
        Originally posted by JohnShaft View Post
        Really agree with Sync's writeup.

        Some concise "logic".

        Broncos were 8-8 last year. Without Peyton.
        Vikes were 3-13 last year. WITH PETERSON.

        How many do the Vikes win last year without him? Quite possibly NONE.

        The Broncos are otherwise an excellent team.
        The Vikes otherwise a horrible one.

        I think, even despite him being an RB in a passing league, and considering how much Peyton has always done for his teams, Peterson is responsible for more wins on a horrible, horrible team, than Peyton is on a very, very good one...
        im not quite sure how this proves anything ..... all i got out of it was the vikings can go 3-13 with AD or "potentially" 10-6 with him more than likely 8-8 as they play the packers and houston. so they gained 5 wins over a year and he played both seasons

        broncos didnt have peyton last year and played one of the weakest schedules in the NFL, went 8-8, this year we are 11-3 likely to be 13-3 because we play the browns and chiefs. so we gained 5 wins with peyton as well over what we had without him. and who knows how good this team would be without him. He certainly helps the D immensely by giving them a lead to play with, letting them be aggressive because they know he can keep up if the other team does score, peyton also helps our running game because teams know he can pass with the best of them. our defense was not very good last year for comparison. you could also make the case that he helps STs get the opportunity to return punts/kicks because teams dont want to give him a short field to work with. then obviously hes helped in the development of decker and thomas and made them both into LEGIT NFL WRs and helps the OL by getting rid of the ball so quickly

        id say overall a great QB is more important to a team than a truely great RB having one of the best seasons ever
        Last edited by SBboundBRONCOS; 12-19-2012, 03:03 PM.
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        • #49
          Originally posted by SBboundBRONCOS View Post
          id say overall a great QB is more important to a team than a truely great RB having one of the best seasons ever
          If the gist of the argument is basically: a QB is way more important than a RB then the award is never going to go to a non-QB again, like Deion said.

          You might as well rename it MVQ, Most Valuable Quarterback.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by JohnShaft View Post
            If the gist of the argument is basically: a QB is way more important than a RB then the award is never going to go to a non-QB again, like Deion said.

            You might as well rename it MVQ, Most Valuable Quarterback.
            So be it then.

            Peyton is more valuable. He'll win it. Get over it.

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            • #51
              The Vikings are not a horrible team. They just have a horrible quarterback. Their situation clearly shows the importance of a quarterback, the value of a quarterback. I'm one of the fans supporting Adrian Peterson as MVP, but I can see why the quarterbacks of the top ranked teams are also getting some hype. I think it's easier to make Adrian Peterson the Offensive Player Of The Year. The "MVP" award usually involves a player leading one of the best teams in the league, someone that keeps his team on top, and so he is the most valuable player of the year.

              The OPOY might be someone like Adrian Peterson, who is having a very impressive season on the offensive side of the ball, even though his team might not get into the playoffs. I don't have any problem with Peterson as the MVP, but it looks like there is a "political" aspect surrounding this award. The best teams usually have the best quarterbacks scoring a lot of points and winning a lot of games, so the last five MVPs were quarterbacks.
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              • #52
                If the Vikings get into the playoffs, AP

                If they don't ...probably Peyton Manning or Tom Brady

                My only issue with Manning is that this defense has been better than the offense...while Manning has been great, this defense has been better n that just makes it hard for me to give him MVP ..That's my honest opinion

                I'd probably go AP just cuz he's so amazing and means SO much to his team, but my issue there is the team itself is going nowhere

                Yet again, the definition of MVP becomes cloudy...

                Honestly while balancing both, means most to his team, + team is successful, it's hard not to make a strong case for Brady

                So really any 3 could get it and I'd understand ...we wouldn't be where we are without Manning, that's for sure but our defense is more of a reason why we're successful imo

                AP means the most to his team but his team isn't going anywhere

                And Brady is without a doubt the most important part of his team and they're SB contenders

                I think anyone with a true objective viewpoint would agree that that's all true and any of the 3 could get it and it wouldn't necessarily be "wrong"
                Last edited by #24 Next Champ; 12-19-2012, 04:52 PM.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Broncoholic3233 View Post
                  So be it then.

                  Peyton is more valuable. He'll win it. Get over it.

                  I don't give a damn what Deion thinks.
                  LMAO you are such a snob

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by #24 Next Champ View Post
                    If the Vikings get into the playoffs, AP

                    If they don't ...probably Peyton Manning or Tom Brady

                    My only issue with Manning is that this defense has been better than the offense...while Manning has been great, this defense has been better n that just makes it hard for me to give him MVP ..That's my honest opinion

                    I'd probably go AP just cuz he's so amazing and means SO much to his team, but my issue there is the team itself is going nowhere

                    Yet again, the definition of MVP becomes cloudy...

                    Honestly while balancing both, means most to his team, + team is successful, it's hard not to make a strong case for Brady

                    So really any 3 could get it and I'd understand ...we wouldn't be where we are without Manning, that's for sure but our defense is more of a reason why we're successful imo

                    AP means the most to his team but his team isn't going anywhere

                    And Brady is without a doubt the most important part of his team and they're SB contenders

                    I think anyone with a true objective viewpoint would agree that that's all true and any of the 3 could get it and it wouldn't necessarily be "wrong"
                    very good post

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                    • #55
                      I'd even give AD more consideration if he was scoring TDs and near lts record but he isn't quite a few players are near his td total. He's just putting up a lot of yards

                      to put into perspective TD scored 23 TDs in 98 when he won MVP
                      Last edited by SBboundBRONCOS; 12-21-2012, 06:10 AM.
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                      • #56
                        OK, they ran him to the Playoffs, and he only came up 8 yards short, so crown his ass.

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                        • #57
                          If AP gets it he's more than deserving of the MVP. Was hoping he'd get the record.

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                          • #58
                            I think AP not getting the record will cost him the MVP. We have seen 2000 yard runners before. If not I think you have to have 2 MVPs this year
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                            • #59
                              you can't go wrong with Manning or Peterson. Both had great seasons and lead their teams to the playoffs.
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                              • #60
                                Just split the MVP like Barry Sanders and Brett Favre did back then.

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