League MVP should be...

[JohnShaft]

I know this is unlikely to be popular on a Broncos forum, and the league has a massive QB bias, but for me there's only one answer.

He has ran for 1,812 yards in 14 games, at an astonishing 6.3 YPC. On a team with an awful QB.

He needs 293 rushing yards in his two games to beat Eric Dickerson's all time record.
And Dickerson did it with a season were he averaged a full yard extra per carry (5.6 YPC) than any other season.

That this guy is currently is almost a yard over that (6.3) is insane. Add to that no passing Offense.
And the fact he's coming back from an ACL and MCL tear is not human.

I think it could well be the greatest rushing season in league history.
Even as a a Bears fan I'm pulling for him to break the record.

I give you: Adrian Peterson for League MVP.

[bronx_2003]

Yeah I kinda agree.

The only competition to PM is Peterson. Its hard to go non-QB because of the impact they have on the team but AP carries that team every week with a non-existent passing game.

While PM has obviously improved the Broncos we were a playoff team last year and currently have a top 5 D.

The ONLY problem I have with AP getting it is the Vikings have 2 hard games to finish (At Houston and home to GB) so its probable they miss the playoffs..................

....................... and can the MVP go to someone who didn't get their team to the playoffs ? Probably not IMO

[ERoyal248]

I'd agree if they make the playoffs, i don't think they will, otherwise, no.

AD has been incredible though.

If not, it should go to Peyton, Brady, or even Rodgers.

[broncosking209]

Im as die hard fan as the rest of you guys but I got into a debate with a guy who thought it should be Manning over AP. With that being said I also said that I only believe AP will/should win it if he breaks the record but the fact that guy is doing what hes doing is beyond insane. He tore his acl and didnt miss a single game

[ebsoria]

In the spirit of the spirit of the award it's hard to give it to AP if they don't make the playoffs. The award is supposed to go to the one player, if removed from their team, makes the biggest impact on that team. Hence.. Most Valuable Player...

If the Vikings don't make the payoffs, it's a pretty safe bet they don't make it without AP either. If they do, crown him. Because without him, that team is done.

[theMileHighGuy]

I think Peterson should win it too, whether the Vikings make it into the playoffs or not. It's garbage that AP should be denied the most-valuable player award just because his quarterback sucks. Without him they MIGHT be a 1 or 2 win team. His numbers this year are nothing short of historic.

Manning should win comeback player of the year. He can get MVP next year.

[Broncoholic3233]

No.

Only way he should win it is if the vikes make the playoffs. Otherwise, no.

He's offensive player of the year for sure though.

[RaiderFanSD]

It should be AP.

And as far as the best QB in the league, it's Brady. He's statistically having a better season than Manning.

[// / yardo]

It's a tough one but the argument that swings me away from AP is that his team is not in the playoffs. That's a HUGE knock on an MVP candidate. If your value to your team doesn't also bring wins then there's a problem. And the problem doesn't necessarily fall completely on AP but that his play didn't elevate his team to wins. It's like naming a Super Bowl MVP from the losing team.

His accomplishments are amazing but then so are Manning's. He was arguably in a worse off circumstance with his neck. And compound that with him being cast away from a team that he resurrected from decades of mediocrity. That's something AP didn't have to overcome. Plus, the fact that within one season Manning has*helped make Denver a great team.

A point LT made on a Sunday pre-game show was that no league MVP has ever come from a team not in the playoffs. And because of that AP was not an appropriate candidate. I agree with that statement.

Now if the Vikings win out against Houston and the Packers all on the shoulders of AP riding past Dickerson's record then by all means, AP is well deserving of the MVP and would get it without any contest.

It should be AP.

And as far as the best QB in the league, it's Brady. He's statistically having a better season than Manning.

MVP isn't about who's the best player or quarterback or running back. It's about the player that brings the most value to his team.

[RaiderFanSD]

MVP isn't about who's the best player or quarterback or running back. It's about the player that brings the most value to his team.

And that's AP. The only reason they're even in playoff contention is because of AP. Ponder is a bottom 5 QB.

[Dirty Bird]

If A.P breaks the records it should be his. If he doesn't then I can see it being a toss up.

[theMileHighGuy]

The "wins" argument is inherently flawed. Of course if a quarterback is having an MVP-caliber year he is going to have his team in the playoffs. This is a passing league that benefits the quarterback and reciever. Brady and Manning are surrounded with talent. AP has the Vikings in the playoff hunt entirely on his own. If he breaks Dickerson's record and doesn't get it it will be a sham. LT won MVP with 3 more yards than AP has right now, though AP isn't even close to 28 TDs. LT also had a good passing game keeping defenses honest.

[johnlimburg]

I think what you said TMHG supports the case for a quarterback to win the award. It is a passing league. Quarterbacks of high quality are a premium. If your team wants to be in the elite category you must have the quarterback. And these quarterbacks who get discussed for the award are the type which lead there teams to wins and contribute a ton to the wins.

The award is for who is most valuable to their football team. A team that is in the playoffs is a must for a player to win the award. But ask yourself. Would you rather have an elite quarterback or an elite running back. The answer is an elite quarterback.

I personally think all 3 guys being discussed are worthy of the award. I wont predict anyone however I will make a case for Peyton Manning as I have seen every single snap he has taken this season. It is no secret how awful our offense was last season. Now look at it. It is so much better and speaks to how much Peyton Manning has improved the team. The offensive line is weaker then last year with Chris Kuper being out most of this season. The tight ends are better however the starting wideouts are the same. Look at the improvment (2011 Stats are listed first):

PPG: 17.13 - 25.2

Yards: 316.6 Per Game - 387.2 Per Game

Yards Per Drive: 25.78 (26th in NFL)- 36.25 (2nd in NFL)

Touchdowns Per Drive: 0.15 (22nd in NFL) - 2.59 (3rd in NFL)

3rd Down: 30.8% - 43%

Redzone Trips: 2.4 Per Game - 3.9 Per Game

Redzone TD %: 44.19% - 56.36%

This shows how valuable Peyton Manning has been to this team. That offense last year was dreadful and now it is good. Mostly because of Peyton Manning. I will not give him credit for how good this defense is playing because during the 6-0 run last year they dominated and were a main reason we were winning. However when the defense creates turnovers now and when we get good field position the offense turns that into points.

[theMileHighGuy]

I think what you said TMHG supports the case for a quarterback to win the award. It is a passing league. Quarterbacks of high quality are a premium. If your team wants to be in the elite category you must have the quarterback. And these quarterbacks who get discussed for the award are the type which lead there teams to wins and contribute a ton to the wins.

The award is for who is most valuable to their football team. A team that is in the playoffs is a must for a player to win the award. But ask yourself. Would you rather have an elite quarterback or an elite running back. The answer is an elite quarterback.

I personally think all 3 guys being discussed are worthy of the award. I wont predict anyone however I will make a case for Peyton Manning as I have seen every single snap he has taken this season. It is no secret how awful our offense was last season. Now look at it. It is so much better and speaks to how much Peyton Manning has improved the team. The offensive line is weaker then last year with Chris Kuper being out most of this season. The tight ends are better however the starting wideouts are the same. Look at the improvment (2011 Stats are listed first):

PPG: 17.13 - 25.2

Yards: 316.6 Per Game - 387.2 Per Game

Yards Per Drive: 25.78 (26th in NFL)- 36.25 (2nd in NFL)

Touchdowns Per Drive: 0.15 (22nd in NFL) - 2.59 (3rd in NFL)

3rd Down: 30.8% - 43%

Redzone Trips: 2.4 Per Game - 3.9 Per Game

Redzone TD %: 44.19% - 56.36%

This shows how valuable Peyton Manning has been to this team. That offense last year was dreadful and now it is good. Mostly because of Peyton Manning. I will not give him credit for how good this defense is playing because during the 6-0 run last year they dominated and were a main reason we were winning. However when the defense creates turnovers now and when we get good field position the offense turns that into points.

No doubt our offense is worlds better this year. What I was trying to convey is that passing is easier, and Manning and Brady aren't out there playing by themselves. Even without Kuper our O-line is stellar, we've got solid recievers, a running game, and a top 5 defense. We're an 8-8 team without him, Minnesota could very well be 2-14 or worse without AP.

[johnlimburg]

No doubt our offense is worlds better this year. What I was trying to convey is that passing is easier, and Manning and Brady aren't out there playing by themselves. Even without Kuper our O-line is stellar, we've got solid recievers, a running game, and a top 5 defense. We're an 8-8 team without him, Minnesota could very well be 2-14 or worse without AP.

I disagree. How many quarterbacks are able to come in and have success. Not many. It is the toughest job in football. Now compare that to the amount of runningbacks who can come in and do a good job. Many more can do that. Runningback is a much easier position to play and passing the ball is not easier at all.

And yes Manning and Brady arn't playing by themselves however neither is Peterson. His run blocking is clearly great. They open holes for him. Just as both of the quarterbacks get protection from their O lines and their wideouts catch passes.

And our O line is solid. However it isn't like Peyton Manning has had a very good run game. This O line has had some great run blocking games like against the Saints and Ravens however for the most part they have not given great holes to any of our runningbacks. Tom Brady has had a much better running game to lean on.

And I think without Manning with this schedule we are right now sitting around 5-6 wins and out of the playoffs. I think this team has been built great however I don't see any quarterback out there coming in here and producing that many points on offense to have more then 5-6 wins.

Also the injury factor shouldn't mean anything in this debate. However Peyton Manning coming back from his injury is much more impressive then Adrian Peterson coming back from his. How many people have come back from torn ACL's ? Many. How many people have come back from serious neck injuries ? Peyton Manning and who ?