Joe Flacco Ain't Bad!

[Spice 1]

Given your role, I think you know that agreeing with the OP is not the norm around here. I welcome opposing views. I clearly believe what I believe, but am open to disagreement and if nothing else, different perspectives.

I don't know how folks don't buy in to a guy who's won at least one playoff game every year of his career. Like I have already said......he should have been in last year's SB, outplaying Brady in New England, and he has been incredible in the playoffs this year, just under 115 passer rating against three teams - two of them The Ravens were not supposed to beat.

There are a lot of QBs who play well in the regular season but don't deliver at the most crucial times. I think Flacco has some Big Ben fan feelings.....no matter how many big games they win, they just aren't appreciated for their play. And this coming from a guy who doesn't pull for Flacco.

As for some other folks' comments.....don't compare him to Sanchez re: playoffs. Sanchez was good for a while. He's dropped off since. As for Eli.....well, that's a compliment. Winning 2 SBs puts you in a special class. If Flacco wins one, he too is in a special class. I don't know, The Ravens are underdogs again....hmmm.

Yeah, but if we're going to rate Flacco based on his road playoff record, then we invite the Mark Sanchez comparison.

[bronx_2003]

Yeah, but if we're going to rate Flacco based on his road playoff record, then we invite the Mark Sanchez comparison.

Hence why QB's should not just be judged on W-L's.

Sanchez was carried to the 2 conf. games. Now the D and running game is not top 3 he is shown up as the QB he is.

In Big Bens rookie year he was asked to do very little and had the worst SB of any QB ever, stats wise, but they still won.

[Peanut]

Given your role, I think you know that agreeing with the OP is not the norm around here. I welcome opposing views. I clearly believe what I believe, but am open to disagreement and if nothing else, different perspectives.

I don't know how folks don't buy in to a guy who's won at least one playoff game every year of his career. Like I have already said......he should have been in last year's SB, outplaying Brady in New England, and he has been incredible in the playoffs this year, just under 115 passer rating against three teams - two of them The Ravens were not supposed to beat.

There are a lot of QBs who play well in the regular season but don't deliver at the most crucial times. I think Flacco has some Big Ben fan feelings.....no matter how many big games they win, they just aren't appreciated for their play. And this coming from a guy who doesn't pull for Flacco.

As for some other folks' comments.....don't compare him to Sanchez re: playoffs. Sanchez was good for a while. He's dropped off since. As for Eli.....well, that's a compliment. Winning 2 SBs puts you in a special class. If Flacco wins one, he too is in a special class. I don't know, The Ravens are underdogs again....hmmm.

I didn't want to be the one to come in and "trash" your thread.

We all have our opinions. I hear so much hype around here (MD), I guess I just get tired of it. Flacco is good. I just don't think he's as good as some say he is. They don't credit the D or their O-line. I mean, look at the Bronco/Raven game in December. I know everyone has an off day, but he was bad and we didn't put pressure on him (as one fan I talked to said, we didn't have to). Fans were calling for his head. Music to my ears.

[elway93]

I have to say I've been really impressed with him this postseason. Previous years it just seemed like he was getting dragged along for the ride by his teammates, this year he is actually contributing big time. If he manages to play well in the big game and lead the Ravens to a win I think he'll have established himself as an upper-tier guy. Now, he'd still have to back that up by producing big next year too before I would accept him as an elite quarterback, but he has definitely shown great signs of improvement.

[CanDB]

Yeah, but if we're going to rate Flacco based on his road playoff record, then we invite the Mark Sanchez comparison.

I don't think it's fair to compare to Sanchez......but at one point, I will say that Sanchez did look like the future. He was kinda hot for a while....

Hence why QB's should not just be judged on W-L's.

Sanchez was carried to the 2 conf. games. Now the D and running game is not top 3 he is shown up as the QB he is.

In Big Bens rookie year he was asked to do very little and had the worst SB of any QB ever, stats wise, but they still won.

I disagree.....wins and losses are strongly impacted by QBs.

Lets not use a few examples of why we don't like it to bring down Flacco and some other deserved QBs.

[CanDB]

I didn't want to be the one to come in and "trash" your thread.

We all have our opinions. I hear so much hype around here (MD), I guess I just get tired of it. Flacco is good. I just don't think he's as good as some say he is. They don't credit the D or their O-line. I mean, look at the Bronco/Raven game in December. I know everyone has an off day, but he was bad and we didn't put pressure on him (as one fan I talked to said, we didn't have to). Fans were calling for his head. Music to my ears.

You trashing me!!!!!!! I will report you to yourself!!!!



It's ok to disagree. I just think he's playing better than many give him credit for. For my money, he seemed to take over the game yesterday in the 3rd Q, and never looked back. His team did a great job to seal the deal, but at some point he does deserve a lot of credit as well.

For some others who may think I am defining him as an "elite" QB.....well, I didn't. But I do believe he is a good QB whose stock is rising.

[Charlie Brown]

I do not like the Ravens. I hope that they lose the Super Bowl. That said, after the game I was happy to see how they treated O.J. Brigance.

Again, I would like to reiterate that I hope that the 49ers beat them.

[bronx_2003]

[QUOTE=CanDB;4649790I disagree.....wins and losses are strongly impacted by QBs.

Lets not use a few examples of why we don't like it to bring down Flacco and some other deserved QBs.[/QUOTE]

Yes, thats true. The QB has a strong impact and W-L's are obviously the most important stat in football.

I do think the QB gets too much credit and there are numerous examples. Sanchez riding the Jets D to 2 champ. games.

Big Ben winning a SB in his rookie year with that D.

I heard people bash Manning after 'another' playoff loss when that defeat was on the D and PM had a pretty decent game.

Flacco yesterday had a bad first half and missed a lot of throws, an outstanding effort by the D kept them in the game.

All QB's seem to get annointed as elite at some stage. Stafford was, Romo was, Eli was, but they fall back to inconsistentcy.

There are 4 elite QB's in PM, Brady, Rodgers and Bree's who for years carried there teams and produced week in, week out. They are a long long way ahead of anyone else.

Luck seems destined for that group. Possibly Griffin. Maybe Wilson but I'm not sure.

[bears6385]

Yes, thats true. The QB has a strong impact and W-L's are obviously the most important stat in football.

I do think the QB gets too much credit and there are numerous examples. Sanchez riding the Jets D to 2 champ. games.

Big Ben winning a SB in his rookie year with that D.

I heard people bash Manning after 'another' playoff loss when that defeat was on the D and PM had a pretty decent game.

Flacco yesterday had a bad first half and missed a lot of throws, an outstanding effort by the D kept them in the game.

All QB's seem to get annointed as elite at some stage. Stafford was, Romo was, Eli was, but they fall back to inconsistentcy.

There are 4 elite QB's in PM, Brady, Rodgers and Bree's who for years carried there teams and produced week in, week out. They are a long long way ahead of anyone else.

Luck seems destined for that group. Possibly Griffin. Maybe Wilson but I'm not sure.

Only thing I would change here is that Big Ben did not win the Super Bowl in his rookie year 2004, it was his second year in 2005.

[bronx_2003]

Only thing I would change here is that Big Ben did not win the Super Bowl in his rookie year 2004, it was his second year in 2005.

Yep, my bad

[CanDB]

In case folks didn't notice, the title describes Flacco as follows......

"ain't bad"

That doesn't equal "elite". And if Flacco has a quality SB win, he might earn that or some form of it. This is not an argument about him being "elite". Some folks jump to that whenever QBs are discussed.

And as to Flacco's 1st half being poor.....just remember, he's about 115 passer rating for the playoffs. That's pretty clutch! And yesterday he was 106.3 after a slow start. Don't forget, the wind was a factor for both QBs, but he came out way ahead......3 TDs and 0 pics.

[CanDB]

Final thoughts about Flacco's season......whether or not folks call him elite or not, I'd say this (and remember, I'm not a big fan)

1) He had a great postseason......117.2 rating including 11 TDs and ZERO picks
2) QBs and SB wins are a formula for long term success
3) His postseason victory totals are impressive.....sure, these are team successes (as are all wins), but the QB has a key role
4) He's gonna make a lot of mula going forward!!! (whether folks love him or not)

[LSIGRAD09]

Final thoughts about Flacco's season......whether or not folks call him elite or not, I'd say this (and remember, I'm not a big fan)

1) He had a great postseason......117.2 rating including 11 TDs and ZERO picks
2) QBs and SB wins are a formula for long term success
3) His postseason victory totals are impressive.....sure, these are team successes (as are all wins), but the QB has a key role
4) He's gonna make a lot of mula going forward!!! (whether folks love him or not)

I think Peyton should take notes. In all honesty.

[CanDB]

I lied.....one more final comment:

When watching Joe being interviewed, I sensed that many folks aren't enamoured by him, because he's a bit on the dull side. If that was the case, I think that's an unfair way to knock the guy. There's no doubt he has become a big game player, and that's what you want in a QB. Plus he seems to be gaining confidence and poise, which means to me anyway, that he's on the rise.

I'd get over this "elite" conversation, and just pay him some respect, as a QB......like him or not, good D or not, good oline or not, good coaching or not, lots of weapons or not. He's the SB MVP, and was also the #1 PostSeason QB, over the course of four games, against some pretty good opposition. I say good on him.

[Spice 1]

I lied.....one more final comment:

When watching Joe being interviewed, I sensed that many folks aren't enamoured by him, because he's a bit on the dull side. If that was the case, I think that's an unfair way to knock the guy. There's no doubt he has become a big game player, and that's what you want in a QB. Plus he seems to be gaining confidence and poise, which means to me anyway, that he's on the rise.

I'd get over this "elite" conversation, and just pay him some respect, as a QB......like him or not, good D or not, good oline or not, good coaching or not, lots of weapons or not. He's the SB MVP, and was also the #1 PostSeason QB, over the course of four games, against some pretty good opposition. I say good on him.

I think the main problem is that people are tired of hearing about it. By him winning the MVP, it's going to create more debate. If I had a vote, Anquan Boldin would have gotten it. Then you've got people like Cowherd going on about how great he is, and saying how they would put him up there with Brady and Manning. Just adding fuel to the fire. I'm not out to derail your thread, and I agree with the premise. He is a good quarterback from my standpoint. He gets my respect (I already stated why), but to hear this Manning and Brady stuff? Seriously?

You look at guys like Manning and Brady. How many different receivers have they had success with? You look at Flacco. Aside from Boldin, who has he had success with? When has Flacco ever lead the NFL in completion percentage, passing yards, touchdowns, passer rating, completions, TD%, 4th quarter comebacks, or game winning drives? Never. He's only finished in the top five in two of those categories: 2012 4th quarter comebacks (T 3rd with 3 others), and 2012 game winning drives (5th). But like I've said. He can play in the clutch. He's proven that this post season.

I totally agree with what you're saying. He's a good quarterback. He deserves respect, but I don't get how he's under appreciated. People need to chill out on that. It's like when guys like Al Michaels get butt hurt because people say Romo isn't "elite". Like they can't figure out what elite means. It means the best in the NFL. Flacco and Romo aren't in that category. It's actually pretty damn simple.