We see it the same way bud. In terms of playoff success, this guy's in an elite group, given what he has accomplished in his career. And lets give him some credit for that dropped pass in the end zone last year against The Pats. He could easily have led his team to back to back SB appearances. And despite what some say, his stats are getting pretty good over the last 2 years, especially in the playoffs!
I think some folks don't care for his personality or whatever. He's not a charismatic type of person, but so what? That doesn't matter if your team loves ya, and your winning the big games.
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Flacco had 11 TD's 0 INT's in the playoffs. He's not worth what he was paid, but he's hardly the Mr Magoo some are portraying him to be.
We'll see if he can keep his production high. I have some doubts. But he was the best QB in the playoffs last year, and that counts.Leave a comment:
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Yeah, Flacco is pretty good. I for one think closing your eyes and chucking it up on a wing and a prayer is a great strategy.Leave a comment:
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Can I just please ask...what if Ray Lewis doesn't come back from injury or retire??? Do the Ravens still win the Super Bowl? Do they even make the playoff's? I understand Flacco had a good run but how much did the impending retirement of that teams heart and soul have to do with that run? Has Joe Flacco ever put that team on his back and carried them to the playoffs? The answer is simple, no. We will see what Flacco is made of next year when the leader of that team is no longer there.
I do not believe he is elite because of some of the throws he made with no pressure on him. Mostly the throw to Jacoby in the Super Bowl, that throw had to be 10 yards short at least. Jacoby had to stop and wait for it. Many deep throws that he throws are that way. He has a strong arm but doesn't always set is feet right to make a long throw.Leave a comment:
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I hate when people knock PM for the playoff record. For years he carried Indy, a team that had the #1 pick without him. He went to 2 SB's and won one. They were not loaded like NE, they had major holes he covered up.
Against the Ravens he threw 3 scores and 1 pick in regulation. We scored 35 points which should easily have been enough to win. It wasn't PM's fault that the D had their worst game of the season or that Moore made a serious misjudgement on an easy pick.
Flacco played pretty well but my problem with him is the same as Eli. Eli had an average season then got hot in the playoffs and they got a SB. People say he is elite, this season he strugles again. You will probably see that with Flacco.
Brady, PM amd Rodgers are consistent every week, and miles ahead of anyone else. Bree's would be next if he gets his form... and coach, back.Leave a comment:
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I think the main problem is that people are tired of hearing about it. By him winning the MVP, it's going to create more debate. If I had a vote, Anquan Boldin would have gotten it. Then you've got people like Cowherd going on about how great he is, and saying how they would put him up there with Brady and Manning. Just adding fuel to the fire. I'm not out to derail your thread, and I agree with the premise. He is a good quarterback from my standpoint. He gets my respect (I already stated why), but to hear this Manning and Brady stuff? Seriously?
You look at guys like Manning and Brady. How many different receivers have they had success with? You look at Flacco. Aside from Boldin, who has he had success with? When has Flacco ever lead the NFL in completion percentage, passing yards, touchdowns, passer rating, completions, TD%, 4th quarter comebacks, or game winning drives? Never. He's only finished in the top five in two of those categories: 2012 4th quarter comebacks (T 3rd with 3 others), and 2012 game winning drives (5th). But like I've said. He can play in the clutch. He's proven that this post season.
I totally agree with what you're saying. He's a good quarterback. He deserves respect, but I don't get how he's under appreciated. People need to chill out on that. It's like when guys like Al Michaels get butt hurt because people say Romo isn't "elite". Like they can't figure out what elite means. It means the best in the NFL. Flacco and Romo aren't in that category. It's actually pretty damn simple.Leave a comment:
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I lied.....one more final comment:
When watching Joe being interviewed, I sensed that many folks aren't enamoured by him, because he's a bit on the dull side. If that was the case, I think that's an unfair way to knock the guy. There's no doubt he has become a big game player, and that's what you want in a QB. Plus he seems to be gaining confidence and poise, which means to me anyway, that he's on the rise.
I'd get over this "elite" conversation, and just pay him some respect, as a QB......like him or not, good D or not, good oline or not, good coaching or not, lots of weapons or not. He's the SB MVP, and was also the #1 PostSeason QB, over the course of four games, against some pretty good opposition. I say good on him.Leave a comment:
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Final thoughts about Flacco's season......whether or not folks call him elite or not, I'd say this (and remember, I'm not a big fan)
1) He had a great postseason......117.2 rating including 11 TDs and ZERO picks
2) QBs and SB wins are a formula for long term success
3) His postseason victory totals are impressive.....sure, these are team successes (as are all wins), but the QB has a key role
4) He's gonna make a lot of mula going forward!!! (whether folks love him or not)Leave a comment:
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In case folks didn't notice, the title describes Flacco as follows......
"ain't bad"
That doesn't equal "elite". And if Flacco has a quality SB win, he might earn that or some form of it. This is not an argument about him being "elite". Some folks jump to that whenever QBs are discussed.
And as to Flacco's 1st half being poor.....just remember, he's about 115 passer rating for the playoffs. That's pretty clutch! And yesterday he was 106.3 after a slow start. Don't forget, the wind was a factor for both QBs, but he came out way ahead......3 TDs and 0 pics.Last edited by CanDB; 01-21-2013, 08:10 PM.Leave a comment:
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[QUOTE=CanDB;4649790I disagree.....wins and losses are strongly impacted by QBs.
Lets not use a few examples of why we don't like it to bring down Flacco and some other deserved QBs.[/QUOTE]
Yes, thats true. The QB has a strong impact and W-L's are obviously the most important stat in football.
I do think the QB gets too much credit and there are numerous examples. Sanchez riding the Jets D to 2 champ. games.
Big Ben winning a SB in his rookie year with that D.
I heard people bash Manning after 'another' playoff loss when that defeat was on the D and PM had a pretty decent game.
Flacco yesterday had a bad first half and missed a lot of throws, an outstanding effort by the D kept them in the game.
All QB's seem to get annointed as elite at some stage. Stafford was, Romo was, Eli was, but they fall back to inconsistentcy.
There are 4 elite QB's in PM, Brady, Rodgers and Bree's who for years carried there teams and produced week in, week out. They are a long long way ahead of anyone else.
Luck seems destined for that group. Possibly Griffin. Maybe Wilson but I'm not sure.Leave a comment:
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