Has Bilichik gone the way of Shanahan?

[ArchAngel]

Bilichik (sic) has been in NE for what 14-15 years now? Has he lost the locker room? With Wilfork wanting out of NE badly, preceeded by Wes Welker and Julian Edelman soon to be signed by the 9ers. Then there was the Aaron Hernandez situation, forcing Gronkowski to play before he was ready. Seems that those that do leave NE dont have a whole lot of kind things to say about Bilichik. His refusal to re-sign top players, and locker room leaders, has to start having a negative effect on the team. Unless your name is Brady, if youre a player for NE, your career is going to be short lived there. Is his act wearing thin as it did with Shanahan in Denver?

[CoryWinget81]

Belichick was so successful because he got the locker room to buy into "its a business, and were in the business of winning championships", until people started figuring out what he really meant was "It's a business and unless you're Tom Brady you're not allowed to make mistakes or talk, because I'll cut you".

Yes, I do agree his message is wearing thin in NE, but he's not going anywhere.

[johntbronco]

I totally can't stand Belly-Chick!

But, I will bet you he will be right there in the playoffs with us this year.
And, that is why Belly-Chick is good, no matter what i think of him.

[xX-Bronco-Xx]

He went to the AFC championship last season.

I'm sure he's fine.

[Hadez]

When Brady leaves the Pats will go to the bottom of the NFL unless they find another franchise qb

Belichick should be gone within 2 or 3 years after that but loyalty may keep him there longer

Do not get me wrong Brady needs Belichick just as much but I doubt many other QBs in the NFL could survive that brutal coaching style

It is very similiar to how Parcells did it and Parcells realized there is a shelf life to that style

[samparnell]

Shanahan has a great football mind. Communicating that to players is the trick. He had full control and got a big head. He had a falling out with John Elway after the latter retired, and went through five DCs. He wouldn't listen to his scouts and assistants and ended up getting fired.

Belichick has great football knowledge. So far, he has gotten his players to buy what he's selling. He had a great run with Brady & Co. His window of opportunity may be closing ... some. He has full control as Shanahan did. We'll see how he can hang with Elway in the GM dept. So far, John has the better of him.

[Doogansquest]

He did coach a team to 11-5 without Brady, that went 10-6 the next year with Brady. Belichick can coach, and he arguably gets more out of players 30-53 than anyone else in the league.

[Idiot_Kicker]

Belichick is still a great tactical coach, but he does have one similarity with Shanahan, and that is he has come up small in the draft.

If you look over the five drafts or so for the Patriots, they have had ALOT of selections from trades, etc., and they have done a very poor job overall. They wasted multiple picks in the second and third round on players that did not pan out.

More than anything, that is what has caught up to the New England Patriots.

[Rancid]

He did coach a team to 11-5 without Brady, that went 10-6 the next year with Brady. Belichick can coach, and he arguably gets more out of players 30-53 than anyone else in the league.

LoL-- who is in their 50's?

[diazinfante83]

Belichick is still a great tactical coach, but he does have one similarity with Shanahan, and that is he has come up small in the draft.

If you look over the five drafts or so for the Patriots, they have had ALOT of selections from trades, etc., and they have done a very poor job overall. They wasted multiple picks in the second and third round on players that did not pan out.

More than anything, that is what has caught up to the New England Patriots.

The pats have benefited on this run from playing in such a lousy division. They are looking at 6-0, 5-1 in their division every year. Without video taping the Pats have got blown out at home by the Ravens and at denver in the first rd off the playoffs. They beat a Tebow led team and won on a fluke missed FG by Balt to go to the super bowl.

When Brady is gone, Belicheck is gone. As much as I hate Brady he is great. Belicheck sucked in Clev and he made the dumb decision to have a bunch of 2nd/3rd rd picks instead of drafting in the first rd where the elite talent is.

[Hadez]

He did coach a team to 11-5 without Brady, that went 10-6 the next year with Brady. Belichick can coach, and he arguably gets more out of players 30-53 than anyone else in the league.

Shanahan took three different qbs to the playoffs. Went to the AFC Champ game with two different Qbs. Has taken a team to the playoffs four times without a HoF Qb.

Belichick has won one playoff game in his career without Brady...oddly enough against the Pats

I dunno maybe when Brady retires he shows us how great he is.

The NFL is about wins and losses and more importantly wins and losses in the playoffs. That is what every coach is judged on.

I wonder how we would look at them if Shanahan had Elway from day one like how Bill had Brady from day one.

[LSIGRAD09]

Whatever the case, they still field one of the best teams in the AFC.
That will remain the case with the Browner signing.

[Manning2BayBay]

Shanahan has a great football mind. Communicating that to players is the trick. He had full control and got a big head. He had a falling out with John Elway after the latter retired, and went through five DCs. He wouldn't listen to his scouts and assistants and ended up getting fired.

Belichick has great football knowledge. So far, he has gotten his players to buy what he's selling. He had a great run with Brady & Co. His window of opportunity may be closing ... some. He has full control as Shanahan did. We'll see how he can hang with Elway in the GM dept. So far, John has the better of him.

While i do not dispute this, it is easy to look past the fact that, coming into the situation Elway had, it may have been easier, then sustaining consistent success over a 10 year period, although some measure success by only rings,

hypothetically speaking, if elway worked his magic with the raiders or redskins 3 years ago,that would be really something,

not that i do not recognize the current job Elway has done through drafting and free agency, and most importantly, closing free agents while managing the salary cap very nicely and giving himself outs for even more flexibility down the road

He did coach a team to 11-5 without Brady, that went 10-6 the next year with Brady. Belichick can coach, and he arguably gets more out of players 30-53 than anyone else in the league.

this, although in a weak division, he is a great coach, no rings since 03? his development of players and usage of personnel is really amazing edelman,vereen,ridley, spikes


recently, Belichick, has made very questionable drafting choices, hernandez being the biggest one, it was known fact of his issues, reason why he dropped so far in the draft, he went all in got to the superbowl and lost,

offered both his young Tight Ends huge contracts, that and the fact that I really think his personality and age has made a huge impact on what is happening there,

I really believe it went down hill starting with Gronkowski, and his injuries and not rushing back and not giving to hoots when he was drunk partying with a broken limb

the generation gap I believe is starting to show, where older players like welker, wilfork, see how the younger guys just brush Belichick off instead of fearing him,

lol just my 2 cents

[samparnell]

With Shanahan, Denver is 8-6 in the playoffs during which time he lost twice at home ('96 & '05) and was blown out three times on the road (2000, '03 & '04). By comparison, Dan Reeves' Bronco playoff record is 7-6.

[fallforward3y+]

Billicheck is probably the league's best tactical coach, and is one of the best at player utilization. NE adjusts to what the opponent does probably more than any other team.

I can see how his way of things may be a turn off for certain players though. A lot of players don't like talking in clichés, or being told what they can and can't say. A Pete Carroll coaching style appeals more to players, that is based around letting you be you, and that leading you to success. It is designed to live and die by the players performance. BB is more of 'be what I want you to be or get out, you succeed because of my system', and they live and die by the system in NE.

The way things are done in NE does have it's advantages. Obviously they know how to overcome distractions, as well as injuries better than any other team. If a player becomes problematic or greedy, they can easily let him go with little suffering. BB is smarter than most 'my way or the highway' type coaches, which is how he succeeds with that style. The system he designs allows for usage of many different kinds of players, and for that reason doesn't force players into roles they don't play well.