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I don't get why fans are so concerned over something that has zero impact on the game itself.
Because, as you said, it has zero impact on the game itself. The object of this thread is to point out the NFL's tendency to worry about making rule changes to nearly irrelevant things like this. With the time and effort spent on these minuscule issues, so much more could be done about things that actually need to be improved (replays, challenges, etc).
If this were overreaction Monday, I think both Herm and Tim would say "OVERREACTION!"
For one, what does any of this have to do with rules relating to contacting a ball carrier? Most of which by the way, only pertain to defenseless receivers who are not yet carrying the ball.
Plus, how exactly does this make it a "no fun league" that fans should walk away from. Is it really that spectacular to see them dunk the ball in the goal post? I really don't get the appeal of TD celebrations first of all, they really aren't that entertaining. I do think it's dumb to ban them, and players should be able to celebrate a bit, but if creative celebrations were never done I'd be perfectly fine. Plus, dunking the ball isn't even a creative one.
This rule has no impact on the game, so all this talk of it ruining it is a bit dramatic. Sure, it's dumb but at least this is a dumb rule with no impact on the game itself.
I brought up the contact with the ball-carrier rule because it's another rule change in the long line of other terrible rule changes that are hurting the NFL. They have no direct relation, other than the enforcement of both (along with others) being a negative for football.
Because, as you said, it has zero impact on the game itself. The object of this thread is to point out the NFL's tendency to worry about making rule changes to nearly irrelevant things like this. With the time and effort spent on these minuscule things, so much more could be done about things that actually need to be improved (replays, challenges, etc).
It has nothing to do with the actual game, but the NFL is a business. Let's say you work for a bank. They might release a personnel policy for its employees. For example: prohibited use of cell phones in the main lobby, implementation of a dress code, etc. The NFL has a right to make rules that distinguish what their employees (NFL Players) can and cannot do while representing their business (The NFL).
Also, why does the fact that this rule change is implemented mean they are ignoring bigger issues? A rule like this is far easier to implement and change than a complicated rule change that would require much more discussion between Goodell, owners, and players. Every offseason, rule changes are discussed, and replays & challenges are part of that process this year. So you are incorrect to think that this minuscule thing is taking up all the "time and effort" needed to work towards rule changes. Just because you have a bigger issue doesn't mean you need to ignore the small ones. The NFL wanted to enforce this to prevent any future issues, so they made it known.
So you are incorrect to think that this minuscule thing is taking up all the "time and effort" needed to work towards rule changes. Just because you have a bigger issue doesn't mean you need to ignore the small ones. The NFL wanted to enforce this to prevent any future issues, so they made it known.
Didn't say it took up all the time and effort. So you, in fact, are incorrect. I said it takes up time and effort, not all of it. Bigger issues should take priority over smaller ones.
That's not really a fair standpoint, IMO. Just because there are larger issues doesn't mean the NFL can't change a few small things that are easier to enforce.
Also, they didn't really change anything. It was already illegal to do this, it just wasn't enforced effectively. After Graham bent the goalpost, they have a reason to enforce the rule. I don't get why fans are so concerned over something that has zero impact on the game itself.
This right here. Its not like the NFL had no reason. After Graham did that they had to stop the game to fix the goal post. IMO this keeps the game from being affected and it is a much needed rule. They shouldn't have to stop games to fix goal posts because someone wants to do this after a td. There are other ways to celebrate the td that won't effect the playing of the game.
Didn't say it took up all the time and effort. So you, in fact, are incorrect. I said it takes up time and effort, not all of it. Bigger issues should take priority over smaller ones.
But that doesn't mean you table all other issues, especially ones that are a quick and easy fix. So, if you find black mold under your sink, are you going to stop taking out your trash just because black mold is a more important issue?
But that doesn't mean you table all other issues, especially ones that are a quick and easy fix. So, if you find black mold under your sink, are you going to stop taking out the trash until you get the black mold issue fixed?
Not even close to the same thing, and you know it.
My point is, and will continue to be, that the NFL is being hurt by a lot of these rule changes. Whether it's the "safety rules" that really have nothing to do with the well-being of players, but rather a preemptive measure to avoid lawsuits, or if it's something as silly as outlawing dunks over the goalpost -- I believe all of it's bad for football.
I thought about this. According to the rules, which apparently have always been in place but haven't been enforced, one cannot use the ball as a prop. So doing a lay-up over the goalpost would be penalized, too.
At least, that's my understanding.
So I guess spiking the ball should be banned as well.
Not even close to the same thing, and you know it.
My point is, and will continue to be, that the NFL is being hurt by a lot of these rule changes. Whether it's the "safety rules" that really have nothing to do with the well-being of players, but rather a preemptive measure to avoid lawsuits, or if it's something as silly as outlawing dunks over the goalpost -- I believe all of it's bad for football.
No but in theory it is the same concept. The league reviews tons of rule changes, and I don't know how you can think that because this rule was changed it hurts the chances of the league changing more important rules. As silly as it may seem to you, the fact that a game had to be stopped in order to fix a goalpost reflects poorly on the NFL.
The safety rules are a completely different issue. I'll save that for another thread.
I thought about this. According to the rules, which apparently have always been in place but haven't been enforced, one cannot use the ball as a prop. So doing a lay-up over the goalpost would be penalized, too.
At least, that's my understanding.
So I guess spiking the ball should be banned as well.
This is right. Although I think the issue is more with using the goalpost as a prop, not the ball.
No but in theory it is the same concept. The league reviews tons of rule changes, and I don't know how you can think that because this rule was changed it hurts the chances of the league changing more important rules. As silly as it may seem to you, the fact that a game had to be stopped in order to fix a goalpost reflects poorly on the NFL.
The safety rules are a completely different issue. I'll save that for another thread.
Meh. Just seems petty to me. No Fun League for the win.
Meh. Just seems petty to me. No Fun League for the win.
I completely understand how it seems that way. I personally understand the concern, and would be fine if all TD celebrations were outlawed. They're pretty selfish and childish IMO. Anyone who saw Keenan Allen against us in the playoffs should understand. Nothing more silly than puffing your chest and pointing at the name on your back when your team is getting bounced in an elimination game.
I don't see anything wrong with a little celebrating. That's why I don't like the ban on goalpost dunking. I thought it was always fun to watch, and it only had a negative impact on the game one time. I like excitement. I don't like the idea of watching a bunch of robots out there. I guess the fans should start golf-clapping, too.
If the NFL claims that stoppage of play is the real concern here in regards to the goalpost dunks, celebrations ought to be the least of their concern.
Every time the NFL commissions another dumb rule, I can't help but laugh at the other professional sports leagues. The people running the NFL know that consumers will keep coming back regardless of what they do to the league. The NFL actually goes out of its way to alienate fans, and it's still ten times better than MLB or the NBA. Seriously, they just made tackling illegal in the NFL, and it's still beating the dog crap out of that abomination that has become the National Basketball Association.
So if they want to turn the players into robots, go for it. At least I still have something to watch for 5 months a year.
Every time the NFL commissions another dumb rule, I can't help but laugh at the other professional sports leagues. The people running the NFL know that consumers will keep coming back regardless of what they do to the league. The NFL actually goes out of its way to alienate fans, and it's still ten times better than MLB or the NBA. Seriously, they just made tackling illegal in the NFL, and it's still beating the dog crap out of that abomination that has become the National Basketball Association.
So if they want to turn the players into robots, go for it. At least I still have something to watch for 5 months a year.
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