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  • #16
    Ugh, no. We don't need to geographically re-align, teams fly where they are going. There is really no advantage to a re-alignment and 'if it ain't broke don't fix it' is enough of a reason not to change it.

    The problem is rivalries get split up. Take the NFC.

    It's good that the North has no change, but the East shouldn't either. It would not be good to split up those rivalries, as they are all pretty big.

    That leaves the West and South. The rivalries in these divisions have been short, but they have already developed. The division rivalries in the South have become very good, and has become one of those divisions where divisional games are usually unpredictable. Plus, they are geographically aligned well so even the geography alignment makes no sense after that. AZ, SEA and SF are all in the far West. St. Louis is in the South, but which South team do you move to the West? They are all on the far East, it makes no sense.

    Now there's the AFC. It's good not to want to split up the AFC West, those rivalries are big. Splitting up the other 3 wouldn't be as bad as the NFC, but still not good. Take the North first. Pit and Bal would not want to split up, and Pit/Cle has stood for a long time as well. In the East, Jets/Bills/Fins has been long standing as well, and those rivalries are pretty good as well, especially Jets/Fins. Wouldn't want to split those 3 up either.

    So, remaining you have the AFC South, Bengals and New England. NE's rivalry isn't as strong as the other 3 in the East, but they have been there a long time, and the rivalry with the Jets is pretty good. Boston versus New York. I guess you could re-align them and figure out how to move NE the best way, but why put in all the work, there's no real advantage other than perhaps for fun lol.

    MAYBE you could move JAX or TN to the North, perhaps TN since they are the former Oilers, but the Bengals are just as long standing. I wouldn't want to move them.

    Keep it as is, is my take.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by broncoslover115 View Post
      Oh, come on. Stop being ridiculous. I will be the first to admit that the AFC West has been pretty cupcake until recently.

      You can't seriously believe that your division provides any kind of competition for your Pats. I listen to Boston sports radio all the time and even they will admit the Pats are in a lowly, weak division without any competition at all. Let's call a thing a thing for Pete's sake.

      Of course when you have Brady and Manning their teams will normally come out on top but stop acting as if your Pats have any real competition. I think you are normally a straight shooter so just stop it.
      The weakness of the AFC East has been overblown, and NE would probably come out on top in most divisions. Looking at the last 5 years, here's the bottom 3 wins

      2009

      AFCE-22 AFCW-17 AFCN-23 AFCS-24

      2010

      AFCE-22 AFCW-21 AFCN-21 AFCS-20

      2011

      AFCE-20 AFCW-23 AFCN-25 AFCS-16

      2012

      AFCE-19 AFCW-15 AFCN-23 AFCS-19

      2013

      AFCE-22 AFCW-24 AFCS-13 AFCN-20

      The AFC East has never been significantly worse than other divisions in terms of the bottom 3. Since 2011, they haven't had any wildcards but that's only a 3 year stretch. Aside from the AFC N, the East and South have both had 2 worse years for the bottom 3 than the worst the East has had.

      The entire AFC as a whole hasn't done well in terms of competition from the lower down teams, aside from maybe the North. AFC consistent winners dominate their conference more than the NFC ones do, lower down competition in the NFC has been better for the last 7 years or so.

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      • #18
        For years I've wished they'd GEOGRAPHICALLY re-align:

        Miami moved to the AFC South

        Indianapolis moved to the AFC North

        Baltimore moved to the AFC East


        The only rivalry I see being lost is the Dolphins/Jets and that (Marino/O'Brien) 40 point shoot-out rivalry ended in the early 90s.

        Well I guess the Steelers/Ravens rivalry would be lost but that's still a relatively new rivarly.
        Last edited by Mel B.; 04-08-2014, 12:59 PM.

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        • #19
          NFC West:
          Seahawks
          49ers
          Raiders
          Chargers

          AFC West:
          Broncos
          Cowboys
          Cardinals
          Chiefs

          NFC North:
          Bears
          Rams
          Packers
          Vikings

          AFC North:
          Colts
          Lions
          Bengals
          Browns

          NFC East:
          Steelers
          Redskins
          Ravens
          Eagles

          AFC East:
          Giants
          Patriots
          Bills
          Jets

          NFC South:
          Panthers
          Jags
          Titans
          Falcons

          AFC South:
          Dolphins
          Saints
          Texans
          Buccaneers

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          • #20
            What I don't get is why anyone thinks it is important to re-align? I mean is change just fun or something? lol
            What is so wrong with the current alignment that it needs fixing?

            Can someone who wants a re-alignment please explain why it's so important?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by bgpatsfan View Post
              There might be some confusion... in terms of talent of a division and competition. For instance, there isn't a lot of talent in the NFC East one of the worst divisions ever, but there was a lot of competition because all of the teams were on the same level.

              AFC East had talent but zero competition. Jets and Dolphins will put up a good fight but at the same time they aren't close to the patriots level. I see the same phenomenon with the AFC West; Chiefs and Chargers will put up a good fight but aren't on the broncos level.

              Straight Shooting: I was honestly more impressed with the Chargers this year than the Chiefs and I think the Chargers will be better going forward. Chiefs gave me zero reason to buy into their hype (played a last place schedule and were beaten by the "better" teams). Lets be real who was their best win against the Browns? They were exposed late in the season and have not improved in the offseason. Their offense will be weaker because they lost McCluster and their defense (while they have some nice pieces in Berry, Houston, Hali, and Poe) was exposed as well. Chiefs finishing 11-5 again is best case scenario. I view 9-7 as more likely.

              The Bengals and Chiefs are my picks for the two teams to fall off the most next season in the AFC.

              I see the AFC right now as a struggle between the Pats and Broncos with everyone else behind them. Probably in this order/tier:

              1. Broncos
              2. Pats

              3. Colts (A lot of solid additions like Arthur Jones and Nicks and Luck is a future stud)


              4. Ravens (Too well coached and a will be a full offseason from overhauling roster can only improve from 8-8)
              5. Chargers (Similar to Ravens, big fan of McCoy. Played the broncos very well. Lot of young talent on D and huge fan of Keenan Allen).

              6. Houston (O'Brien is a very good coach. Tons of talent on the team. Health is big question)
              7.Chiefs (See remarks from above)
              8. Cincy (Losing Zimmer hurts the most one of the best DCs. Also losing Gruden. No faith in Marvin Lewis)
              9. Cleveland (could be good if their coach does his job)

              10. Jets (Rex has probably the best Dline in football. Jets D is always scary. Offense is one or two pieces of the puzzle away from being a very good team. But they always overachieve so I can see them making some noise next season)
              11. Steelers (Old on D but offense is improving)
              12. Dolphins (No faith in Philbin. Moreno improves their run game, potential to be a good team but too much noise/dysfunction in the locker room. Dion Jordan looks like a huge mistake as does Wallace. Reports that they were shopping both of them?)
              13. Titans (Lot of young talent with Casey, Wright, Hunter,etc. But questions with QB and Coach.)

              14. Buf (bad but talent is there especially on D)

              15. Jax
              16 Oakl


              List is made before the draft so it will change before the season begins. List is speculation on how new coaches will do and power will change. For instance Houston and Cleveland are ranked highly based on potential because of the talent on their roster; there is a good chance that one of those teams will not realize that potential.

              Some teams are underrated on this list like Titans, Dolphins and Bills. They have potential but not as much as others I listed and I don't give them very good odds to achieve much.

              Edit: Consensus I think is Top 3 are Broncs, Pats, and Colts. First two on another level. Teams 6-13 are going to be interesting to see how they break down. Can be a lot of movement in that range).
              Interesting list.

              I'd agree with the top 3.

              I dont think Oak is the worst in the AFC, i liked what they did this offseason.

              Draft obviously will change some/most of that though.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Conner13 View Post
                This thread is strictly on a hypothetical basis. I've been thinking lately about the divisions and alignment. The last time a change was made was in 2002, in order to fit the newly formed Houston Texans into the league. Again, the NFL has no plans to realign teams that I know of. This is simply hypothetical and for amusement. Please note that my alignment is more geographically based. Teams' talent/record played no factor.

                AFC North:
                New England
                Indianapolis
                Cleveland
                Cincinnati

                AFC South:
                Miami
                Houston
                Tennessee
                Jacksonville

                AFC West: (No change)
                Denver
                San Diego
                Oakland
                Kansas City

                AFC East:
                Buffalo
                Pittsburgh
                Baltimore
                New York Jets

                NFC North: (No change)
                Green Bay
                Chicago
                Minnesota
                Detroit

                NFC South:
                Dallas
                Tampa Bay
                New Orleans
                Atlanta

                NFC West: (No change)
                Seattle
                San Francisco
                Arizona
                St. Louis

                NFC East:
                Carolina
                Philadelphia
                New York Giants
                Washington

                No teams switched conferences. I thought about it but decided against it. As I look at what I've done, I notice right away that the AFC's divisions all have interstate rivalries with this alignment, which could be a problem, I suppose. Also, I notice that I didn't change very much in the NFC. For now, I'll leave it as it is. I'm curious to see what alignments you all might come up with.
                I will not attempt to do the NFC

                this is my alignment of the AFC

                AFC North:
                Buffalo
                Indianapolis
                Cleveland
                Cincinnati

                AFC South:
                Miami
                Houston
                Tennessee
                Jacksonville

                AFC West: (No change)
                Denver
                San Diego
                Oakland
                Kansas City

                AFC East:
                NE
                Pittsburgh
                Baltimore
                New York Jets

                After all all of the AFCE are on the east coast or a stones throw away from it. PIT being the only outlier there.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Chitown View Post
                  NFC West:
                  Seahawks
                  49ers
                  Raiders
                  Chargers

                  AFC West:
                  Broncos
                  Cowboys
                  Cardinals
                  Chiefs

                  NFC North:
                  Bears
                  Rams
                  Packers
                  Vikings

                  AFC North:
                  Colts
                  Lions
                  Bengals
                  Browns

                  NFC East:
                  Steelers
                  Redskins
                  Ravens
                  Eagles

                  AFC East:
                  Giants
                  Patriots
                  Bills
                  Jets

                  NFC South:
                  Panthers
                  Jags
                  Titans
                  Falcons

                  AFC South:
                  Dolphins
                  Saints
                  Texans
                  Buccaneers

                  nice map

                  helps to put things in perspective.

                  theses are the teams I would group together.
                  The west division
                  Seahawks
                  Raiders
                  49ers
                  Chargers

                  The almost west division.
                  Denver
                  Cardinals
                  Cowboys
                  Texans

                  The Mississippi division
                  KC
                  Rams
                  Tennessee
                  New Orleans

                  The south
                  Miami
                  Tampa
                  Jacksonville
                  Falcons

                  Black and Blue.
                  Vikings
                  GB
                  Bears
                  Lions

                  Ohio division
                  colts
                  Bengals
                  Browns
                  Steelers

                  North East division
                  NE
                  NYJ
                  NYG
                  BIlls

                  the LAST place division
                  Redskins
                  Eagles
                  ravens
                  panthers


                  for the most part all of them except ours are all drivable for tailgating. while it would take several years rivalries would develop.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Conner13 View Post
                    I'm curious to see what alignments you all might come up with.
                    I've had this discussion before. It's fun to think about (hypothetically). Here's what I would do based on geographic positioning, and keeping AFC/NFC teams the same:

                    AFC EAST:
                    Baltimore Ravens
                    Buffalo Bills
                    New England Patriots
                    New York Jets

                    AFC NORTH:
                    Cincinnati Bengals
                    Cleveland Browns
                    Indianapolis Colts
                    Pittsburgh Steelers

                    AFC SOUTH:
                    Houston Texans
                    Jacksonville Jaguars
                    Miami Dolphins
                    Tennessee Titans

                    AFC WEST: (unchanged)
                    Denver Broncos
                    Kansas City Chiefs
                    Oakland Raiders
                    San Diego Chargers

                    NFC EAST:
                    Carolina Panthers
                    New York Giants
                    Philadelphia Eagles
                    Washington Redskins

                    NFC NORTH: (unchanged)
                    Chicago Bears
                    Detroit Lions
                    Green Bay Packers
                    Minnesota Vikings

                    NFC SOUTH:
                    Atlanta Falcons
                    Dallas Cowboys
                    New Orleans Saints
                    Tampa Bay Buccaneers

                    NFC WEST: (unchanged)
                    Arizona Cardinals
                    St. Louis Rams
                    San Francisco 49ers
                    Seattle Seahawks

                    Geographically, this makes the most sense to me. The only iffy teams are the Rams and Chiefs, but with the lack of teams in the "West" it's tough to make it work.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by fallforward3y+ View Post
                      What I don't get is why anyone thinks it is important to re-align? I mean is change just fun or something? lol
                      What is so wrong with the current alignment that it needs fixing?

                      Can someone who wants a re-alignment please explain why it's so important?
                      I'm not one to embrace change all that often myself. This thread is just for fun. (See my first post in this thread.) Not much going on around here on the board this time of year.



                      Originally posted by SecondsAway131 View Post
                      I've had this discussion before. It's fun to think about (hypothetically). Here's what I would do based on geographic positioning, and keeping AFC/NFC teams the same:

                      AFC EAST:
                      Baltimore Ravens
                      Buffalo Bills
                      New England Patriots
                      New York Jets

                      AFC NORTH:
                      Cincinnati Bengals
                      Cleveland Browns
                      Indianapolis Colts
                      Pittsburgh Steelers

                      AFC SOUTH:
                      Houston Texans
                      Jacksonville Jaguars
                      Miami Dolphins
                      Tennessee Titans

                      AFC WEST: (unchanged)
                      Denver Broncos
                      Kansas City Chiefs
                      Oakland Raiders
                      San Diego Chargers

                      NFC EAST:
                      Carolina Panthers
                      New York Giants
                      Philadelphia Eagles
                      Washington Redskins

                      NFC NORTH: (unchanged)
                      Chicago Bears
                      Detroit Lions
                      Green Bay Packers
                      Minnesota Vikings

                      NFC SOUTH:
                      Atlanta Falcons
                      Dallas Cowboys
                      New Orleans Saints
                      Tampa Bay Buccaneers

                      NFC WEST: (unchanged)
                      Arizona Cardinals
                      St. Louis Rams
                      San Francisco 49ers
                      Seattle Seahawks

                      Geographically, this makes the most sense to me. The only iffy teams are the Rams and Chiefs, but with the lack of teams in the "West" it's tough to make it work.
                      Yours is very similar to mine.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Conner13 View Post
                        Yours is very similar to mine.
                        Just switched NE/Pittsburgh.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by fallforward3y+ View Post
                          What I don't get is why anyone thinks it is important to re-align? I mean is change just fun or something? lol
                          What is so wrong with the current alignment that it needs fixing?

                          Can someone who wants a re-alignment please explain why it's so important?


                          My list was small and just for geographical sense and to not break up any long-standing rivalries...

                          I mean the Indianapolis Colts being in the AFC "SOUTH" makes zero geographical sense...that's where the Miami Dolphins should be.

                          Miami moved to the AFC South

                          Indianapolis moved to the AFC North

                          Baltimore moved to the AFC East

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