Manziel moving in with Miller

[Bterres105]

Manziel is roomies with Miller in order to get his life together. I'm terrified of Von partaking in any of Manziel's activities and possibly getting in trouble. It only takes one bad cell for cancer to proliferate.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/johnny-manziel-says-moved-broncos-112600258.html

[beastlyskronk]

Expect Demarcus ware to be spending most of his nights babysitting those two.

[Houshmazode]

Could turn out great or could be a disaster.

[one_bad_55]

If he can get his life in order great but don't bring the other crap here with you. I sure hope Von knows what he is doing.

[L.M.]

May Von have the courage and sense to override this misplaced old Aggie loyalty and boot Johnny's ass out the door if or more likely when he starts partying and getting in trouble again!

And I hope Von's teammates (like Ware especially) will tell him just how terrible this idea is. Von is not qualified to repair a mess like this as a home project.

[CanDB]

Hey, folks just trying to help one another. Do we let people we know and care about fall further, or do we throw 'em a net, and talk straight with them?

Who knows, maybe we can rejuvenate the guy, and even see some potential in a year or so. It's all in the handling.

[DevilSpawn]

You can catch a cold, but can you catch a stupid? Hope Von is the dominant personality in this pairing, for his sake.

[L.M.]

Hey, folks just trying to help one another. Do we let people we know and care about fall further, or do we throw 'em a net, and talk straight with them?

Who knows, maybe we can rejuvenate the guy, and even see some potential in a year or so. It's all in the handling.

Who's "we"?

Even if it was family I would still hesitate because of the nature of these problems. JM's issues require professional help -as in psychology PhD's not pro linebackers. And he needs a rehab center environment, not the lap of luxury of an NFL star.

[broncoslover115]

Hey, folks just trying to help one another. Do we let people we know and care about fall further, or do we throw 'em a net, and talk straight with them?

Who knows, maybe we can rejuvenate the guy, and even see some potential in a year or so. It's all in the handling.

Can, I posted this in another thread but I feel really strongly about this so I am reposting it here. I'm not sure how much you know about addiction and alcoholism but there is a huge difference between throwing someone a net who wants to clean up their act, who is doing everything they can to get sober and deal with their addiction and someone who isn't. Manziel has yet to address his addiction at all and his life has become unmanageable. Manziel is still using and is still in the throws of his addiction.

I may not be very popular saying this but this concerns me. Von needs to surround himself with positive role models like DWare, not Manziel. I think it would be terrific if he can help him from a distance but to move in with Von kind of scares me. The reason being is that Manziel hasn't taken the steps to get sober yet and is actively in the process of hitting his bottom. Maybe Manziel has hit his bottom because of all the arrests and not having a job, but I don't think so.

It is one thing to live with someone who is actively addressing their addiction issues, who has continued to maintain a sober lifestyle and another to be living with someone who is still using, who is still getting into trouble and who still appears that he could give a rat's bum what the consequences of his actions are.

When someone is actively using it impacts everyone around them. It impacts all their relationships and I pray that Manziel's current lifestyle doesn't take Von down the wrong road. I have to say I'm kind of worried about this. Maybe Von is really solid in his sobriety and it works out, but Manziel doesn't need a baby sitter right now. He needs to be in a long term treatment facility.

I hope to God that Manziel doesn't drag Von back down. I hope he is strong enough to not let that happen. But I'm worried.

[Bterres105]

Can, I posted this in another thread but I feel really strongly about this so I am reposting it here. I'm not sure how much you know about addiction and alcoholism but there is a huge difference between throwing someone a net who wants to clean up their act, who is doing everything they can to get sober and deal with their addiction and someone who isn't. Manziel has yet to address his addiction at all and his life has become unmanageable. Manziel is still using and is still in the throws of his addiction.

I may not be very popular saying this but this concerns me. Von needs to surround himself with positive role models like DWare, not Manziel. I think it would be terrific if he can help him from a distance but to move in with Von kind of scares me. The reason being is that Manziel hasn't taken the steps to get sober yet and is actively in the process of hitting his bottom. Maybe Manziel has hit his bottom because of all the arrests and not having a job, but I don't think so.

It is one thing to live with someone who is actively addressing their addiction issues, who has continued to maintain a sober lifestyle and another to be living with someone who is still using, who is still getting into trouble and who still appears that he could give a rat's bum what the consequences of his actions are.

When someone is actively using it impacts everyone around them. It impacts all their relationships and I pray that Manziel's current lifestyle doesn't take Von down the wrong road. I have to say I'm kind of worried about this. Maybe Von is really solid in his sobriety and it works out, but Manziel doesn't need a baby sitter right now. He needs to be in a long term treatment facility.

I hope to God that Manziel doesn't drag Von back down. I hope he is strong enough to not let that happen. But I'm worried.

CP's once I get to a laptop.

[CanDB]

Who's "we"?

Even if it was family I would still hesitate because of the nature of these problems. JM's issues require professional help -as in psychology PhD's not pro linebackers. And he needs a rehab center environment, not the lap of luxury of an NFL star.

Just a general comment, as in "we" as a society.

Not saying it isn't a wee bit of a concern, but my take would be that our leadership group knows about it, and have either endorsed it, or will intervene with some advice.

[CanDB]

Can, I posted this in another thread but I feel really strongly about this so I am reposting it here. I'm not sure how much you know about addiction and alcoholism but there is a huge difference between throwing someone a net who wants to clean up their act, who is doing everything they can to get sober and deal with their addiction and someone who isn't. Manziel has yet to address his addiction at all and his life has become unmanageable. Manziel is still using and is still in the throws of his addiction.

I may not be very popular saying this but this concerns me. Von needs to surround himself with positive role models like DWare, not Manziel. I think it would be terrific if he can help him from a distance but to move in with Von kind of scares me. The reason being is that Manziel hasn't taken the steps to get sober yet and is actively in the process of hitting his bottom. Maybe Manziel has hit his bottom because of all the arrests and not having a job, but I don't think so.

It is one thing to live with someone who is actively addressing their addiction issues, who has continued to maintain a sober lifestyle and another to be living with someone who is still using, who is still getting into trouble and who still appears that he could give a rat's bum what the consequences of his actions are.

When someone is actively using it impacts everyone around them. It impacts all their relationships and I pray that Manziel's current lifestyle doesn't take Von down the wrong road. I have to say I'm kind of worried about this. Maybe Von is really solid in his sobriety and it works out, but Manziel doesn't need a baby sitter right now. He needs to be in a long term treatment facility.

I hope to God that Manziel doesn't drag Von back down. I hope he is strong enough to not let that happen. But I'm worried.

Hey, I understand where you come from. My initial stance on things like this is, get all the facts first. By now our management team knows about it. If they are ok with it, than it will likely be monitored I'm sure. If they are not, I am absolutely sure that they will step in.

Lets just see what transpires. I was a bit anxious at first, but have learned that certain situations require thorough understanding of the entire picture.

I highly doubt our organization is going to take a big risk with a great player, unless they have done their due diligence.

Just my thoughts.

I know I am not an expert in all matters, and certainly not this type of situation, but when you live long enough, know a lot of people,including healthcare professionals, you do not take these situations lightly.

....just to add, I didn't think too long about my first post, given I assume Elway, Kubiak and company are fully aware of what is going on.

[broncoslover115]

Just a general comment, as in "we" as a society.

Not saying it isn't a wee bit of a concern, but my take would be that our leadership group knows about it, and have either endorsed it, or will intervene with some advice.

For me it is way more than a wee bit of a concern. This is a really terrible idea and as I posted to your comment, I am really concerned. If JM were sober and committed to sobriety, fine. But he isn't. If there was someone like Cris Carter throwing him a net I'd be fine with the idea cause he's had over 15 years of sobriety under his belt and would be able to deal with someone like JM. But again, he needs to be in treatment, not in someone's home.

Did you know that JM's own father has said that he's afraid his son will die if he doesn't get his act together. His life is spiraling out of control Can. Arrest after arrest, domestic violence charges, possession of controlled substances, videos of him partying right after getting arrested for hitting his girlfriend, and doing all this knowing he was going to lose his job.

This is not the stage where a friend should step in and have you in their home to act as a babysitter. He is at the stage where he needs really serious help before it's too late. The guy is in real trouble. His family should be doing an intervention. His Super Agent is not doing him any favors by trying to get him a job. He should be getting him help.

[Atwnbroncfan]

National Lampoons Animal House NFL edition

[broncoslover115]

Hey, I understand where you come from. My initial stance on things like this is, get all the facts first. By now our management team knows about it. If they are ok with it, than it will likely be monitored I'm sure. If they are not, I am absolutely sure that they will step in.

Lets just see what transpires. I was a bit anxious at first, but have learned that certain situations require thorough understanding of the entire picture.

I highly doubt our organization is going to take a big risk with a great player, unless they have done their due diligence.

Just my thoughts.

I know I am not an expert in all matters, and certainly not this type of situation, but when you live long enough, know a lot of people,including healthcare professionals, you do not take these situations lightly.

Well I'm going to disagree with you on this. First, I'm not sure how the Broncos can tell him who he can have in his own home or not. I have seen the NFL and organizations take these things lightly all the time because I don't believe that they know what they are doing all the time when it comes to issues like this. They certainly don't know how to address domestic violence, that's for damn sure. And I'm not so sure they know how to address alcoholism and addiction either. They can fall on the substance abuse policy but I don't know how they can tell a player who they can have in their home.

I hope that my guy DeMarcus steps in and intervenes here. He probably is the one who has the most influence over Von anyway, moreso than the management.