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  • CanDB
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    Wait a minute. I see what happened here. I did not mean "embrace" literally. Now, that's ok if it's consensual, but just to make sure I didn't cloudy the situation.

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  • CanDB
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    Originally posted by johnlimburg View Post
    Did you follow him after his debut where he looked great ? The guy has a total lack of pocket awareness, and tied the league record all-time for lost fumbles in a season, in 12 starts. Jones has some admirable qualities, but his ceiling is Kirk Cousins in my eyes.

    Like Kirk, when things are going well, others are playing well, he can execute the short passing game and make a play or two with his legs. But adversity isn't there friend and when things don't go well, there play suffers and they compound it. We can probably thank Jones for Shurmur though. If Jones doesn't fumble away multiple games, Shurmur is still the head coach of the Giants.
    In fairness, his post was in September, and his assessment might have changed a wee bit since. Maybe not, but I have a hunch Jv did not remember to even come back to this thread, nor consider what he posted at that early point in the season.
    Last edited by CanDB; 02-10-2020, 11:12 AM.

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  • johnlimburg
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    Originally posted by JvDub95 View Post
    Daniel Jones is the perfect QB...imo. Smart quick release and MOBILE. I want my QB to make plays through the air 1st and foremost and make plays with his legs when needed.
    Did you follow him after his debut where he looked great ? The guy has a total lack of pocket awareness, and tied the league record all-time for lost fumbles in a season, in 12 starts. Jones has some admirable qualities, but his ceiling is Kirk Cousins in my eyes.

    Like Kirk, when things are going well, others are playing well, he can execute the short passing game and make a play or two with his legs. But adversity isn't there friend and when things don't go well, there play suffers and they compound it. We can probably thank Jones for Shurmur though. If Jones doesn't fumble away multiple games, Shurmur is still the head coach of the Giants.

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  • CanDB
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    I think this article sheds a similar light on my take...though goes into more depth. Please read if you get a chance. The emphasis on QBs and athleticism is quite clear, to the younger levels. There's also an interesting take on the Wing Back position.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...ns-renaissance

    Here's a small part of the article...

    A revolution is occurring at the game's most important position -- and it was on full display last weekend.

    At "NFL Honors" on Saturday night, Lamar Jackson became the second unanimous MVP in NFL history, while Kyler Murray surprisingly ran away with the Offensive Rookie of the Year award. One night later, Patrick Mahomes was named Super Bowl LIV MVP.

    The prototype for NFL quarterbacks has been changing in recent years, but those two nights really cemented the transition. Now it's time for the football world to acknowledge -- and embrace -- the new landscape of the position.

    The top QBs in the game today are breaking traditional norms, and inherently changing the way scouts evaluate the position. Instead of looking for polished pocket passers with textbook footwork and mechanics, talent evaluators and coaches are more willing to take chances on raw athletes and build around their strengths as explosive playmakers.

    "This movement has been in the works for years," an AFC assistant college scouting director told me. "It is the trickle-up effect. High schools and colleges are putting their best athletes at quarterback and letting them run around to make plays. The NFL has started to adapt because these guys are entering the league and making the same kinds of plays. Plus, the speed and athleticism of the defensive linemen force you to play with a mobile quarterback or a guy that gets the ball out of his hands quickly.

    "Quarterbacks have to be more than traditional pocket passers to play in this league. You need athletes who can make plays with their minds, arm and legs."
    Last edited by CanDB; 02-08-2020, 10:36 AM.

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  • Hadez
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    Originally posted by CanDB View Post
    I was going to add that I could see a lot of NE fans being mobile too, as they look for another local team to keep them happy.

    But boy, isn't it nice not to have to hear about them and watch these playoffs. I love that other teams are getting their share of attention. Methinks the years of glory are "whining" in patsland (as are the fans).
    It is nice to see another AFC team knock the Pats out of the playoffs. Since 2012 only the Broncos been doing it beside Titans now..

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  • CanDB
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    Originally posted by johnlimburg View Post
    If Brady leaves, I can see a lot of folks in New England becoming mobile quickly. Including his offensive coordinator who is a proven failure without Brady holding his hand. Man I was wishing McDaniels found his way into the Cleveland job, his little man syndrome would of seen him clashing heads left and right before trying to ship everyone out of town.
    I was going to add that I could see a lot of NE fans being mobile too, as they look for another local team to keep them happy.

    But boy, isn't it nice not to have to hear about them and watch these playoffs. I love that other teams are getting their share of attention. Methinks the years of glory are "whining" in patsland (as are the fans).

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  • johnlimburg
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    If Brady leaves, I can see a lot of folks in New England becoming mobile quickly. Including his offensive coordinator who is a proven failure without Brady holding his hand. Man I was wishing McDaniels found his way into the Cleveland job, his little man syndrome would of seen him clashing heads left and right before trying to ship everyone out of town.

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  • CanDB
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    Originally posted by johnlimburg View Post
    Are we talking "Embracing The Mobile QB...in Brady's case, Leaving the pats (as mobile as he gets)!"

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  • CanDB
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    Originally posted by johnlimburg View Post
    Good one!

    What Derek Henry is looking like to defenders...



    (Henry's on the left!)

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  • beastlyskronk
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    This isn’t so much about young QBs but we’re starting to see the NFL cycle back to strong running attacks. The Bills made the playoffs because Josh Allen is a threat running (and catching apparently) and a strong defense. The Texans don’t come back without Watson’s legs. Russell Wilson puts up great numbers but that’s a running team. The Vikings got a career year out of Dalvin Cook and made the playoffs with Thielen banged up and Diggs battling consistency, last year they missed out despite great years from their WRs. The Packers put an emphasis on running the ball and got Rodgers through the season healthy and age looks like it’s caught up to him, they probably don’t make it flinging the ball 50 times a game. But the biggest example of course is the Titans pounding the Patriots into submission with Derek Henry. Defenses now aren’t equipped to stop a 240-250 lb RB like that for 4 quarters.

    And now back to mobile QBs. If Josh Allen wasn’t good running the ball the Bills would probably be looking to bring in some competition for him this offseason. But he led his team to the playoffs and as a result he gets more time to continue to try and hone his passing ability as the unquestioned starter. If he improves some more next season he will likely be the guy for the next 10 years. Some guys don’t ever develop into a great passer but they get the time that pocket QBs don’t tend to get. Josh Rosen probably won’t get another shot to start, he’s likely a career backup at this point even though I still think he can be the guy for a team. Mobile QBs tend to get a longer leash because they don’t always have to pass to be effective.

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  • bronx_2003
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    Originally posted by CanDB View Post
    Well then, lets just say I don't define a passing/mobile QB the way you do. The league is full of passing/running QBs who are making the game harder to defend, and possibly more exciting. I think this is going to be the way of the future, unless of course it reverts back like I mentioned in my first post.

    FTR....I am not saying that QBs are going run first, even though Jackson appears to be at times. But even he has proven to have a good arm, and has thrown a ton of TD passes. I am saying that this "style" of QB embraces the passing arm, the athleticism, and the ability to run. And yes, while seeing the field, thinking pass and run.
    I like athleticism and being able to escape the pocket and roll out, throw on the run, and occasionally take off for a first down, but fundamentally a QB has to be able to play the position by reading the D, lining the players up, audibles, and above all have accuracy........ or you get someone like Duck Hodges who is agile and runs a bit but has terrible accuracy.

    Mobility is good as another tool for a guy who can play QB at a high level.

    Josh Allen is a good example of a young QB who has a good arm and mobility, he took off for a few runs today, and he is a young dude with potential but his accuracy needs to improve big time, he missed too many throws and his limitations meant the Bills failed to put Houston away.

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  • CanDB
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    Originally posted by bronx_2003 View Post
    Yep they are, and as I stated above QB's like Dalton, Mayfield, and Duck Hodges are all capable with their legs, but its not a few runs here and there that make PM and Wilson the pro bowl QB's they are, its because they are excellent at being a QB....... reading the game and dissecting D's through the air.
    Well then, lets just say I don't define a passing/mobile QB the way you do. The league is full of passing/running QBs who are making the game harder to defend, and possibly more exciting. I think this is going to be the way of the future, unless of course it reverts back like I mentioned in my first post.

    FTR....I am not saying that QBs are going run first, even though Jackson appears to be at times. But even he has proven to have a good arm, and has thrown a ton of TD passes. I am saying that this "style" of QB embraces the passing arm, the athleticism, and the ability to run. And yes, while seeing the field, thinking pass and run.

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  • bronx_2003
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    Originally posted by CanDB View Post
    So Bronxie….would you not agree with this statement:

    These 4 pro bowlers - Jackson, Wilson, Watson and Mahomes are all very capable passers and runners?
    Yep they are, and as I stated above QB's like Dalton, Mayfield, and Duck Hodges are all capable with their legs, but its not a few runs here and there that make PM and Wilson the pro bowl QB's they are, its because they are excellent at being a QB....... reading the game and dissecting D's through the air.

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