Tom Brady...

[RunYouOver]

I've always said he's been overrated, and while some people have agreed with me, many disagreed strongly.

I just think he doesn't have amazing talent, what he's good at is playing well in pressure situations.
I'm not saying he doesn't have talent, he certainly does, I just think he's overrated.

I think the players around him make him and made him a better player.

Anyone agree?

[topscribe]

Maybe . . .

Well, I think you're half right. He has a lot of talent
and his supporting cast makes him better.

IMHO.

Good subject. Probably the wrong forum, though.

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[DiehardinAlaska]

agreed

I've never thought his skills were on par with the best in the game - but then again they didn't have to be!

I like to watch for those little moments where you get to see what a guy is made of.

For instance we all knew what Griese was made of on that play against Miami where the blitz was about to find him and he threw the ball backwards over his head like a schoolgirl. I'm sure its called something else now but back in the day at Mracheck Middle School (I think that's how its spelled) we played a game called smear the queer - and Griese looked like the kid who should have never touched the ball on that play!

Well remember when the Pats came to town and I think it was their first superbowl year? They were beating us and Brady talked a little smack in the endzone and Al Wilson popped him just a little with his shoulder. It was beautiful. The D hung together and Brady couldn't believe someone actually touched him and he started blowin' it. Loved that game. The problem is ya gotta hit him. Then he's just like everyone else, in fact he may not be quite as good as everybody else.

[Almost Heaven]

You can tell he loves the game. Maybe not quite as gifted as some QB's in the leauge but he has the mental part of the game down and thats what counts in crunch time.

The part about his supporting cast i don't reall see. Yeah Dillion was there this year but they won two other SB's without a stud rb and really there wr's weren't exactly big names. Just a bunch of guys that all play together and have fun and worry more about gettin super bowl rings and less about money. I really respect them for that reason.

[Bigplayshay84]

I've always said he's been overrated, and while some people have agreed with me, many disagreed strongly.

I just think he doesn't have amazing talent, what he's good at is playing well in pressure situations.
I'm not saying he doesn't have talent, he certainly does, I just think he's overrated.

I think the players around him make him and made him a better player.

Anyone agree?

Tom Brady Has 3 Superbowl rings, how many does peyton manning have?, John Elway? Brett Favre? Heres a good one, Jake Plummer?

Tom Brady is obviously the best QB in the game right now, and he does it with mediocre WR's.....Look at Manning, he has 3 studs and one of the NFL's best WR's in Marvin Harrison.....for some reason the patriots are always in it at the end, and the colts are either blowing someone out or getting dominated....

Tom Brady for President.....just kidding lol

[topscribe]

Say what?

Tom Brady Has 3 Superbowl rings, how many does peyton manning have?, John Elway? Brett Favre? Heres a good one, Jake Plummer?

Tom Brady is obviously the best QB in the game right now, and he does it with mediocre WR's.....Look at Manning, he has 3 studs and one of the NFL's best WR's in Marvin Harrison.....for some reason the patriots are always in it at the end, and the colts are either blowing someone out or getting dominated....

Tom Brady for President.....just kidding lol

Super Bowl rings are team achievements.
Wimbleton tennis championships are individual achievements.

Marino has no Super Bowl rings. I would never start Brady over him.
And you bring up Elway? Elway could throw Brady and the ball
further than Brady could throw the ball alone.

Brett Favre?

Bad, bad, bad, bad comparisons.

Nice try, though.



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[Ravage!!!]

I don't know. I think if you say that Tom Brady is over-rated due to his talent... then I think you would/have to say the same thing about Joe Montana. He certainly didn't have the skills and physical gifts that Elway, Favre, or Marino had...but he has four rings and is considered the best to ever play the game.

How many records does montana hold? Exactly. Give Brady the credit he deserves. Sometimes physical gifts are not the necessary tools to be a GREAT QB in the NFL. Making the intelligent choice, the right read.. making the passes accuratly at the right time.. putting the ball in the right place... thats what it takes. Brady has shown ALL the skills to be listed as one of the best. Is he the MOST gifted? No.

As Topscribe pointed out. SB wins are team achievments.

[topscribe]

I don't know. I think if you say that Tom Brady is over-rated due to his talent... then I think you would/have to say the same thing about Joe Montana. He certainly didn't have the skills and physical gifts that Elway, Favre, or Marino had...but he has four rings and is considered the best to ever play the game.

How many records does montana hold? Exactly. Give Brady the credit he deserves. Sometimes physical gifts are not the necessary tools to be a GREAT QB in the NFL. Making the intelligent choice, the right read.. making the passes accuratly at the right time.. putting the ball in the right place... thats what it takes. Brady has shown ALL the skills to be listed as one of the best. Is he the MOST gifted? No.

As Topscribe pointed out. SB wins are team achievments.

Of course, Montana is considered by some as the greatest.

But Brady is gifted, to be sure. If not, he would been a one-hit wonder, ala Jay Schroeder. I have mentally compared him to Bart Starr more than once.

My problem was with someone implying that Elway, Favre, or Manning could not shine Brady's shoes. He is a very good quarterback who makes good decisions and puts the ball where he means to put it. He may be the best system quarterback since . . . well . . . . Bart Starr? (Unless you consider Montana a system QB.) At least, one of them.

IMHO.

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[broncos_mtnman]

Super Bowl rings are team achievements.
Wimbleton tennis championships are individual achievements.

Marino has no Super Bowl rings. I would never start Brady over him.
And you bring up Elway? Elway could throw Brady and the ball
further than Brady could throw the ball alone.

Brett Favre?

Bad, bad, bad, bad comparisons.

Nice try, though.



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It's funny how the ST Jake club throws out how the team has gone to the playoffs both seasons he has been here and how the team is 19-8 when St Jake starts. Yet, when a player like Brady is brought up, it's all the sudden a team game.

Well, DUH!!

In baseball, pitchers get credit for wins, losses, no hitters, etc, even though it may have been a great catch by a player on the field that made it possible. In football, the same thing applies, QBs get credit for wins and losses, even though he isn't the only player on the field.

I'm not saying that wins and losses aren't over rated, because I think they are, but if you are going to give St. Jake the credit for the TEAM record, you can't deny Brady the same thing.

He has three rings in three trips to the big game. That can't be disputed under any circumstances.

Dispite your opinion, I think they were great comparisons.

[Amigo_Bronco]

It's funny how the ST Jake club throws out how the team has gone to the playoffs both seasons he has been here and how the team is 19-8 when St Jake starts. Yet, when a player like Brady is brought up, it's all the sudden a team game.

Well, DUH!!

In baseball, pitchers get credit for wins, losses, no hitters, etc, even though it may have been a great catch by a player on the field that made it possible. In football, the same thing applies, QBs get credit for wins and losses, even though he isn't the only player on the field.

I'm not saying that wins and losses aren't over rated, because I think they are, but if you are going to give St. Jake the credit for the TEAM record, you can't deny Brady the same thing.

He has three rings in three trips to the big game. That can't be disputed under any circumstances.

Dispite your opinion, I think they were great comparisons.

First, how did Jake Plummer show up in this thread?

Second, why any time that somebody writes about a player, the first thing people do is comparing him to someone else? I understand this when the topic is about "who is better"; but in threads like this, is not fair for the players involved in the comparison.

Now, about Brady:

- He's durable. I think that he has missed only one or two games since he is the starter.

- He seems to have ice in his veins.

- Whether is the system or his own ability, it's hard to imagine another player that takes advange of the system as he does.

Now, going to the unavoidable comparison: does this make him better than Manning/Vick/Plummer/Montana/Young/Elway/Marino ... (put your favorite QB here)? I don't know, that would be a topic for another thread.

[topscribe]

First, how did Jake Plummer show up in this thread? . . . Second, why any time that somebody writes about a player, the first thing people do is comparing him to someone else? I understand this when the topic is about "who is better"; but in threads like this, is not fair for the players involved in the comparison.

What else do you expect when mtnman is here?
Jake is just an obsession to some of these people.



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[LoyalSoldier]

He isn't a bad QB, but yea I do think he is slightly over-rated. He runs an efficient offense, but frankly without the defense he has I doubt he would be with some of those rings.

Considering he hasn't won a superbowl by more than 3 points I wouldn't be putting him up there with the best of all time, but he is still a good player to have in a game.

[_BrusT_]

Tom Brady is one of the best. His 3 Superbowlrings prove that, but I wouldn't say he is better than Peyton Manning. His last year QB Rating average was just too outstanding.

[NJBRONCOSFAN]

To me, 'over-rated' is a term that I would use to describe players who get the job done against sub-par competition, and then come in 2nd place in the games that matter the most.

Clearly then, you see that I don't see Tom Brady as overrated.

Some have mentioned he doesn't have the skills that some others have, but he does to an extent..sure he doesn't have the arm strength, but in a few categories, he's as good as anyone!
He's very accurate.
He's got a great vision for the whole football field.
I think it could be argued that he has the best pocket presence of any qb in the league..always steps up and makes the important throw.

[PATRIOTSRULE]

As of now I believe Brady isn't as good as Montana, but I definately think he is better than Marino. (topscribe you felt different) For instance I feel "performing under pressure" is a huge barmometer to measure a quarterback by. And I'm not talking about a division championship game, I'm talking the BIG game like the Super Bowl. Sure, the other playoff games are pressure, but the SB is different. ITS ALL ON THE LINE, ONE DAY, ONE GAME. Thats a pressure cooker! So, if you compare how Brady did against Marino in a SB, you can see WHY I feel Brady is better. We SAW over and over what Brady did in the big games. He PROVED what he was made of, and he proved it 3 times. I remember this year Bradshaw did his top picks of Quarterbacks and he rated Brady as Number 1 ! Over, Manning!!! And the main reason he gave was SB Rings. Now, when I look at Manning I think he is like a MACHINE out there, he is fantastic! But, that brings me back to my criteria, HOW would Manning do in a SB game??????? Would he CHOKE, under the pressure? Can he only get it done in Non SB atmosphere? Well, that is my perspective on the matter.