CU football scandel (merged with "Gary Barnett" thread)

[rascal]

I'm just curious as to what people think about the CU football scandel reguarding sex parties. Personally, if it is true about the sex parties (which included numerous alleged rap victims) and the university did nothing and knew about it, their asses should be kicked to the curb (barnett and others) and the football program should be dealt with harshly. This is embarrassing.

[orangenblue420]

Its truly pathetic if what is being said is true, Im not a Colorado college fan but still, thats just totally wrong.

Whats ironic is that everyone talks about how colleges and college players are in it for the love of the game and once they get to the NFL they become spolied and selfish, etc. etc. but I have made the point, several times, that it goes all the way down to the HS level when it comes to this BS and this just proves it.

Something is really, really wrong with our society if we feel getting a good player to our school is more important than human lives (if the rape allegations are true).

[ozzy_osbourne]

Gary Barnett & CU

How insensitve can you be??? yeah we know she is a girl and a kicker but she claims RAPE and all you do is demean her??? he should be let go for that remark alone...

[rascal]

Re: Gary Barnett & CU

Originally posted by ozzy_osbourne
How insensitve can you be??? yeah we know she is a girl and a kicker but she claims RAPE and all you do is demean her??? he should be let go for that remark alone...

If he is kept and CU doesn't do anything I am no longer a fan, hell I'm on the border already. I know for sure that any relatives of mine won't be attending if I have anything to do with it.

[rascal]

As one of the 5% who did play college football and get a degree I have some room to talk on this subject. I found nothing wrong with your statement and I in fact agree with it. Most of my fellow teammates, even though this was at a DII school, were there for football only and would do anything they could to keep that honor. If that meant breaking school rules or public rules so beat it. As a player who was at school primarily for an education it was embarrassing and often difficult to put up with. Not to say that I often didn't take advantage of my "fame" as a football player I could only put up with so much of the crap that was going on before I found it utterly disgusting. While it is obvious that players find it easier to have sex, the allegations that are occuring at CU themselves are damning. In my not so humble opinion on this matter, any man who rapes a women should have his balls cut off and cooked infront of him and forced to eat them. Not sure what the point of this response is, it that isn't obvious by my rambling, I just like I should respond as I have a background that is related to this topic.

[rcsodak]

I think the media is missing football too.
Hey, listen. If CP can be "misquoted", I'm sure Barney can also. I say lets give barney another chance. Maybe he'll recant also.

[Return of Lava]

i dont see the big deal with barnett saying the girl couldnt kick, maybe she just couldn't. I dont think it was sexist cause she was allowed to be on the team right? if she wasnt on the team, a lot of other people would have been like "he is so sexist he wouldn't let her on the team cause she is a girl" I believe the girl should have came out a long time ago when she was actually raped, instead if waiting 5 years later or so. not saying she is lying, but after waiting 5 years, why all of a sudden step up?

[Return of Lava]

Re: Re: Re: Gary Barnett & CU

Originally posted by TXBRONC
What will you do to them rascal? Since you're an ex Marine I might tend to listen to you a little closer. At anyrate, Barnett should have kept big mouth closed. If gets canned it would serve him right.

what did he do wrong, say she couldnt kick? whats wrong with that, he probably would have said the same had she been a guy.

[Fat Joe]

what in the bloody are you guys talking about?

[BlueDamsel]

I missed the news tonight, I was at the hospital seeing my new nephew be born.

From what I heard, most of her complaints had to do with being "harrassed" by having players throw footballs at her head, make sexist remarks & "expose themselves". All Barnett said was "Tell me who it was...That's all I need to know". They interviewed some of the other players & they said "if anything she was the one doing the exposing of herself" (this coming from one of the co-captains)

The whole thing has been way blown out of the water by the media. Hell, I'm not saying anything is right or wrong, but instead of making it a national thing, why not keep it within the system?

Of course, at the rate things are going, I might as well file a law suit against the University of New Mexico. I was almost raped when I was attending that school, back in 99-00. Luckily, I was smart enough to know how to use my self-defense & break the guy's arm & scamper off...But I'm sure that I could blame it all on the school (the guy was a student there too...I mean, sure we were off campus, but...hell, it works for all the girls). Then I can sue my former employer because it happened in front of my building...Oh and while I'm at it, why not turn around and sue CU for discrimination...I mean, geesh, I was a student there & I wasn't invited to any of these parties...They were discriminating & didn't give me an equal opportunity to be harrassed at a football party.

*rolls eyes*

[thehoot79]

This whole rape fiasco with CU is just fuggin' ridiculous. The media makes it seem like CU is the only school that these types of things happen at. Give me a friggin' break man. Unfortunately, women are groped and raped at colleges all over the United States not just CU. I love how these people come out to the media 4 years after something happens and claim how it's "haunted" their lives and that it's "affected" them forever. Christ, get a backbone OKAY!!! I've met women that have been raped and they've dealt with it in their minds and realized that it happened and nothing can change it. Rapists are just wastes of skin, it's part of life. Regardless, I have no sympathy for these women that make their rapes public years and years after the fact. All they want is media attention. I'm sorry, but get over it, you were raped 4 years ago, DEAL WITH IT!!! In no way do I condone rape, but when these people come out all these years after the fact and say that it still affects them I just want to vomit. OK, she wasn't beaten, she wasn't knocked up, how has it affected her? It's affected her mentally that's all; become a stronger person for god's sake. We've all had tragedy happen in our lives and had mishaps that have caused scars and pain, but this country seriously has an obsession with rape. There's something wrong when rapists spend more time in jail then murderers. And anybody who says rape is as bad as murder, ought to be beaten repeatedly with a wooden mallet. Anyways, I'm done ranting. Again, just my opinion.

[thehoot79]

Alright, JD, what's narrow minded about my post? I speak my mind and tell it like it is. The truth hurts. If you truly believe that rapists don't get enough jail time then you better research your statistics. People who are prosecuted for murder and manslaughter constantly get more lenient sentences then they should. I read a story about a couple that was crashed into by a drunk driver and the husband was killed, but the wife was in a coma and the driver only got something like 10 years. Rapists are scumbags, don't get me wrong, but in my opinion this country seems to look at rape as a worse thing then murder and that's ludicrous. JD, maybe you should think outside the box, which is something most humans are incapable of doing. They just follow the crowd like sheep. I've seen several different cases in the news where a rapist gets more jail time then somebody who kills another human being. Nobody can deny here that our justice system needs tweaking. Anyways, to make this post somewhat about football, I don't believe that Gary Barnett is to blame. These things happen and unfortunately you can't do anything to stop it at such a big university.

[BlueDamsel]

Originally posted by thehoot79
I love how these people come out to the media 4 years after something happens and claim how it's "haunted" their lives and that it's "affected" them forever. Christ, get a backbone OKAY!!! I've met women that have been raped and they've dealt with it in their minds and realized that it happened and nothing can change it.
OK, she wasn't beaten, she wasn't knocked up, how has it affected her? It's affected her mentally that's all; become a stronger person for god's sake.
And anybody who says rape is as bad as murder, ought to be beaten repeatedly with a wooden mallet.

Wow, Okay, when I put up my sarcastic take on things, yes I was half serious. No I'm not going to go file a suit against NM, or anybody, but as a woman who was "almost" raped almost exactly 4 years ago, I'll have to say you're very wrong... First of all, I have to say I'm a very strong, independent woman. I have a backbone (as screwed up as it is with my medical problems) and yet I also have "memories" and have been diagnosed with PTSD. No, I didn't fight in a war, nor did I witness any murders or anything, it stems from both the attempted rape & the several awful car accidents I was in (awful in the sense of what they did to my body, not the sense of everything burning up/mutilated/etc).
I have been with my current significant other for over 2 years now. He will tell you that getting me to be intimate with him, especially around this time of year is like pulling teeth. While I moved on with my life & "got over" everything, there are certain things that send me into a relapse & whenever I close my eyes I see "him"...It does affect one's daily life. Imagine being afraid to trust someone because they share similarities with someone who completely busted your trust. Yes it was silly of these girls to wait this long to report what happened, but at the same time, I can understand it to a degree. I still have never reported the attempted rape to the authorities. Only a few very close friends, a doctor, the guy & myself know exactly what happened. Unfortunatly, the first person I told about it, when I came home from work that day, crumpled into a shell of the person I usually was, crying & shaking & not able to talk for a few hours tried to tell me "it didn't happen" and that I was "just making it up" and that if it did happen "I brought it on myself" for the clothes I wore and the friendlyness I showed to my coworkers (in other words, she called me a slut, which I was/am not...) She tried to turn it around & tell me that I should just get over it & stop trying to get attention. I took all of that to heart & did start to blame myself, even though I had no reason to take any blame at all. I told my boyfriend at the time what had happened (though left out many of the details, since he could only make out every third word I said between tears & sobs) and he told me I should just "drink myself out of my misery" and get on with life. I've hurt several people because of the pain that was inflicted onto my emotions--physically hurt my partner because he "got too close" or "touched me in the wrong spot" or just because of the cologne he was wearing that day or the way he had styled his hair. It's really not all about "well you didn't get knocked up or beat down, so there's nothing to 'haunt' you." I know I'm really rambly right now about this, but it really is a hard subject to speak on.

I admire those female friends of yours who claim to be "over" the rapes that they experienced. I can almost bet you that there are still times that they break down & have a shiver down their spine or start crying in their sleep. No I'm not saying all experiences are the same, but why should it be just "a way of life" for us women to have to deal with?

No, rape is not comparable to murder, it's comparable to theft, if you want to equate it to another crime and comparable to death, when it happens to you or someone very close to you. A person breaks into your soul & tries to steal something from you--more than just sexual "pleasures"--he takes your soul, your will to go on, and kills off a part of you. Obviously, you've luckily not had to experience a sister, daughter or girlfriend/wife/lover (or even yourself) having to go through something similar, or you'd know what I'm talking about. When something like this happens, you go through the grieving steps similar to someone dieing...You never quite fully recover from it, and YES it does haunt you.

Guess I should be hit over the head repeatedly with a mallet, but whomever does the hitting will have to take breaks while I use a cheese grater on the jerkwad's testicles who ruined my life...

[BlueDamsel]

Originally posted by thehoot79
I read a story about a couple that was crashed into by a drunk driver and the husband was killed, but the wife was in a coma and the driver only got something like 10 years. .

Uhh that would be vehicular manslaughter...
And so you're saying that someone who gets behind a wheel drunk is worse than someone who rapes another human being? That's a whole nother debate...

[BigL1710]

THIS IS AN EDITORIAL FORM COLLEGEFOOTBALLNEWS.COM




If Rick Neuheisel can get fired for not being forthcoming about playing in a legal basketball pool and Mike Price can get canned for checking out a strip club, then Colorado head coach Gary Barnett has to be fired immediately for making a disgraceful situation even worse.

I've never been the biggest fan of Barnett with the way he conducted himself at the end of his Northwestern reign and with how he handled the current scandal when it first started, but I did cut him some slack under the belief that players, and that includes recruits, need to be responsible enough to know the difference between right and wrong.

It doesn't matter if there's an environment of lawlessness around a college football program; right is right and wrong is wrong and despite claims of immaturity, entitlement and other enabling excuses, the alleged parties should’ve known what was and wasn't criminal behavior. If the rape and sexual misconduct allegations are true, then those players and recruits are criminals. Period.

If it ended there, then it might have been excusable for Barnett to get a chance to change things around. Colorado initially did the right thing by keeping Barnett on double secret probation until all due investigating was complete, but now the situation has gotten too far out of hand for there not to be a coaching change.

Coaches can’t know everything at all times, but the current problems in Boulder are going beyond a bit of mere ignorance as Barnett has crossed the line from having issues with his players to being part of the problem himself. As bad as things were, they’ve gotten worse after Barnett fanned the flames and ruined all credibility to his claims of sensitivity to the program's issues.

Whether or not you believe that Barnett never knew of any impropriety among his players when it came to former CU kicker Katie Hnida during her time in Boulder, there’s no denying that he completely blew it with his disparaging comments about her in such a sensitive time.

"It was obvious Katie was not very good. She was awful," Barnett said. "Katie was not only a girl, she was terrible. OK? There's no other way to say it."

Fine. She could’ve been the worst kicker in the history of college football, but that has nothing to do with whether or not she was sexually harassed and raped by Barnett’s players. That he had the insensitivity to say anything negative about Hnida right now shows how he just doesn’t get it, and would lead to the conclusion that it was possible for a dangerous environment to fester under his tenure whether he knew it or not.

If he didn’t know that things were bad before the situation blew up, he should be fired for not having any control over his players and for his rules and discipline being totally ignored. If he did have some knowledge of the problems with Colorado football and did next to nothing about it, then he should be fired. Either way, his era must come to an end.

This whole nightmare has done almost irreparable damage to the image of the Colorado football program and the school, but it can be changed. School president Becky Hoffman would be totally right in starting anew and totally revamping the Colorado coaching staff. This can be fixed with time and an overall program change.

But how? Bill McCartney was a religious family man and a leader of the Promise Keepers, yet the program was a renegade outfit towards the end of his tenure. Neuheisel appeared to be a rising star, but he left Colorado with numerous NCAA violations. Barnett was supposed to be a disciplinarian, but that obviously didn't work. Is Colorado football unsalvageable? No, but the next coaching hire has to be perfect with record coming second to an ability to keep things clean.

The University of Colorado has to do something right now to try stop the bleeding. It has to show the world that it’s serious about change, and has to start fresh. Wins and losses on the football field are meaningless with the honor of a big-time academic institution at stake.