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  • #16
    Originally posted by jdslick
    Pretty narrow minded stuff here. Maybe you should think before you post something.

    I sure hope you never have to experience something as heinous as a rape.

    I do believe that murders often receive a life sentence for murder and sometimes the death penalty. Forty to sixty year sentences are common for murder. I think that most prosecutors around the country would say that convicted rapists get too little time for their crime.
    This has to be your best post thus far.
    Rivers, Suck it long suck it hard.

    You too Cutler.

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    • #17
      Re: Re: Re: Re: Gary Barnett & CU

      Originally posted by Return of Lava
      what did he do wrong, say she couldnt kick? whats wrong with that, he probably would have said the same had she been a guy.

      where did you get that quote lava?
      Rivers, Suck it long suck it hard.

      You too Cutler.

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      • #18
        Hoot79-

        Have a person that you are close to,say a wife or a friend, get raped and then come post until then keep your idiotic comments to yourself. If someone you are close to has been raped or been the victim of an attempted rape, then you would sing a different tune.
        Patriotic dissent is a luxury of those protected by better men than they.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by BigL1710
          THIS IS AN EDITORIAL FORM COLLEGEFOOTBALLNEWS.COM
          This whole nightmare has done almost irreparable damage to the image of the Colorado football program and the school, but it can be changed. School president Becky Hoffman would be totally right in starting anew and totally revamping the Colorado coaching staff. This can be fixed with time and an overall program change.

          .
          They needed to do a bit more research...
          The president's name is Elizabeth aka "Betsy" Hoffman, not Becky...And if they're going to use Barnett as a scape goat, then she needs to go too. All she's done is try to screw up things that the student body has formed into tradition over the years.

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          • #20
            Re: Re: Re: Re: Gary Barnett & CU

            Originally posted by Return of Lava
            what did he do wrong, say she couldnt kick? whats wrong with that, he probably would have said the same had she been a guy.
            its not what he said was wrong as u say she prolly was terrible but its when he said it....his program is the middle of a huge scandal this lady is filing a lawsuit bout being raped....n he comes out n says she was terrible she couldnt kick it through the uprights she wasnt respected by her team mates....dont u see how inapprioate n incenstive that sounds at this time n point of the scandal.....he'll prolly b fired bcuzz he let his mouth overload his A**....

            BTW these stripper, escort recruiting parties happen all over ALOT of college campuses ive seen a few......

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            • #21
              Originally posted by jdslick
              Pretty narrow minded stuff here. Maybe you should think before you post something.

              I sure hope you never have to experience something as heinous as a rape.

              I do believe that murders often receive a life sentence for murder and sometimes the death penalty. Forty to sixty year sentences are common for murder. I think that most prosecutors around the country would say that convicted rapists get too little time for their crime.

              I have not agreed with you on much JD, but this definitely I agree on.

              Barnett has to take the blame for repeated offenses within his program. Just like when a college team wins a championship you praise the head coach, now when there have been criminal allegations charged you must blame the head coach.

              Is Barnett a scapegoat? I don't think so. He did a very illogical thing when he said what he said about Katie. When your under fire you need to be careful of your comments. That would be like a boss of major company being investigated for sexual misconduct within is group and the person that is doing the accusing saying, "Well she was not a very good secretary anyway." What a rediculous statement. Just as rediculous and the statement Barnett made.

              Now new allegations are coming out about a lady of the staff and Barnett telling her he would "stand by his player" if she took legal action about her rape.

              At first this seemed like a witch hunt but now it seems like there is too much evidence coming out.

              The Head Coach must take the blame just like a Boss of a major corporation would have to take the blame. As the old saying goes "the buck stops here".

              With exalted authority you also have great responsiblity, and when you abuse the authority then you have consequences to pay.

              Gary Barnett is now paying those consequences.


              Rape is probably just as much henious crime as murder. It takes years to get over Rape and in my experience before working with computers as a youth counsellor, let me tell you the people that go through something like this are devistated and it is hard to put your life back together again. I have two daughters and I would never want them to go through an experience like that. I would not wish it on my worst enemy.
              Go Broncos!!! - Hosea 10:12

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              • #22
                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Gary Barnett & CU

                Originally posted by bronco30
                its not what he said was wrong as u say she prolly was terrible but its when he said it....his program is the middle of a huge scandal this lady is filing a lawsuit bout being raped....n he comes out n says she was terrible she couldnt kick it through the uprights she wasnt respected by her team mates....dont u see how inapprioate n incenstive that sounds at this time n point of the scandal.....he'll prolly b fired bcuzz he let his mouth overload his A**....

                BTW these stripper, escort recruiting parties happen all over ALOT of college campuses ive seen a few......
                ok i see now, although i would first want to see the whole conversation cause i understand how barnett could be upset his reputation is on the line and then this girl comes out of nowhere and makes it worse. a reporter probably asked him a question pertaining to katie saying she was mistreated the whole time as a player or her skills as a player and if she was treated like a player or just a woman, and then barnett snapped on her, but yeah i think he should have picked his words better or kept his mouth shut. I think its bull about the recruiting parties cause CU was only voted like 9th most partiest university so what about the other 8 who have more wild parties for recruits?
                dont let him pull dat move on ya, dont let him pull that move.......................oh no dats da move! TOUCHDOWN!!!

                I tried to warn ya.

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                • #23
                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Gary Barnett & CU

                  Originally posted by Return of Lava
                  ok i see now, although i would first want to see the whole conversation cause i understand how barnett could be upset his reputation is on the line and then this girl comes out of nowhere and makes it worse. a reporter probably asked him a question pertaining to katie saying she was mistreated the whole time as a player or her skills as a player and if she was treated like a player or just a woman, and then barnett snapped on her, but yeah i think he should have picked his words better or kept his mouth shut. I think its bull about the recruiting parties cause CU was only voted like 9th most partiest university so what about the other 8 who have more wild parties for recruits?
                  That is only part of the problem, one of his "former players" is accused and a report was filed and he comes out and says that he will support his player no matter what... so then if the palyer is found to be guilty then he is supporting the actions that the player took???
                  Ozzy


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                  • #24
                    What he should have done is kept his mouth closed, and if the event is proven true then condemn the action and take the necessary disciplinary action. Since Barnett couldn't do that he should be canned.
                    John 11: 25-27

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                    • #25
                      He should be criminally charged and sent to jail, if he knew, which we all know he did, he was an accessory, plain and simple, and any of the kids that get convicted should have to pay for the schooling they received, on top of any criminal penalties, and give back their degrees, if they received them.....

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by jdslick
                        First, more than 5% of the college players receive a degree.

                        Getting back to the CU thing. Barnett has let his program get out of control. Nobody can tell me that he didn't know about any of this until now. If he claims he didn't know, he's a liar.

                        He wanted a winning program so badly, that he simply turned a blind eye to anything which would disrupt his chances.

                        He should either step down or be fired by the end of the week.
                        If you had read bcollins post and then mine you would realize what I was talking about. Bcollin said 95% of college players were not there for an education, I was saying I was one of the 5% who was there to play and get an education.

                        Upon further review I see that bcollin changed it, or I misread it, and it currently says 90% either way, it should have been apparent as to what I was referring to.
                        Rivers, Suck it long suck it hard.

                        You too Cutler.

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                        • #27
                          Why are we blaming the coach so suddenly? He didnt do the rape or he didnt hire the strippers at the party (well maybe but its not proven yet). I think the responsibility should be first placed on the students themselves, and that barnett or the authorities should take action on the students. If Katie would have told the coach, maybe he would have done something, instead she holds it in all this time and finally comes out with it, how is the coach supposed to know what happened to her 5 years ago when she didnt report it WHEN IT HAPPENED? I think people are jumping ont he coach to quickly, he may be the head coach who is responsible for his players, but the students are even MORE responsible for themselves dont you think?
                          dont let him pull dat move on ya, dont let him pull that move.......................oh no dats da move! TOUCHDOWN!!!

                          I tried to warn ya.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Return of Lava
                            Why are we blaming the coach so suddenly? He didnt do the rape or he didnt hire the strippers at the party (well maybe but its not proven yet). I think the responsibility should be first placed on the students themselves, and that barnett or the authorities should take action on the students. If Katie would have told the coach, maybe he would have done something, instead she holds it in all this time and finally comes out with it, how is the coach supposed to know what happened to her 5 years ago when she didnt report it WHEN IT HAPPENED? I think people are jumping ont he coach to quickly, he may be the head coach who is responsible for his players, but the students are even MORE responsible for themselves dont you think?
                            Can I get an A-MEN!

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                            • #29
                              what

                              Originally posted by Return of Lava
                              i dont see the big deal with barnett saying the girl couldnt kick, maybe she just couldn't. I dont think it was sexist cause she was allowed to be on the team right? if she wasnt on the team, a lot of other people would have been like "he is so sexist he wouldn't let her on the team cause she is a girl" I believe the girl should have came out a long time ago when she was actually raped, instead if waiting 5 years later or so. not saying she is lying, but after waiting 5 years, why all of a sudden step up?

                              lava what does her ability to play have anything to do were her being raped? so does that mean that the 3rd and fouth stingers on the team get abused too? all this stuff is going on and he doesn't know anything? the insensentivity about the comment is that he made the excuse of her being a female and her being a awful kicker being as a reason why her fellow teammates didn't respect her and thus why maybe just maybe their might have been a incident. if that's the case then he needs to be tossed.
                              if she was that awful why keep her on the team? if he was trying to so call protect her then he shoud have kept someone around her just to be safe since she was the first woman on a college football team.
                              Last edited by bklynbronco; 02-20-2004, 03:49 AM.
                              Bronco fan 33 years and counting, GO BRONCOS!

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                              • #30
                                are you kidding me?

                                Originally posted by Return of Lava
                                Why are we blaming the coach so suddenly? He didnt do the rape or he didnt hire the strippers at the party (well maybe but its not proven yet). I think the responsibility should be first placed on the students themselves, and that barnett or the authorities should take action on the students. If Katie would have told the coach, maybe he would have done something, instead she holds it in all this time and finally comes out with it, how is the coach supposed to know what happened to her 5 years ago when she didnt report it WHEN IT HAPPENED? I think people are jumping ont he coach to quickly, he may be the head coach who is responsible for his players, but the students are even MORE responsible for themselves dont you think?

                                tell the coach? look how he reacted right now. this is not the first time he made the same sort of comments about katie. he didn't want her on the team from the start and he already admits then he was just trying to be nice by keeping her around. do you think he would done much if she would have just come up and said a fellow team mate just raped me? are you being realistic? he brings up her ability to play during a rape charge does that mean that if you suck at your job you deserve to get abused? their are seven alleged rape charges against his team and that's including katie's charge. do you thing it's just coincidental? hiring hookers to recruit high school players and now these rape charges and him or his staff didn't know anything? cmon who are you fooling. you don't think that sort of stuff doesn't get back to the coach? one incident or two incident maybe but all those accounts and he had no clue? when your a coach of a college athletic team your also a teacher what were these kids learning from his actions or non actions? if he didn't know these things weren't going on then he should be known as Mr. Magoo cause this is too much stuff for him not to know. if he did know but failed to react then he's just as accountable for the problems going on there.
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