CU football scandel (merged with "Gary Barnett" thread)

[Return of Lava]

While all these opinions are good ones, its obvious what the deal is. c'mon guys these college kids are 18+ years of age, dont you think they should start being responsible now? If not now then when? if not them then who? the parents? I go to college too, and some college freshmen are parents themselves, who fault is THAT?. I think everybody in college is responsible for they damn sevles. Nobody should follow them around to make sure they dont do bad things, that's crazy! Are you gonna assign 1 teacher to every student? Those students are out in the real world as far as noyt being told what to do no more, they are grown people now. it was that grown person who forced himself into Katie while his parents were 500 miles away taking a bubble bath. While it may be true that the parent didnt have the "talk" with their kid, the kids know that junk is wrong. Matter of fact, why are we using the word kid anyway, they are 1 or 2 or 3 years away from being a full-pledged adult. Kid is for middle schoolers and lower. The coach might be blamed but he shouldnt be, he is less responsible than the parent is, how many times have you seen a coach raise a person from 19 to adulthood? Its rare. Instilling right and wrong should come at ages 3-10 or whatever. not college freshman to college graduate. If a player is wild when he gets to college, he might act right when around coach, but being with coach is a part time thing in college. that leaves a lot of time to mess up and there is nothing the coach can do about it, its not a coach fault. Now after saying that, I learned a few new things about what barnett said. i didnt know he said he was gonna stand behind his player 100% no matter what, i think that was the wrong thing to say. At the same time i understand why he said it, wouldnt you support your player until proven guilty? If you assume the player did it and later find he was innocent, there is no way to get back the bond from that player cause you were so quick to blame him off a 5 year old accusation. I think Barnett has no real reason to be fired yet. Again, if we find out that Katie DID go up to Barett and TOLD him she was raped/abused and he did nothing but turn his back, then i say he should definitely be gone, so if any of you actually KNOW(not think, but know) of that happening, let me know, but dont assume he did that cause its not fair to the guy.

[Jared]

Just letting everyone know I am merging this with the "Gary Barnett" thread, since it seems that it is covering pretty much the same ground.

[broncos_chick]

Originally posted by bcollin1
Unfortunately for you, there are some of us who can recognize that your word isn't really even worth raw iron ore.

Good ol' Galena D. Oilslick ... oops, that's lead ore. Maybe I was thinking of pig iron?

[broncos_chick]

Splurt and splutter all you want, Oilslick. It won't do you a bit of good, nor will it increase your importance, validity or believability.

[broncos_chick]

Thanks, bc. Much appreciated.

It's always amusing to see people like Galena-for-Brains rant and rave and practically pinch a loaf trying to think of a suitable slam. Poor sloth apparently doesn't even remember that I've had him on Ignore for weeks.

[Jared]

How about an actual post on the topic?

[Jared]

Originally posted by Jared
How about an actual post on the topic?

My impression of a broken record:

How about an actual post on the topic?

[orangenblue420]

Originally posted by thehoot79
This whole rape fiasco with CU is just fuggin' ridiculous. The media makes it seem like CU is the only school that these types of things happen at. Give me a friggin' break man. Unfortunately, women are groped and raped at colleges all over the United States not just CU. I love how these people come out to the media 4 years after something happens and claim how it's "haunted" their lives and that it's "affected" them forever. Christ, get a backbone OKAY!!! I've met women that have been raped and they've dealt with it in their minds and realized that it happened and nothing can change it. Rapists are just wastes of skin, it's part of life. Regardless, I have no sympathy for these women that make their rapes public years and years after the fact. All they want is media attention. I'm sorry, but get over it, you were raped 4 years ago, DEAL WITH IT!!! In no way do I condone rape, but when these people come out all these years after the fact and say that it still affects them I just want to vomit. OK, she wasn't beaten, she wasn't knocked up, how has it affected her? It's affected her mentally that's all; become a stronger person for god's sake. We've all had tragedy happen in our lives and had mishaps that have caused scars and pain, but this country seriously has an obsession with rape. There's something wrong when rapists spend more time in jail then murderers. And anybody who says rape is as bad as murder, ought to be beaten repeatedly with a wooden mallet. Anyways, I'm done ranting. Again, just my opinion.

WOW - WOW - WOW

How can you say some of those things and on top of all that you are making me agree with jd!cklicks response to you - i can only hate you double for that

First, are you a man? If so, keep your opinion on rape to yourself (i know i will catch some slack for that, but WTF do I care)

Second, have you ever been raped? If not, again, keep your opinion about how bad being raped is to yourself. I wont even comment on it, cause, thank god, it has not happened to me, therefore, I could NOT even begin to fathom how I would feel or how I would deal with it....

Rape not being as bad as murder......hmmm, how bout they both classify as truly heinous violent crimes and both should be punished to the utmost extent of the law, but oh wait, our jails are too overcrowded with non-violent drug offenders, so lets let some of those murderers and rapists out to make room for those damn pot heads, cause we all know how violent they are...

That is the real problem, not murderers who do less time than rapists, but any violent offender who does less time than a non-violent offender......

As far as this scandel goes, and this is partly to you lava, yes it happens in more than one college im sure, but that doesnt make it right -

As far as the chick coming out now, it only half of what she said about what she went through is true, i cant say as i blame her for keeping her mouth shut, as far as her sucking, well then why did they put her on the team to begin with???

Personally, I dont feel women should try to compete in men's sports - men are physically stonger, faster and more athletic (for the most part, there are some she men and he women, but thats neither here nor there, im speaking in general). And if they do try to compete and want to be on a mans team, you better develop a pretty thick skin, you cant expect to be a pioneer and have an easy go of it - thats just the way it works, cant take the heat get out the kitchen....

[Return of Lava]

Originally posted by Return of Lava
While all these opinions are good ones, its obvious what the deal is. c'mon guys these college kids are 18+ years of age, dont you think they should start being responsible now? If not now then when? if not them then who? the parents? I go to college too, and some college freshmen are parents themselves, who fault is THAT?. I think everybody in college is responsible for they damn sevles. Nobody should follow them around to make sure they dont do bad things, that's crazy! Are you gonna assign 1 teacher to every student? Those students are out in the real world as far as noyt being told what to do no more, they are grown people now. it was that grown person who forced himself into Katie while his parents were 500 miles away taking a bubble bath. While it may be true that the parent didnt have the "talk" with their kid, the kids know that junk is wrong. Matter of fact, why are we using the word kid anyway, they are 1 or 2 or 3 years away from being a full-pledged adult. Kid is for middle schoolers and lower. The coach might be blamed but he shouldnt be, he is less responsible than the parent is, how many times have you seen a coach raise a person from 19 to adulthood? Its rare. Instilling right and wrong should come at ages 3-10 or whatever. not college freshman to college graduate. If a player is wild when he gets to college, he might act right when around coach, but being with coach is a part time thing in college. that leaves a lot of time to mess up and there is nothing the coach can do about it, its not a coach fault. Now after saying that, I learned a few new things about what barnett said. i didnt know he said he was gonna stand behind his player 100% no matter what, i think that was the wrong thing to say. At the same time i understand why he said it, wouldnt you support your player until proven guilty? If you assume the player did it and later find he was innocent, there is no way to get back the bond from that player cause you were so quick to blame him off a 5 year old accusation. I think Barnett has no real reason to be fired yet. Again, if we find out that Katie DID go up to Barett and TOLD him she was raped/abused and he did nothing but turn his back, then i say he should definitely be gone, so if any of you actually KNOW(not think, but know) of that happening, let me know, but dont assume he did that cause its not fair to the guy.

[orangenblue420]

I see what you are saying Lava, BUT the coach is responsible for the behavior of his players while they are in the locker room, on the field and during the games.....and a lot of the accusations from the chick kicker occurred during those times, you cant honestly believe that he didnt see the way she was mistreated, please......and I would feel that way about anyone who was mistreated in the same way, whether it be a female, or a handicapped person, or a waterboy or towel boy, etc. there is no excuse for a coach to let his players behave in such a manner. The school is responsible for teaching those kids something and if he turned his back to their behavior, its no different than a parent doing the same, its unacceptable. I mean I could go on and on, but its already been done to death in this thread - the school, the coach and the players are all responsible in some way, shape or form, period!!!!!

[Return of Lava]

Originally posted by orangenblue420
I see what you are saying Lava, BUT the coach is responsible for the behavior of his players while they are in the locker room, on the field and during the games.....and a lot of the accusations from the chick kicker occurred during those times, you cant honestly believe that he didnt see the way she was mistreated, please......and I would feel that way about anyone who was mistreated in the same way, whether it be a female, or a handicapped person, or a waterboy or towel boy, etc. there is no excuse for a coach to let his players behave in such a manner. The school is responsible for teaching those kids something and if he turned his back to their behavior, its no different than a parent doing the same, its unacceptable. I mean I could go on and on, but its already been done to death in this thread - the school, the coach and the players are all responsible in some way, shape or form, period!!!!!

i thought the rape was at a party? i dont knw about the other accusations that are going on, all i know about is the rape. if that happened off fottball grounds, there is nothing the coach should know, its their personal life.

[orangenblue420]

Yes, BUT the fact that he, the coach, let them get away with mistreating her, may have led to her being raped - if he had nipped it in the bud, her mistreatment, from day one, it may not have gone that far - alot of them are still mentally immature, and they push and push to see how far they can go, hell we all do, even when we "mature", we tend to push the limits to see what we can get away with and when we get in trouble we stop. Had they gotten in trouble for mistreating her from the beginning, they may have never even have thought to take it that far....and again, this is assuming what she says is true....

[Jared]

Originally posted by bcollin1
I must have missed your analysis of my FIRST post on the topic.

I was too busy addressing the idiot remarks of the Niners fan who wouldn't know foundation if he were casted in one, but I don't recall seeing your reply as yet.

I have had some thoughts; they are posted in this thread.

But I don't recall posting that in regards to any of your posts. I meant it as more of a general post. I always quote anything I am directly responding to. Helps avoid confusion.

[Jared]

Originally posted by Return of Lava
i thought the rape was at a party? i dont knw about the other accusations that are going on, all i know about is the rape. if that happened off fottball grounds, there is nothing the coach should know, its their personal life.

Lava, this flies in the face of everything I have ever been taught about being a member of a team. If we do anything, ANYTHING, on or off the court (or field in this case), it can hurt the team by being a distraction. This is preached from high school on up. So how can a coach possibly just say, "When you are not on my time, I don't give a damn what you do." I doubt that was his recruiting pitch. If it was, then he talked to some VERY brave parents. If he DOES believe that, but pitches something else, then he has lied to these young men's parents. Either way, I can't possibly imagine coach thinking that is an acceptable policy, if for no other selfless reason, they don't want to lose their jobs.

[Jared]

Originally posted by bcollin1
See, Jared?



Uh, for a person in law, you don't seem familiar with the concept that rape is a genderless crime. I'm sure you were thinking that women are the only ones who can be victims, but there are guys out there who have been raped...both by women AND by men.

Aside from that...I wasn't actually going to give you FLACK, because your disclaimer shows you at least acknowledge that you've thought of it before you posted.



Two things:
1. You'd feel DAMN stupid if he had been, now wouldn't you? Watch what questions you ask if you're not prepared for all the answers, n'est ce pas?
2. No sooner do you say "I wont even comment on it..." than out comes:



That seems like a lot to say on a subject you weren't going to comment on.



That's not what he was saying, and you know it.
He's using the same argument Miami fans use when we remind them that they got 3 of their national championships by recruiting violations. They always say "Well every college does it, we just got caught."

I usually ask them if they realize they just stated that their college is the only one that's not clever enough to keep it hidden, even if it WERE pervasive in college football. None of them has yet to answer that question.



Okay...PLEASE tell me you're not naive enough to ask this question and be SERIOUS.

How does Shannon Faulkner become the first woman to be admitted at The Citadel, and then not make it through her first semester there?

CU is one of the most liberal colleges in the U.S. for a college of its size. It's the reincarnation of Berkley from the '60's, I kid you not.

If there is going to be ANY school that tries to level the playing field between men and women, it will be CU. The only problem is that they were trying to level it with a sand shovel when they really needed a road grader...which leads me to:



As I said in my supposedly "Mr. Science-starting-trouble" post, I agree with you.

Women don't belong on a men's college football team.
If this isn't an indicator, I don't know what is.

I am fairly certain that she was responding to 'thehoot79" in her post, not you.

Which I now see that you did see.

Soooo tired......must rest eyes......