Mvp

[Return of Lava]

Originally posted by HCbronco07
Im not confused. I do retract my statment tho. The oline should still be the MVP but the oline coach should be as well. yes there has been may new olinemen over the years but still have 4 different backs in the last 8 yrs being 1000+ yd rushers. who else has done that? not many. not only has it been just 4 backs but every year for the last 8 yrs they have had 1000+ yd rushers.

Oh and whe ARE NOT LOSING B/C PLUMMER IS OUT. it is b/c we do not have a QB. steve is a good QB. he was with carolina for five yrs. two of those yrs he took them to the playoffs. as a starter. then they just realesed him. i was happy when denver picked him up. he is one hell of a back-up. if you are to look at his stats over the last two yrs he has been with denver his record is what? 6 and 1. now i dont know but i think that is a pretty good record for a back up over a two yr span. so dont diss on the back-up. For the little stats about how plummer had us at 4-1 otherwise we are 1-3. well the other win was steve's and yes one loss was his as well but he did not play that entire game that they lost it is only a lose on his record b/c he started. so really steve is 6-0 on starts and finish's.

now try and tell me i dont know what im talking about and am confused.

OMG! This post makes you sound even more confused. How do you retract your staement, then say all the same things again? OK, let me see where i wanna start this. You say Beureline was good? Were you watching as he threw 6 INT in 2 games? Thats not good right? right. You say steve didnt finish the viking game, so he doesnt deserve the loss? That was just dumb thinking, Steve threw 3 INT and had no TD, while being sacked umteen times! Didnt even try to escape and make a play. We were losing bad with him right? right. As far as the 1000 yard rusher goes, that means nothing! A 1000 yard rusher only averages 75 yards a game right? right. Most Valuable PLAYER, cant go to a coach right? right.

Now what have you learned today?

[HCbronco07]

Originally posted by Return of Lava
and also, if the offensive line is the MVP why are we still losing games? Plummer is obviously the MVP cause without him we are 1-3 but with him we were 4-1 and in that 1 loss, he put us in prime position to win and still helped produced 460+ yards of offense.

Im not confused. I do retract my statment tho. The oline should still be the MVP but the oline coach should be as well. yes there has been may new olinemen over the years but still have 4 different backs in the last 8 yrs being 1000+ yd rushers. who else has done that? not many. not only has it been just 4 backs but every year for the last 8 yrs they have had 1000+ yd rushers.

Oh and whe ARE NOT LOSING B/C PLUMMER IS OUT. it is b/c we do not have a QB. steve is a good QB. he was with carolina for five yrs. two of those yrs he took them to the playoffs. as a starter. then they just realesed him. i was happy when denver picked him up. he is one hell of a back-up. if you are to look at his stats over the last two yrs he has been with denver his record is what? 6 and 1. now i dont know but i think that is a pretty good record for a back up over a two yr span. so dont diss on the back-up. For the little stats about how plummer had us at 4-1 otherwise we are 1-3. well the other win was steve's and yes one loss was his as well but he did not play that entire game that they lost it is only a lose on his record b/c he started. so really steve is 6-0 on starts and finish's.

now try and tell me i dont know what im talking about and am confused.

[Return of Lava]

and also, if the offensive line is the MVP why are we still losing games? Plummer is obviously the MVP cause without him we are 1-3 but with him we were 4-1 and in that 1 loss, he put us in prime position to win and still helped produced 460+ yards of offense.

[Return of Lava]

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Originally posted by horseface
He's not that confused Lava...Plummer has been key for the Broncos, but he's definitely not the only reason the Broncos are losing. Everyone is ripping on Kanell, but he played a good game last week...He was definitely not the reason for the loss.

he says the offensive line is the MVP because they allowed 4 1000 yards backs? thats 1-4 years ago, not even this year. the same o lineman arent even on the team since then. he also says plummer AND buereline are the reason we are losing? Everybody was glad to get stevie b out of there. Steve came in and instantly broke denver's streak of games w/out an INT that Plummer had when steve came and tossed 6 in 2 games????Last, Plummer IS the reason we been losing. With the exception of the monday night game, had plummer been in there, INT's would have dropped DRAMATICALLY! That means more points for us and less for the opponent.

He is very confused.

[Return of Lava]

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Originally posted by HCbronco07
I dont think that Jake is the MVP of the broncos. He cant be it is only his first year here and he has only played in what 4 or 5 games. i mean come on how can he be the MVP? The entire offensive line is the MVP of the broncos. There is no way that we could bring in four different runningbacks and all four as rookies run for 1000+ yards with out the offisive line. The reason we arnt winning the games like we should be is b/c plummer is down but it is also b/c Steve is down as well. we have a QB in there that before two weeks ago had not taken a snap in the NFL since 2000. not having a qb is what is killing the broncos right now. not not having plummer.

dont get me wrong i like plummer. he is a great fit with the broncos, and a hell of a lot better than greise but not having him is not the reason we are losing.

lol u are very confused

[HCbronco07]

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by broncos4ever
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Originally posted by Javalon
If you're talking about the most important players to their team, why not Jake Plummer? Look at what happened to the Broncos after he went down.

Jake has my vote for MVPf if we are keeping this to the Broncos. We have lost three games since he went down. Look at our record before he quit playing, we had lost one game and it was a close one. Since he went down we have lost three games using two quarterbacks. Sure we won one, but there is something that a MVP brings to the team.

We definitely need Jake back. Clinton is important, but we are not winning games, even with him healthy and running for 100 yards per game.

I dont think that Jake is the MVP of the broncos. He cant be it is only his first year here and he has only played in what 4 or 5 games. i mean come on how can he be the MVP? The entire offensive line is the MVP of the broncos. There is no way that we could bring in four different runningbacks and all four as rookies run for 1000+ yards with out the offisive line. The reason we arnt winning the games like we should be is b/c plummer is down but it is also b/c Steve is down as well. we have a QB in there that before two weeks ago had not taken a snap in the NFL since 2000. not having a qb is what is killing the broncos right now. not not having plummer.

dont get me wrong i like plummer. he is a great fit with the broncos, and a hell of a lot better than greise but not having him is not the reason we are losing.

[BroncoCy]

Originally posted by Return of Lava
underrated players never get MVP

Put Stephen Davis in this catagory to. The Panthers would not nearly be as good without him. What was Washington thinking letting him go?

[thesaint]

Originally posted by Perry1977
I do believe that the Quarterback that year for the Giants, when they beat the undefeated Broncos, was a young QB named Danny Kanell.

Actually, I think it was Kent Graham.

[Return of Lava]

Originally posted by BroncoCy
I got Torry Holt as my darkhorse to get it. I think he is still very underrated.

underrated players never get MVP

[BroncoCy]

Originally posted by invisogothworld
Torry Holt or Ahman Green

I got Torry Holt as my darkhorse to get it. I think he is still very underrated.

[Arab Bronco]

if i would pick one, i would say randy moss. maybe he's not getting as much media coverage as jamal lewis, but i think he's a better contributer to his team (that lateral play against us speaks for its self and his presence of mind) and he's actually quiet for a change.

[Perry1977]

Originally posted by Elway
Giants were good enough to get there two years later after they had Kerri Collins, not when Kent Graham was the starter and they were not favored in that game.

I do believe that the Quarterback that year for the Giants, when they beat the undefeated Broncos, was a young QB named Danny Kanell.

Hooo-wah!!

[broncos4ever]

Originally posted by tahuya man
I'd argue that the Giants then were much better than the Browns of today. The Browns are sorry. They have no chance against KC. None, nada, zip...mail in the score.

What about the Browns defense? They are pretty good.

The Giants that year were pitiful. 8-8

Cleveland this year is 3-5. They do have a tough schedule for the second half this year though, so who knows...

[Javalon]

Originally posted by tahuya man
I'd argue that the Giants then were much better than the Browns of today. The Browns are sorry. They have no chance against KC. None, nada, zip...mail in the score.

Heh. If the Chiefs have that same attitude that would be the exact recipe for an upset.

If the Chiefs keep their wits about them, they obviously should win.

[broncos4ever]

Originally posted by Elway
No the 1998 season when Denver was 13-0 going into NY.

That's exactly the year I was talking about. I should have said the winning superbowl years. But I did say in the other post, "Giants that was not supposed to beat Denver and handed Denver their first loss of the season in our Superbowl years." Key words "first loss". My point was we had a much better record and someone that we were supposed to beat, beat us. It can happen on any Sunday. Not saying it will, but it can.